AMD introduces Radeon RX 5600 XT for 279 USD

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"The AMD Radeon RX 5600 XT features a Navi10 graphics processor with 2304 unified cores. This model is equipped with 6GB GDDR6 memory across a 192-bit interface. The clocks are somewhat reduced compared to RX 5700 non-XT with a game clock around 1375 MHz and 1560 MHz in boost mode. We have been told that the clock speed should be around 1500 MHz in a typical gaming situation."

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-introduces-radeon-rx-5600-xt-for-279-usd
 

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It'll be $250 with 2 games and some XGP playtime about 2 months after launch.
 

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AMD at CES : wow great news !
Nothing we didn't already figured out and nothing about Navi 21 and RDNA 2.
Ha ha !
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Sale over 10 days ago.
Yes, that's why I said it was an example :). They happen frequently. EDIT: search and you'll see what I mean. They pop up once every several days. It's easy enough to wait for when there's no deal on a given day.
 
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Yes, that's why I said it was an example :). They happen frequently. EDIT: search and you'll see what I mean. They pop up once every several days. It's easy enough to wait for when there's no deal on a given day.
A tad bit different than constantly... But anyway the reason for me asking.

Are most of these you are seeing through Slickdeals? I am curious about the supply chain here and wondering if there are gray market GPUs being moved around. I do not believe there are enough points after the distributors here in NA for this to happen all the time.
 

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A tad bit different than constantly... But anyway the reason for me asking.

Are most of these you are seeing through Slickdeals? I am curious about the supply chain here and wondering if there are gray market GPUs being moved around. I do not believe there are enough points after the distributors here in NA for this to happen all the time.
it's mostly been the asrock reference and challanger cards going for under 300 but there's a reason for it and they are bad cards along with because newegg has an exclusive sales contract with asrock so all their products have a MIR which they just change from the standard 10 dollars to 20 dollars to make it cheaper.. the challanger has had nothing but issues since day one with tons of RMA's.
 

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I bought an Asus reference card for $289 with a free game. I've seen the XFX reference go for $279. I think the one AIB variant was around $300 recently (MSI Mech OC). Flashing to XT is painless and simple (all it really does is remove the artificial power limits AMD imposed on the 5700) and you get 97% of an XT for sub-$300 if you buy it right.

For reference, I bought mine at Newegg, but I've seen sub-$300 pricing at Amazon also.

Either way, I'd definitely wait on a deal for a 5700 or wait until the 5600s are in the low $200 range.
 

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On r/buildapcsales I occasionally see reference RX 5700s discounted. Dell apparently was selling a reference card for $279ish. Bestbuy was selling a XFX card for $300. Maybe you're confusing the 5700 and 5700XT.

I haven't seen an non-reference 5700 XT for less than $300 in recent memory. Of course I could have missed it.



But IMHO, $279 for a card that might beat out the 1660S or 1660ti models... I'm seeing 1660 Super cards on newegg right now in the $250ish range, and Ti cards in the $280ish+ range. 5600XT for $280 seems steep to me personally. But i'll wait to see how it performs.

I'm in the market for a new 1080p card to replace my 1060, and have been eagerly waiting for 5600 details ever since it leaked.
 

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Why have I seen MSRP prices being compared to retail in all of these 5500 and 5600 threads. If you can find 5700 retailing for less than MSRP, on sale, at some point you'll probably see those other models do the same.

If you look at the MSRP for these cards they look to be in line with their competition's MSRP.
 

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Looks like it will end up a nice competitor to the RTX2060
There might be an announcement soon pushing the RTX 2060 down to $300 to compete directly against the 5600XT.

Also did anyone notice that according to AMDs slides the 1660 Super is faster than the 1660 Ti? Or at least the 5600XTs perform better against the Ti than the Super?

15% and 5% better vs 1660 Super -

https://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2020/01/AMD-Radeon-RX-5600-XT-2.jpg

20% and 10% better vs 1660 Ti -

https://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2020/01/AMD-Radeon-RX-5600-XT-3.jpg
 

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There might be an announcement soon pushing the RTX 2060 down to $300 to compete directly against the 5600XT.

Also did anyone notice that according to AMDs slides the 1660 Super is faster than the 1660 Ti? Or at least the 5600XTs perform better against the Ti than the Super?

15% and 5% better vs 1660 Super -

https://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2020/01/AMD-Radeon-RX-5600-XT-2.jpg

20% and 10% better vs 1660 Ti -

https://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2020/01/AMD-Radeon-RX-5600-XT-3.jpg
my guess is because they're showing the 1660 super OC which is about 3-5% faster than the stock 1660ti.. but could also just be an easter egg subtle eff you to nvidia for cluttering and the mid range market with sku's(likely not but wish it was, lol)..
 

