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AMD Debuts Radeon RX 9070 XT and RX 9070 Powered by RDNA 4, and FSR 4
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ZeroBarrier
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Define MSRP. Do you mean the fake price AMD announced, or the real MSRP since AMD stopped giving retailers vouchers?
Correct me if I am wrong but the vouchers were for chips AIBs had bought before AMD cut the prices, yes? AIBs should be able to buy them from AMD for cheaper from now on so no need for vouchers. MSRP models should return after the madness ends and the Über OC Overweight Cooler Blingbling Editions stop being so damn profitable, they start to sit on shelves meaning they have to produce the MSRP models again to sell more cards.
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That's not accurate, from what I know of retail. The vouchers were likely for retailers who the ones holding the stock that they bought from AiBs at the real MSRP. AMD was already paid by the AiB's for their chips and the AiB's were already paid by the retailers who then had to sit on the inventory until little miss Muffett finally decided to come down from her tuffet to say they were okay to sell now. So, you had retailers who had to store these things for months on top of being told they had to sell them for cheaper because AMD royally misjudged Nvidia's pricing. Just proves that AMD is still just playing the Nvidia -$50 pricing game.
Ah, I misunderstood who the vouchers were for. But the point still stands, if AMD has cut the prices then I would assume then that the prices have to have come down through the supply chain unless the new MSRP is somehow unrealistic and would make someone operate on a loss. In theory AIB's now pay AMD less from the chips and stores pay AIB's less from the cards. Stores right now are keeping the prices high because the demand is so damn high and because AMD is not making reference cards for competition the AIBs are putting more focus on the more profitable special models, with only token MSRP model shipments here and there.
But things will normalize eventually, that is my belief, or hope...
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Anyone else have to shut off graphics acceleration in browsers and other software with this card? I can't alt-tab out of a game and do anything else, the entire desktop is a laggy 10-20 second delay mess and browsers show the strangest behavior, like scrolling a page results in a static image with one line of text scrolling where the mouse is.
ZeroBarrier
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They did not lower the price, they fooled everyone by using vouchers for a limited time, and as usual people give AMD another pass and fell for it hook, line and sinker.
Amazon seems to have 9070s in stock now, though prices are all up $100 on top of the initial $100 increase........MSRP for the $600 cards is now $800. Even newegg updated their pricing on the out of stock cards, though still cheaper than ebay scalpers.
I had to buy one, the Oblivion remaster is a little rough on my current GPU.
I had to buy one, the Oblivion remaster is a little rough on my current GPU.
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I see the Reaper 9070 shipped and sold by Amazon but delivery is June 8-18 for prime members : $679.99
Still way too much. MSRP 550 is okayish 650 or more is a keep waiting price.. This is the one I wanted but ended up with the Gigabyte OC. It’s running fine for the record.
Still way too much. MSRP 550 is okayish 650 or more is a keep waiting price.. This is the one I wanted but ended up with the Gigabyte OC. It’s running fine for the record.
Thats rough lol, I get May 15 - 27 shipping for the reaper XT with prime shipping. Unfortunately my options are super limited because of the ITX case, theres one 2 slot 3080Ti and EVGA has a watercooled 3090 but otherwise there arent that many high end cards with a true 2 slot width
mullet
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The prices are still stupid.
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Have not noticed a difference in upgrading from my 6950XT to the 9700XT.
Games I play:
Neverwinter nights
7 Days to Die
Kings Bounty
IceWind Dale
Resident Evil 4
OS: Endeavor OS
Kernel: 6.14 Zen
Games I play:
Neverwinter nights
7 Days to Die
Kings Bounty
IceWind Dale
Resident Evil 4
OS: Endeavor OS
Kernel: 6.14 Zen
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and you shouldnt, you dropped from a *900 class to the *700 class...
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At least I made money on it all
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In my experience, a different motherboard can affect GPU coil whine just as much as a different Power Supply!
Hopefully this isn't the case. Because MSRP and early adopter special offer are two very different things...
I finally got mine. Asus Prime OC 9070XT. Over MSRP sure but not horribly so, only about 80e.
What a massive upgrade over 3070 this was! Oblivion Remastered was useless with that card, outside I had to keep everything low to have somewhat playable performance but the game looked like ass then, virtually unplayable. Now I have everything on high and raytracing on, 2160p FSR Performance mode, I get about 60 to 70fps. Good enough speed that even frame generation works really well to push the fps to the 144hz that my TV is capable of. I can easily feel the lag, pretty much equivalent to old LCD monitors with Vsync on, but in this game it is fine and mostly artifact free thanks to high base framerate.
Witcher 3 Next gen seem to work really well maxed out, Ray tracing on, Hairworks on with 4x antialiasing, 2160p fsr performance mode, solid 60fps. This is just the initial area though, I have to get into the Novigrad for true stress test at some point. Cannot use frame gen because I used Optiscaler for FSR4 but in this game it hooks itself into XeSS instead of DLSS, no frame gen in XeSS.
