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AMD Debuts Radeon RX 9070 XT and RX 9070 Powered by RDNA 4, and FSR 4

Makes zero sense. Staying put... again. I figure by the time I do a GPU upgrade... I won't care about doing GPU upgrade. Thanks Nvidia.

Edit: Right now you can easily (very) buy an 5070. Sure, it's less performance than a 9070... but the 9070 is what, about 70% MORE in cost right now. We can blame "magic unicorns", but whatever is happening, it's death to AMD. Insane.
 
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I’m probably going to hang onto the 9070 non-XT I snagged from Amazon at MSRP. It’s enough to get me to the real upgrade cycle of UDNA vs Rubin, better performing and way more power efficient than my 6800 XT, and much better at things like AI upscaling of video. The GPU market isn’t as bonkers as it was in 2020, but it’s still elevated enough that I can probably get somewhere around $400 for my 6800 XT, which makes it a pretty cheap upgrade. I might have to get a new case, as running such a long card in my Sliger Cerberus is a huge PITA, but them’s the breaks sometimes.
 
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I’m probably going to hang onto the 9070 non-XT I snagged from Amazon at MSRP. It’s enough to get me to the real upgrade cycle of UDNA vs Rubin, better performing and way more power efficient than my 6800 XT, and much better at things like AI upscaling of video. The GPU market isn’t as bonkers as it was in 2020, but it’s still elevated enough that I can probably get somewhere around $400 for my 6800 XT, which makes it a pretty cheap upgrade. I might have to get a new case, as running such a long card in my Sliger Cerberus is a huge PITA, but them’s the breaks sometimes.
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Overclock the fuck out of it.
 
arthur_tuxedo said:
I’m probably going to hang onto the 9070 non-XT I snagged from Amazon at MSRP. It’s enough to get me to the real upgrade cycle of UDNA vs Rubin, better performing and way more power efficient than my 6800 XT, and much better at things like AI upscaling of video. The GPU market isn’t as bonkers as it was in 2020, but it’s still elevated enough that I can probably get somewhere around $400 for my 6800 XT, which makes it a pretty cheap upgrade. I might have to get a new case, as running such a long card in my Sliger Cerberus is a huge PITA, but them’s the breaks sometimes.
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I think its a performance sweet spot.16GB of VRAM will help keep it relevant for awhile. And some games really like AMD's architectures.
 
Got one coming tomorrow (Gigabyte 9070) that I traded for here. It’s going into an all AMD box and I’m looking forward to messing with it. Believe it or not everything I play has been acceptable on my all Intel B580 PC so , for me , nothing more expensive or performant than a 70 class Nvidia card or so is worth it.
 
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I think its a performance sweet spot.16GB of VRAM will help keep it relevant for awhile. And some games really like AMD's architectures.
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Agreed. The 9070 XT’s stock clocks are a little bit past its efficiency “happy place,” looking at the wattage numbers. The 9070 has plenty of room to OC/UV while staying under 200 Watts, which is important here in Sacramento where it can get up to 116 deg in the summer.
 
Now that I’ve got my 9070 non-XT plugged in, I take back what I said about 2.9 GHz being out of the “happy place.” These cards seem to go over 3 GHz without breaking a sweat, and you almost have to try to stop them from achieving those clocks. The hardest I’ve pushed it so far was 270 Watts in modded Skyrim VR at ~6K render resolution, roughly 3 GHz clocks, and noise / heat / temps were better than the 6800 XT @ 220W.

It happily AI upscales video in Topaz at under 140W and dumps less heat into the case at those wattages than the 6800 XT, maybe thanks to its larger heatsink and better efficiency. With my 6800 XT, I used to have to use MoreClockTool to switch to a heavily-underclocked profile for video upscaling or the 6800 XT would get so hot that the PC’s emergency shutdown would trigger and it would turn the whole computer off. This thing has more than double the performance in Topaz, doesn’t need any special profile, and temps are a reasonable 70 deg C, not spiking above 100 like the old card.

The 6800 XT was a veteran champ, and I still don’t think you can beat it for the money, but this 9070 is a very nice upgrade. I don’t feel like I’m missing out anymore when I play PCVR.
 
Anyone know how often microcenter gets stock? Gonna be near one in 2 weeks for work. Would love to stop by and pick up an msrp 9070xt.
 
