I fully go with this. The debate on Zen and fast comes with caveats, in gaming stock clocks or anything that remains lightly or single threaded AMD can't keep up to the newer Intel stuff, however gaming is no longer traditional, gaming is slowly moving to 4K and gaming is becoming very Twitch/Stream centric and AMD seemed to have factored that into how they designed Zen, perhaps not taking intel on in showdown of clocks and ST performance but rather give enough of that with plenty of resources to focus on new generation stream gaming. The recent runs of streamed gaming shows AMD offering tremendous bang for buck and at 4K gaming almost everything is going to be GPU limited which for gaming is the better scenario. Further how fast AMD is should be assessed on equal clock speed, the common caveat is that Intels clocks are anywhere from 22 to 34% higher than AMD's and that is a massive factor. In heavy CPU renders AMD remains comfortable even after Coffee lake and its maddening high clocks Zen remains tremendous. Going on Steve Burkes Blender 4N run if calculating Watt seconds of work to complete, the Ryzen 7 1700 is 5% more efficient and 34% faster t han t he 8400 in doing the job despite running more resources. I reserve AMD recommendations for a certain types of users but its hard to be overlooking AMD like it was for far to long when there was no reason to own a AMD CPU.