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I wondered about pricing on these too. The dell cards are legit, with warranties, Can be registered with visiontek for support- they’re basically just reference cards that Dell sells directly. (I even bought one of the 5700xt cards they had when it dropped to a good price, I had credit to spend. )

I know other 5700s don’t regularly get that low but there’s the MSRP and then there’s the actual street price, and imo $279 puts this in a really weird space.

I’m sure there will be price drops later on but as it is right now I’d have a hard time recommending the 5600xt when 5700s might be available for the same price, or close to it.
 

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I wondered about pricing on these too. The dell cards are legit, with warranties, Can be registered with visiontek for support- they’re basically just reference cards that Dell sells directly. (I even bought one of the 5700xt cards they had when it dropped to a good price, I had credit to spend. )

I know other 5700s don’t regularly get that low but there’s the MSRP and then there’s the actual street price, and imo $279 puts this in a really weird space.

I’m sure there will be price drops later on but as it is right now I’d have a hard time recommending the 5600xt when 5700s might be available for the same price, or close to it.
Does anyone know the actual street price of these cards.

I agree the 5700 at that price is a better deal, but wouldn't it be odd for AMD to set MSRP based on a temporary sale price?
 

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calling its MSRP 279 realistically gives it a range of about 249 to 329, based on what features, clocks, and bonuses vendors add or remove from the box. that fits in perfectly with the 5500 and 5700.
 

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AMD looks like they set a price to entice AIBs to build, make promotions, have variations but also competes good with the competition. Set the price too low and only AMD could make the cards which they don't seem to want to do, example: Vega VII (a card that AIBs would most likely lose money on if they had made custom versions). I do like how AMD is allowing the AIBs to define the product line and not directly competing against them, when you have a number of AIBs promoting your GPU keeping within a given set of standards - they will promote much better than a single supplier. Nvidia cool cards makes it also harder and more limiting for the AIBs to build Nvidia cards, not a problem when Nvidia is pretty much King but if their sells shrink it probably could.

Also that is two times AMD did not have a reference card for the 5000 series, looks like an experiment AMD is doing, no bad press directly dealing with cooling, look, noise . . . AIBs competing against themselves vice at AMD. See if this carries forward to a higher performing Navi or RNDA2 card. Maybe AMD will make exclusively their top card if it slaughters the competition only and professional cards.
 
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That price seems a tad high, considering the RX 5700 (non-XT) often falls into $280 territory.
Yeah, this generation it seems like AMD is introducing all their Graphics cards 50 bucks too high. Honestly... Almost their entire product stack is 50 bucks too high.

I know they're trying to make bank but I would be selling my stuff cheaper in order to grab greater market share from Intel... Then, once I had eaten 25% of the market from Intel, bump my prices a bit. I feel like they prematurely inflated their pricing and Intel can, at damn near any moment, cut their pricing to crush AMD... If they (Intel) had the stock levels they would likely have already done this.
 

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Yeah, this generation it seems like AMD is introducing all their Graphics cards 50 bucks too high. Honestly... Almost their entire product stack is 50 bucks too high.

I know they're trying to make bank but I would be selling my stuff cheaper in order to grab greater market share from Intel... Then, once I had eaten 25% of the market from Intel, bump my prices a bit. I feel like they prematurely inflated their pricing and Intel can, at damn near any moment, cut their pricing to crush AMD... If they (Intel) had the stock levels they would likely have already done this.
da hell are you on.. they already undercut the crap out of intel.. as far as their gpu's go they're pricing them to their competition and beating them at the same price point so where are they pricing them to high? if anything nvidia's the ones that screwed it all up releasing 5 sku's that are 3% faster than each other all within a 120 dollar price range. but it's ok nvidia did exactly what they wanted to do, confuse the crap out of consumers so they don't know what to buy.
 

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Yeah, this generation it seems like AMD is introducing all their Graphics cards 50 bucks too high. Honestly... Almost their entire product stack is 50 bucks too high.

I know they're trying to make bank but I would be selling my stuff cheaper in order to grab greater market share from Intel... Then, once I had eaten 25% of the market from Intel, bump my prices a bit. I feel like they prematurely inflated their pricing and Intel can, at damn near any moment, cut their pricing to crush AMD... If they (Intel) had the stock levels they would likely have already done this.
are you talking about cpus or gpus? because they arent really competing for gpu market share.
 
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da hell are you on.. they already undercut the crap out of intel.. as far as their gpu's go they're pricing them to their competition and beating them at the same price point so where are they pricing them to high? if anything nvidia's the ones that screwed it all up releasing 5 sku's that are 3% faster than each other all within a 120 dollar price range. but it's ok nvidia did exactly what they wanted to do, confuse the crap out of consumers so they don't know what to buy.
Not enough. They are barely stealing market share from Intel.

