AMD Announces Ryzen 7 3700X, 3800X and Ryzen 9 3900X

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  1. Meeho

    Meeho [H]ardness Supreme

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    And like you keep saying, it does work for you. Many for sure won't be upgrading. Interesting how that goes both ways, but only your perspective matters. I've already stated what the market for Zen 2 is. You happen to fall in it, great for you.
     
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    True, but you can't just say many wont be upgrading. That is little silly thing to say, please quantify that number. We can't just speak for everyone. Only you and me, agree?
     
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    Oh look your saying something negative about AMD and how you wont use it. Dont like the cpu then move on and accept not everyone agrees with you. I for one will be upgrading just trying to decide if I want a 12 core or not. Plenty of people are still on old hardware will likely find this new chip interesting, very few would be looking for a 9900K. These new Ryzen chips will raise the bar quite a bit for the average user base and thats a good thing.
     
  4. Meeho

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    I was never speaking for everyone. Many as in those who don't need >8 cores and have bought an Intel 6/6, 6/12, 8/8, 8/16 (even 4/8 depending on use) CPU in the last couple of years.

    What negative?
    Why don't you follow your own advice. I like the CPU just fine. Most of my responses have been to people not willing to accept that not everyone has to be hyped about it and see it as some extraordinary must have.

    Nothing that I've contradicted.
    Core count bar, at least, and not before Ryzen 3 gets released.
     
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  5. thebufenator

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    Hey guys, Meeho doesn't like AMD.

    Good to know.
     
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  6. NWRMidnight

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    See, here is your problem: you are telling us, that it does nothing for you, which is all fine and dandy but you are trying to put the rest of the user base in that same category. And that is where your mistake is. First, new processor releases, even when they are faster than what was previously offered are not geared towards those that already own last years year
    Top tier/fastest models or even the year before really, regardless if it is AND or Intel. The that exception is those that have lots of disposable income to throw away and upgrade Everytime something new is released and those people are a very small minority. As most of the user base can only afford to upgrade every few years if not longer. There are also those who have the work loads that this release is the best option all though they have last years tech or the power draw is important. It appears, by your comments, that you fall into the category that new processors are not geared for. So to you this is a underwelming release, which is fine. But it stops there.

    I guess your comments remind me of a guy who bought a 2017/2018 corvette, and then complains that the 2019 mustange is underwelming (all though slightly better, just a hypothetical example) so you won't be selling your corvette that is a year or two to get the mustange, and then try and spin it that it is the same for all corvette owners, and they have no reason to purchase the mustange.... All because it doesn't do anything for him. Hello, no business expects that, and no business releases new models with that line of thinking because it is unrealistic. The same thing holds true for computers. And it a flawed thinking.

    New processors are for those in the market for a new computer or looking to upgrade, and to give them the incentive to go AMD.

    You also say you are not speaking for everyone, but you keep making statements towards the average user base or say most people... So yea!!
     
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  7. Meeho

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    My first AMD build is 26 years old and I still have it, most of my CPUs were AMD, and 4 of my 5 current GPUs are AMD.
     
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  8. Meeho

    Meeho [H]ardness Supreme

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    What about a 2012 Corvette that still doesn't have a successor worth buying? Should I still be excited about the 2019 Mustang or just acknowledge it's good?
     
  9. Snowdog

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    The important metric is not you or me. It's where it stands for people looking to buy this product cycle, obviously the people happy with their current systems are out of the equation.

    For enthusiast desktop buyers AMD was already winning that market last year, and these new chips further solidify that.

    For Intel to have a comeback in the enthusiast desktop market, they need some real price cuts (something I doubt will happen).

    Edit: quoted wrong person somehow. fixed.
     
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  10. notarat

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    so what?
     
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  11. Meeho

    Meeho [H]ardness Supreme

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    So his statement is stupid and baseless.
     
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  12. notarat

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    As were yours.

    Pot
    Kettle
    You're black
     
  13. NWRMidnight

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    Only those that go for slow Sunday drives in their 2012 corvette and are in the market to replace it, but has never driven their current corvette under conditions that required them to fully utilize its full power so they wouldn't understand the performance differences between the two as they haven't yet done anything beyond light driving.

    So i guess you are telling us, that you are only utilizing your 5 year old processor for light work loads and have never really used it for serious work loads where you would be able to justify upgrading. Or, you are full of crap and just showed us your cards.. and you have nothing.

    If what you have works for you, great! But don't assume that is true for the masses.
     
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  14. Meeho

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    At least you also made sure not to cite any.
     
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    I am "glad" that many of my attempted purchases and "offers" for sales etc fell through, although the Radeons are pricier than I would have liked, will see/know more once on sale and some hopefully unbiased reviews come out.

    I am also quite interested to see how the "world" takes it, such as overclockers or even analyst who should realize by now AMD means business with Ryzen and constantly keeping their valuations "behind" those they are effectively out doing (kind of in regards to a watt/performance or something, as are they not a much much smaller company than Intel or Nvidia?

    if not, break them into their 1/2 CPU wise are way smaller than Intel, and GPU wise am pretty sure the Radeon group is also much smaller than the Nvidia folks, certainly invest less / less overhead (not accounting for pay down / investing RnD)

    Anywho, at least should have quite a nice pick of at least 2 really solid performing generations going from Ryzen 2600 all the way to the "top end" Ryzen sounds like 3900x

    Navi should be 3 offerings right off the bat?
    of course there is also the RX 47/80 57/590 all the way to the top Navi.. I suppose the unfortunate is, the pricing of the Navi parts are not likely to really put any pressure to drop pricing of say the 570s .. hard to say if it will actually cause them to jump a wee bit (e-tailers tend to be douches)

    If the summer goes well and can save enough, I smell a 3900x and top Navi as well (provided wattage/temps/noise is not overkill :p
     
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  16. gigaxtreme1

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    Now, now guys, play nice. Ahi are bustin' at AMD, stay on topic.
     