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Anyone know how often microcenter gets stock? Gonna be near one in 2 weeks for work. Would love to stop by and pick up an msrp 9070xt.
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every few days, i think i saw in the stock thread. could always call them and ask when they get their shipments...
 
Also, if like the Microcenter in Dallas, you can measure the appearance and purchase in probably less than 1 half hour in most cases .... regardless of 9070 variant. Good luck.
 
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Anyone know how often microcenter gets stock? Gonna be near one in 2 weeks for work. Would love to stop by and pick up an msrp 9070xt.
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I've kind of been watching the current gen inventory at the one near me (Chicago) the last few weeks. Actually buying a vid card from Microcenter is difficult for me until they're just simply in stock since they always show up on weekdays, they don't take orders for pickup on hot items, and I have to work, but I looked anyway. $600 MSRP models are rare and go immediately, but they get restocks every few days. It's usually a couple times a week. They're mostly AIB custom models, but at least they're not marked up more than the AIBs already marked them up.
 
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Wow. I'm amazed I haven't seen any complaints about the drivers yet on these new cards. Good job AMD.
 
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Wow. I'm amazed I haven't seen any complaints about the drivers yet on these new cards. Good job AMD.
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Not hearing about it here ,where there are many AMD faithfuls doesn't mean there aren't issues. If you take a look over on reddit on r/AMDHelp you'll see some people are having some drivers issues.

I don't think all the posts concerning the 9070 series are horrendous, but there are plenty of users on there with issues nonetheless. As always, take anything you read with a generous helping of salt as not every issues posted there is either a driver issue or a hardware issue.

Interestingly, people are still posting about bubbled up ryzen 9000 series processors and the usual talking heads don't bring any additional attention to that problem as it seems their too busy milking the current, "Nvidia bad", "Nvidia drivers bad" and "Nvidia prices bad" drama they are heavily invested in at the moment.
 
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Not hearing about it here ,where there are many AMD faithfuls doesn't mean there aren't issues. If you take a look over on reddit on r/AMDHelp you'll see some people are having some drivers issues.

I don't think all the posts concerning the 9070 series are horrendous, but there are plenty of users on there with issues nonetheless. As always, take anything you read with a generous helping of salt as not every issues posted there is either a driver issue or a hardware issue.

Interestingly, people are still posting about bubbled up ryzen 9000 series processors and the usual talking heads don't bring any additional attention to that problem as it seems their too busy milking the current, "Nvidia bad", "Nvidia drivers bad" and "Nvidia prices bad" drama they are heavily invested in at the moment.
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Ahmmm, Nvidia drivers bad -> yep. Nvidia prices bad, really? -> yep. Nvidia bad -> well if you bought a $2000+ GPU and it melts in front of your eyes, well?

Will Nvidia get their act together for consumer Blackwell is to be seen.
 
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Ahmmm, Nvidia drivers bad -> yep. Nvidia prices bad, really? -> yep. Nvidia bad -> well if you bought a $2000+ GPU and it melts in front of your eyes, well?

Will Nvidia get their act together for consumer Blackwell is to be seen.
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"get's their act together"

Nvidia:

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It's all good unless the AI market dries up. But for now, your not wrong :)
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The AI Market will indeed dry up, but gamers will still fight each other for a nursing-spot on Nvidia's dick as soon as that happens. Nobody knows how to vote with their wallet, never did.
 
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The AI Market will indeed dry up, but gamers will still fight each other for a nursing-spot on Nvidia's dick as soon as that happens. Nobody knows how to vote with their wallet, never did.
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I dont think it will, it might slow down a little but companies are still racing for better features. It depends on how compelling nvidia's upgrades are, and if companied with tens or hundreds of thousands of h100s want to upgrade. I also thimk theyre going to get a ton of medium sized companies thst want to run open source models locally. Im tired of AI hype, but it is useful and i dont see the business side slowing down for a while.
 