A good example of AMD pricing their cards too high is the 5700XT, they public-ally released it at one price point only to dial it back down after the Super Parts dropped. The would have totally charged their initial prices for the cards if they could have.

i don't think AMD has the market stability or the track record to be demanding higher and higher prices yet. Just my opinion.

As far as Nvidia is concerned... Confusing the shit out of the consumer aside... Somehow they are just beating the shit out of AMD in the GPU space, even with all their marketing nonsense and "Super" card releases. They hold the market share, they can do whatever the hell they want to. They are currently the "Intel" of the GPU sector. For AMD to steal market share they have to be better, a better value with no fuckery on pricing and maintain that underdog feel for their customers to gain traction (something they are going to lose very soon if their product stack keeps kicking out design wins and something that isn't gonna help them when Intel starts kicking their asses into the dirt in 2021-2022 with new designs)
 
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Not enough. They are barely stealing market share from Intel.

A good example of AMD pricing their cards too high is the 5700XT, they public-ally released it at one price point only to dial it back down after the Super Parts dropped. The would have totally charged their initial prices for the cards if they could have.

i don't think AMD has the market stability or the track record to be demanding higher and higher prices yet. Just my opinion.
that's not how market share works you don't just magically take it all over night. yes their original price was wrong for the 5700XT based on information they had at the time of nvidia's pricing and assuming the supers were going to be priced much higher than they ended up being and they fixed it.. the 5700XT is priced correctly based on where it sits between the rtx 2060 and rtx 2070 super.. the fact that nvidia then back tracked and decided not to discontinue the RTX 2070 sku after they said they would when the 2070 super launched tells a whole lot more..
 
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that's not how market share works you don't just magically take it all over night. yes their original price was wrong for the 5700XT based on information they had at the time of nvidia's pricing and assuming the supers were going to be priced much higher than they ended up being and they fixed it.. the 5700XT is priced correctly based on where it sits between the rtx 2060 and rtx 2070 super.. the fact that nvidia then back tracked and decided not to discontinue the RTX 2070 sku after they said they would when the 2070 super launched tells a whole lot more..
Honestly, I simply stated my opinion. I could be wrong. Shit happens. You guys have your opinions, I have mine.
 

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Honestly, I simply stated my opinion. I could be wrong. Shit happens. You guys have your opinions, I have mine.
Your opinion is not based on facts though.

Fact is AMD is smashing intel in the enthusiast market currently as evidenced by Amazon sales, mindfactory sales, polls on enthusiast websites, inventory at hardware stores (i.e microcenter)

One can deduce that AMD is making a quality product at a reasonable price.

Marketshare is not going to change overnight. OEMS are still deeply entrenched with Intel and that will take a period of time to change, has little to do with pricing and more to do with Intel's history with these large OEMS and mindshare among the general populace.

In regards to GPU pricing, the 5700xt performs closer to the 2070 super than the 2060 super and is frequently available for cheaper than the 2060 super. The cheapest 2060 super on newegg is $399.99 and many are in the mid 400 range. The cheapest 5700xt on newegg is $349 with many available $349-$399. Where is the overpricing?
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I will concede that 5500xt pricing does not seem appropriate and was pretty dissapointing. The 1650 super is also a relatively strong product.
 
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Your opinion is not based on facts though.

Fact is AMD is smashing intel in the enthusiast market currently as evidenced by Amazon sales, mindfactory sales, polls on enthusiast websites, inventory at hardware stores (i.e microcenter)

One can deduce that AMD is making a quality product at a reasonable price.

Marketshare is not going to change overnight. OEMS are still deeply entrenched with Intel and that will take a period of time to change, has little to do with pricing and more to do with Intel's history with these large OEMS and mindshare among the general populace.

In regards to GPU pricing, the 5700xt performs closer to the 2070 super than the 2060 super and is frequently available for cheaper than the 2060 super. Where is the overpricing? I will concede that 5500xt pricing does not seem appropriate.
You guys are just jumping all over my opinions. I don't really think the 5700 XT is too expensive. I really don't think the 5700 is too expensive. I think the 5600 and below are 50 bucks too expensive and would like to see all of AMD's CPU's drop about 50 bucks.

If you're going to talk about facts, and slap me around for it, then you should probably link those facts to everything you just said. That's another one of my opinions ;).

All the talent is currently over at Intel. Intel has a process leadership that has been disrupted for a number of years by laziness. However, they own their own foundries and are developing their own 7nm process. It will take years but Intel has the Billions and the market presence in the entire ecosystem to survive those couple years and then roast AMD, if AMD doesn't somehow take most of the market from them. (Intel is currently investing 18 Billion for the, IIRC, current year in R&D and Capital Expenditures to update it's FABS).