Speaking of FSR4, holy shit it looks good! Youtube comparison videos barely do it justice and IMHO it is not any worse than DLSS4 in real life use.
My card undervolts to -70 and it seems to be stable. -100 was too much but with just -70 and maxed out powerlimit I did gain few fps. That said I absolutely despise the Radeon Adrenaline software. It is such a mess, an assault to the eyes, and takes me a while to find anything I need to adjust. I hate hate hate this kind of modern UI design! Nvidia's old Control Panel is still my favourite and peak user friendly design there is. But this is nitpicking really, it is not like I would need to use the radeon software daily, it doesn't matter for gaming.
That is all I managed to test last night after evening shift.
What a massive upgrade over 3070 this was! Oblivion Remastered was useless with that card, outside I had to keep everything low to have somewhat playable performance but the game looked like ass then, virtually unplayable. Now I have everything on high and raytracing on, 2160p FSR Performance mode, I get about 60 to 70fps. Good enough speed that even frame generation works really well to push the fps to the 144hz that my TV is capable of. I can easily feel the lag, pretty much equivalent to old LCD monitors with Vsync on, but in this game it is fine and mostly artifact free thanks to high base framerate.
Witcher 3 Next gen seem to work really well maxed out, Ray tracing on, Hairworks on with 4x antialiasing, 2160p fsr performance mode, solid 60fps. This is just the initial area though, I have to get into the Novigrad for true stress test at some point. Cannot use frame gen because I used Optiscaler for FSR4 but in this game it hooks itself into XeSS instead of DLSS, no frame gen in XeSS.
Speaking of FSR4, holy shit it looks good! Youtube comparison videos barely do it justice and IMHO it is not any worse than DLSS4 in real life use.
My card undervolts to -70 and it seems to be stable. -100 was too much but with just -70 and maxed out powerlimit I did gain few fps. That said I absolutely despise the Radeon Adrenaline software. It is such a mess, an assault to the eyes, and takes me a while to find anything I need to adjust. I hate hate hate this kind of modern UI design! Nvidia's old Control Panel is still my favourite and peak user friendly design there is. But this is nitpicking really, it is not like I would need to use the radeon software daily, it doesn't matter for gaming.
That is all I managed to test last night after evening shift.
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I'm on the verge of returning my 9070XT, in addition to the coil whine I've now found its completely incompatible somehow with one of my most played games, Mechwarrior 5. Apocalyptically bad FPS, single digits where I can swap in my 7800XT and get 100fps no problem. Can't make heads or tails as to why it runs so bad and I've tried everything I can think of to fix it with zero effect. Whats even weirder is when its chugging along at 7 FPS, the card is 100% loaded and pulling 320W so it should be doing something.
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I'm not here to bash Radeon, but if the product is inside it's return window, I would return it and not take the risk and trust the driver being fixed too quickly - likely at some point in the future it will be since the issue is severe, while naturally I cannot say if it's actually on the driver, you likely know the best. It's unfortunate that some not too popular titles, or not popular anymore, like many single player experiences, that might have worked when they were fresh on the driver(s) of the time, get borked on a later release, likely unbeknownst to the driver team. This was one of the reasons for me too in swapping from Radeon to Geforce. Don't waste your time waiting if the game is important to you - some people might tolerate similar situations more if they simply shift between games much.
It's easy to shine on the reviews when a single old game doesn't get tested at all, and I don't mean they should actually be benchmarked and included in the review necessarily. Also no true application testing is done outside of the most popular, which is understandable admittedly, though some of them are only synthetic benchmarks which don't serve any practical purpose using the product. For any GPU maker it's easy to check which games and programs needs to be in tick to ensure the most positive outcome in reviews.
Makes you truly appreciate the software support that another brand might be able to offer, which is down to resources (manpower), management and simple mindfulness building the driver. I hope you get the situation sorted out!PS. To be clear, if some driver, like the current one, works for an older arch, it might not work for the newer one the same, as we can witness from many "known issues" sections of the driver releases as well, listing issues on specific archs.
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Didn't you have an issue with a 6900xt also? I recall trying armored warfare with a 6900xt specifically, and then basically every game except AAA.
Yeah, here it is.
Idk. Your situation always seems to be substantially worse than everyone else, and also hard to replicate.
https://hardforum.com/threads/anybo...navi-cards-on-launch.2022791/#post-1045486066
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Yeah, but that game doesn't run for crap on any AMD card, still doesn't to this day. Most likely because it has about 1000 players world wide.