RDNA 4’s Raytracing Improvements​


GPUs aren’t latency optimized, so trading latency-bound pointer chasing steps for more parallel compute requirements is a good strategy.

https://chipsandcheese.com/p/rdna-4s-raytracing-improvements

In a frame captured from 3DMark’s DXR feature test, which raytraces an entire scene with minimal rasterization, the Radeon RX 9070 sustained 111.76G and 19.61G box and triangle tests per second, respectively. For comparison the RDNA 2 based Radeon RX 6900XT did 38.8G and 10.76G box and triangle tests per second. Ballparking Ray Accelerator utilization is difficult due to variable clock speeds on both cards. But assuming 2.5 GHz gives 24% and 10.23% utilization figures for RDNA 4 and RDNA 2’s Ray Accelerators. RDNA 4 is therefore able to feed its bigger Ray Accelerator better than RDNA 2 could. AMD has done a lot since their first generation raytracing implementation, and the cumulative progress is impressive.
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Still, RDNA 4 has room for improvement. OBBs could be more flexible, and first level caches could be larger. Intel and Nvidia are obvious competitors too. Intel has revealed a lot about their raytracing implementation, and no raytracing discussion would be complete without keeping them in context. Intel’s Raytracing Accelerator (RTA) takes ownership of the traversal process and is tightly optimized for it, with a dedicated BVH cache and short stack kept in internal registers. It’s a larger hardware investment that doesn’t benefit general workloads, but does let Intel even more closely fit fixed function hardware to raytracing demands. Besides the obvious advantage from using dedicated caches/registers instead of RDNA 4’s general purpose caches and local data share, Intel can keep traversal off Xe Core thread slots, leaving them free for ray generation or result handling.

AMD’s approach has advantages of its own. Avoiding thread launches between raytracing pipeline steps can reduce latency. And raytracing code running on the programmable shader pipelines naturally takes advantage of their ability to track massive thread-level parallelism. As RDNA 4 and Intel’s Battlemage have shown, there’s plenty of room to improve within both strategies.
 
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Not hearing about it here ,where there are many AMD faithfuls doesn't mean there aren't issues. If you take a look over on reddit on r/AMDHelp you'll see some people are having some drivers issues.

I don't think all the posts concerning the 9070 series are horrendous, but there are plenty of users on there with issues nonetheless. As always, take anything you read with a generous helping of salt as not every issues posted there is either a driver issue or a hardware issue.

Interestingly, people are still posting about bubbled up ryzen 9000 series processors and the usual talking heads don't bring any additional attention to that problem as it seems their too busy milking the current, "Nvidia bad", "Nvidia drivers bad" and "Nvidia prices bad" drama they are heavily invested in at the moment.
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When AMD has reported driver issues:

https://hardforum.com/goto/post?id=1046043018

"I'm sorry to say this, but you won't get much help on this forum. Too many AMD fans that swear up and down that AMD drivers are flawless"


When Nvidia has reported driver issues

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Sorry to those suffering issues. 572.60 installed on my 3070 mobile working flawlessly though.

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All software has issues, nvidia, amd, intel, via, etc....

Stop complaining you bums!
 
Well I didn't win the silicon lottery, this card has some of the worst coil whine I've ever heard. Kinda disappointing, performance doesn't seem to be very good either coming from 7800XT.
 
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Well I didn't win the silicon lottery, this card has some of the worst coil whine I've ever heard. Kinda disappointing, performance doesn't seem to be very good either coming from 7800XT.
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That sucks man. I'm stuck with my oem 7900xtx, but it's super quiet even at 100% utilization. Runs hot as fuck though so I was kind of hoping to get a cooler running 9700xt. I don't have good luck though. I decided to limit it to 300W and now it's not running so hot and I'm actually kinda impressed with it now.
 
I went ahead today and swapped my 9070XT to the Intel machine, and for whatever reason the coil whine is much less. Not sure if its the different PSU (MSI A1000G vs Thermaltake GF A3 1200W) or the combination of the things, it still has a hiss to it but not nearly as bad. Interestingly, it only happens at low fps, like 60-120 but if I hit a menu where its 1000fps its dead silent.
 
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I went ahead today and swapped my 9070XT to the Intel machine, and for whatever reason the coil whine is much less. Not sure if its the different PSU (MSI A1000G vs Thermaltake GF A3 1200W) or the combination of the things, it still has a hiss to it but not nearly as bad. Interestingly, it only happens at low fps, like 60-120 but if I hit a menu where its 1000fps its dead silent.
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It’s probably not silent, it’s likely just gone above normal hearing range.
 
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