Research:
Intel annual/quarterly research and development expenses history and growth rate from 2006 to 2019. Research and development expenses can be defined as an expense arising from studies and product development processes.
  • Intel research and development expenses for the quarter ending September 30, 2019 were $3.208B, a 6.42% decline year-over-year.
  • Intel research and development expenses for the twelve months ending September 30, 2019 were $13.411B, a 0.36% increase year-over-year.
  • Intel annual research and development expenses for 2018 were $13.543B, a 3.9% increase from 2017.
  • Intel annual research and development expenses for 2017 were $13.035B, a 2.76% increase from 2016.
  • Intel annual research and development expenses for 2016 were $12.685B, a 4.59% increase from 2015.
CASH on HAND:
Intel cash on hand from 2006 to 2019. Cash on hand can be defined as cash deposits at financial institutions that can immediately be withdrawn at any time, and investments maturing in one year or less that are highly liquid and therefore regarded as cash equivalents and reported with or near cash line items.
  • Intel cash on hand for the quarter ending September 30, 2019 was $12.025B, a 8.8% decline year-over-year.
  • Intel cash on hand for 2018 was $11.65B, a 16.8% decline from 2017.
  • Intel cash on hand for 2017 was $14.002B, a 18.11% decline from 2016.
  • Intel cash on hand for 2016 was $17.099B, a 32.45% decline from 2015.
Market Cap $260.696B
Revenue $70.848B

I will see if I can find that quote about the 18 Billion Capital Investment I read somewhere. However, the above is where I am basing my "feels" off of. Since AMD made, what? 500 Million last year after years of suffering a loss.

They spent 15.5 Billion on their CAPEX for 2018. 1 Billion went into adding to their 14nm lineup.
I can't find the explicit statement about 18 Billion for 2019, however, the forecast is that 2019 was to be grossly higher than 2018's CAPEX.


Intel also doesn't JUST make CPUs.

I think AMD might remain competitive, I just wish they were gobbling up market share faster than they are. I don't think they have enough time to do enough disruptive damage to Intel to mean much of shit in the long run.
 
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I really don't think TSMC has enough capacity to overcome Intel's capacity for CPU's and then add on GPU's and all the other chips they make for other customers such as Nvidia, Apple . . . .. AMD maybe able to take some market share from Intel but then will hit a pretty tall wall. If GF was making 7nm, Samsung yields better then that would help, allowing AMD to take even more market share. Who cares what Intel will do in the future if you are shopping now? AMD has definitely hit some solid runs and home runs in with their CPU's. As for GPU's it is OK but nothing like their CPU line compared to the competition.
 

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Apple is shifting OFF 7nm to 5nm (new TSMC 5nm factory) freeing up space for AMD chip production. Papermaster has already communicated that AMD has taken the added TSMC production capacity for 7nm. Also, 5500 production has gone to Samsung.
 

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If you're going to talk about facts, and slap me around for it, then you should probably link those facts to everything you just said. That's another one of my opinions ;).
Basically you want people to do your research for you. It's like you'd rather have a discussion about opinions rather than actually see what is happening in the market for yourself. It's not the responsibility of others to help you with all the fact checking necessary. If a news broadcast had to bring up every piece of research just to have an interview with counterpoints your method would require 5 hour long broadcasts.
But to answer at least one of the claims that sabrewolf732 brought up Amazon sales: that was posted on in our own Hardforum news section: https://hardforum.com/threads/eight-of-amazons-top-10-best-selling-processors-are-amd-cpus.1990834/
 

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Yeah, this generation it seems like AMD is introducing all their Graphics cards 50 bucks too high. Honestly... Almost their entire product stack is 50 bucks too high.

I know they're trying to make bank but I would be selling my stuff cheaper in order to grab greater market share from Intel... Then, once I had eaten 25% of the market from Intel, bump my prices a bit. I feel like they prematurely inflated their pricing and Intel can, at damn near any moment, cut their pricing to crush AMD... If they (Intel) had the stock levels they would likely have already done this.
As stated, they have undercut Intel on pricing, don't restrict SMT as an option, and Intel can't do more than 10 cores right now. AMD has a 12 and a 16. Intel's next line of processors look to mostly allow SMT, in a pallid response.

For GPUs ----- AMD announced pricing for the 57** series which seemed a bit high. Nvidia lowered prices/released new products in response to AMD. And then AMD lowered prices the day before release, to meet their new lower price. Which really seemed like it was planned all along.

*and I think the 5600XT is going to be more in line with the 2060, than the 1660. Someone else said Nvidia may drop the price of the 2060 and it looks like they may be doing that.
 
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