This issue took my by surprise, because I've been running Cyberpunk 2077 and Oblivion Remaster and besides the whine (which is totally random), its been great.Oblivion RM is a UE5 title, while this game is UE4 so I would expect similar performance between the two. Its extra strange, because I have vsync/adaptive sync off and when the game is chugging like this even Windows is unusable. I just updated to the 25.5.1 drivers that came out today and it didn't help any that I can tell, but I did manage to track down which setting is causing it. It seems to be the "effects" setting, which at high/max causes the game to run at 7-10fps but with it at medium or low it jumps up to 150fps.
This behavior is not mirrored with the 7800XT, it runs about the same on each setting losing about 5fps over the whole range from low to max. The other problem is the game doesn't apply the settings correctly from the menu, so I have to edit the settings.ini to get it to actually change which is why I was having such trouble getting to the bottom of it.
My original idea was if the 9070XT was good, I could sell my 4090 and some of my other stuff I don't need for a little extra cash.
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Tried disabling AMD metrics overlay?
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I’m running driver only install with no adrenaline app.
And how do you manage the Graphics settings for better quality?
Regarding the coil whine, you could try if you have another PSU to try with it, or if you have a sound card on the slot next to the video, try removing it. These things can sometimes help with the coil whine.
Regarding bad FPS, DDUs can help or some games need to rebuild the shaders when you change the graphics card.
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You guys complain a lot.
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No just me
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Very strange. I haven’t touched that game in a while, but I was thinking of booting back in to see how much better (or worse?) the 9070 handles it. Maybe I’ll have some time next week to check it out.
Same here, I've been thinking about it recently so I'll give it an install tonight and see how my 9070 XT works with it.
Edit- I'm coming from a 3090 as a comparison. Definitely not seeing any issues, at 4K with everything maxed + TXAA, Averaging ~76 FPS , did notice some dips while zoomed in which I don't remember on my 3090, but overall it's playing about ~10 ish FPS better than the 3090 was. Now I have the Epic store version, not sure if that matters.
Edit 2 - I do get to the super low FPS with Ray tracing Maximum on, but that's the only thing I see that bogs it down.
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Standing by my statement, you have issues that don't seem to affect others, and are hard to replicate. I tried AW back in 2022 on a 6900xt, with data logs, and didn't see what you saw.
Your issues with MW5 seems to be similar, maybe you can post some data logs for us to view?
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The AW problem was widespread, their discord had a ton of complaints with Silentstalker himself confirming it but they had no fix at the time due to lack of access to the source code of the game. Mainly, the issue was with spec ops maps, the most notable being the Plague map. Most of the maps were too small so even if usage was low it ran fine on a potato.
Anyways, I’ll try and get some logs of this tonight. I’ve had a few people say that they have no issue with this on Windows 10 so I’m going to try that as well. At least now I’ve found the setting that causes it so I can play normally though.
It’s not like Nvidia is any better these days, I had to revert to drivers a year old to get away from black screens with those guys. Compared to those issues having one setting in one game that doesn’t work quite right on a newly launched card isn’t bad at all, but combined with how noisy this card is out makes me want to be done with it before the return period is up. I may do that and wait until the Sapphire card is available and get that instead.
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Is the Alphacool- Asrock Taichi water block still the only one available for the 9070xt? The Taichi is also unobtainable unless you want to spend a grand, hell no. I've been searching high and low and so far that's it for blocks. Which seems crazy considering how popular these cards are. I guess EK getting hammered wasn't such a good thing afterall.
yeah, EK getting clipped was bad for the market. Alphacool has stated on their forums and on Reddit they plan to support a ton of cards, but they're super backed up and they don't plan to open for preorders until they catch up some.
List of cards that are supposed to get blocks
Confirmed and in work:
Powercolor:
RX 9070XT Hellound
RX 9070XT Red Devil
XFX
RX 9070XT Mercury
Asus
RX 9070XT Prime
RX 9070XT TUF
Gigabyte
RX 9070XT Aourus
RX 9070XT Gaming
Sapphire
RX 9070XT Pure
RX 9070XT Nitro+
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Sweet, appreciate the heads up!
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OK so here we are, ran 3 cards in MW5 at the exact same settings except the 9070XT I switched "effects" to Low for the second run instead of High, same mission logged 60 seconds from the start with Presentmon. I ran out of time to try and do Windows 10 tonight, but look at the crazy difference between one setting from low to high. If I run the game on Max settings the 7800XT and 9070XT get very low so I didn't do that, instead chose the ones I usually play at.
Game "optimized" settings I usually play on
Game "optimized" settings I usually play on
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Is the 7800XT running on high settings, or low? If high, it looks like this game might be bugged on the 9070 cards. I haven't had a chance to try mine, yet.
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As far as I know it should be DX12, I never changed anything in relation to this.
High. The only setting switch was specifically the Effects setting only on the 9070XT. Which is why I posted about it in the first place, because it was incredibly weird to me that it was struggling so much compared to the 7800XT. I need to find some time to try out Windows 10.