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  17. dub77nj

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    Using the ignore feature makes it look like you guys are having an argument with yourselves.
     
  18. TheRookie

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    I guess you didn't watch the presentation because Lisa Su made it clear that AMD wants to be in the position of leadership, not just a cheap alternative to Intel.

    Also, most people who just bought Coffee Lake wouldn't be upgrading anyway.
     
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  19. IdiotInCharge

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    "Wants"

    She can want all she... wants, but she has a long hill to climb with AMD. There's so much they have to deliver to get to a leadership position that it's staggering.

    Unless they're doing production video encoding or graphics rendering, why would they switch out to something slower?

    ;)
     
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  20. TheRookie

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    She's already far up the hill from where she started as CEO


    ...and you know this because you have have already tested 3rd gen Ryzen, right?
     
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  21. TheRookie

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    That's quite an accusation.

    I expect AMD to be cherry picking, but not "fudging the numbers"
     
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  22. Meeho

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    They often have a tendency for "creative" number spinning for sure, but more so on the GPU side. CPU wise they've been relatively tame since Bulldozer. Better the product, less the need to bullshit since you can let it speak for itself.
     
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  23. OrangeKhrush

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    Why is it assumed AMD = Skylake?

    That seems very facetious
     
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  24. TheRookie

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    Where did you get that from?

    Did you just made that up?
     
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  25. TheRookie

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    You keep saying that you have nothing to upgrade to.

    What do you have right now?
     
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  26. Meeho

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    E5-1650 (3930K)@4.4 and 8700K@4.8 in the main rigs.
     
  27. TheRookie

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    You said you care about performance up to 8 cores.

    Ryzen 7 3700X and Ryzen 7 3800X have two more cores than the Core i7-8700K.

    So there you have it.
     
  28. Meeho

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    Performance of 6/6 - 8/16 CPUs as that is the max useful core count for the majority of use cases today. So, better IPC and clocks in that range are preferable to more cores and we are stagnating in that regard for too long.
     
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    So, there you go.

    Eight cores
     
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  30. thebufenator

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    Pretty certain Microcenter dropped their Ryzen prices due to these new CPU's from AMD. While I will be waiting for some reviews on these news ones before I replace my desktop, it was hard to ignore the recent price cuts.

    Notably, the R5 1600 is down to $80, and the 1700 is down to $130.

    I just bought a 1600 and an open box X370 Taichi for $138 total. New fileshare / hypervisor to replace my FX8320e :D
     
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    Via newegg on FB.
     
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    Obviously things has been slowing down the last couple of decades, but there is still progress for every cpu generation, although not at the same percentage we use to have.
    You can say that technology has slowed down, but we all know the reasons, still I don't see why complaining about it changes anything? Your 8700k at 4.8 is still at the top and you will likely have many years use of it.
    Having the urge upgrade is cool and all, but what exactly would you use a 20% IPC improvement for if you could get it tomorrow?
     
  33. Flexion

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    Anyone think that AMD is releasing these while they slowly bin "golden samples" (lol) and put out the mini AM4 threadripper (16c/32t) around December? One can only wish.

    I'm glad all this is happening. Intel would happily sell us quadcores at 4ghz at 14nm until 2025. Lmao.
     
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    intel more like incel am i right fellas
     
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    I don't know about you guys, but my AMD shares are +$$$$, if this keeps up I can buy everyone a 3900X! well... only people who are nice to me.

    ;)
     
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    The giant screens behind dr sui.
     
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    15% IPC gain is impressive. Even if it works out to 10% in real world usage, that's pretty good. I was hoping for higher clocks, but the increase is nothing to sneeze at. What disappoints me is the highest clocks are on the part with the most cores. Fewer cores should run higher clocks in the same TDP.

    I'm not going to upgrade my 2700X for moar corz, when I upgrade it will be for moar clokz.
     
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    AMD usually specifies higher boost on higher end parts. Amount of cores is irrelevant for top boost clock since that only applies to 1 or 2 cores before it starts ramping down.
     
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    Something I havent seen mentioned is the security flaws with Intel. That to me would be a big thing because it does lower performance for Intel. Sure people will post paid Intel slides and show the impact being minimal but until the micro bios comes out, and honest reviewers come out we won't know the entire impact....as of right now there is no way to know.

    Intel has been hit with so many security flaws that lowers performance, it would be a no brainer to go AMD. Now if you do own a 8700k or even a 9900k there would be no point to switch platforms, but there are a lot of people that can't afford the Intel route. Now they have a better way to get the same if not better performance for a lower price.
     
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  40. IdiotInCharge

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    Because that's the five year old uarch they're trying to catch up with.

    I have AMD's numbers and can adjust for 'marketing optimism'.

    Cherry picking can fudge the numbers a lot. This is marketing.