AMD 2nd Gen Ryzen 2 2700X Zen+ CPU Review @ [H]

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Okay. Just got mine in. Let's see how badly I can abuse it. Let the overclocking begin.

Stock cooler is pretty beefy. Still using my Noctua with it, but damn. Best stock cooler I've ever seen, TBH. Anybody want to buy it off me?
 

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Kyle, would you do a review of the Wraith Prism?

I would like to see how to does compare to aftermarket coolers such as the Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO.
+1. Please review or compare the temp control of the Wraith.

I am quite curious if precision boost will give better performance on a better cooled CPU.

I NEED NUMBAHS!!!!
 

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i ordered a 2700 for my mini itx build i got a ROG strix x370-i gaming board. I'm hoping i can hit like 4.0 @ 1.3v maybe? should have gone for the 2700x? is it worth the extra 30 or so dollars? I planned on overclocking which disables all the powersaving stuff
 
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+1. Please review or compare the temp control of the Wraith.

I am quite curious if precision boost will give better performance on a better cooled CPU.

I NEED NUMBAHS!!!!
This slide said so:

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AMD claims a 3% performance boost in Cinebench R15 with the Noctua NH-D15S over the Wraith Prism
 
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excellent review.
in for the 8700k key chain giveaway.
 

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I mean, that's helpful, but independent tests are great as well. I will be using my old Water 2.0 Extreme
 

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i ordered a 2700 for my mini itx build i got a ROG strix x370-i gaming board. I'm hoping i can hit like 4.0 @ 1.3v maybe? should have gone for the 2700x? is it worth the extra 30 or so dollars? I planned on overclocking which disables all the powersaving stuff
Just like last year, where the 1700 was the clear value if you are overclockin. The 2700 is the best value. Just make sure to get the 3600 RAM, as Ryzen 1 & 2 heavily depend on ram speeds.
 

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Installed and running. Initial stock Cinebench pass shows 1802 nT score, so I think it's running properly. That's considerably faster than my best 1700X OC pass. Not seeing any RAM speed improvements over my 1700X, though. Still stuck at 2933 on these sticks. Will try to tweak a bit more though.

Edit: 176 on single core initial pass.
 
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i ordered a 2700 for my mini itx build i got a ROG strix x370-i gaming board. I'm hoping i can hit like 4.0 @ 1.3v maybe? should have gone for the 2700x? is it worth the extra 30 or so dollars? I planned on overclocking which disables all the powersaving stuff
You'd be hurting performance @ 4.0 wouldn't you? It would boost up to 4.1 without any overclocking :p
 
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The stock cooler is beefy as hell. If I didn't already have my Noctua, I'm not sure I'd bother with another air cooler. With the air cooler AMD gives you, either use that or go water, IMHO.
Well, I would like actual numbers to see how the Wraith Prism performs compared to popular aftermarket coolers.
 

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I don't think it's a boogeyman argument at all, but simply recalling past experiences with AMD boards.
AMD has a long and storied history of trashy motherboard implementations with a wide range of culprits.

This time around, once the BIOS got stabilized at least, most issues are related to corner cutting on the board makers' side; the chipsets and drivers seem pretty solid themselves.
 

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I mean, he's kind of speaking from the point of view of overclocking to max and benchmarking, I'm not after doing that (he was talking about LN2 on one of the Asus boards ffs). So yeah, I don't know that any of that is remotely relevant to plopping in a 2700x at stock.

Either way it sounds like the Asus 4+2 isn't bad as it uses higher efficiency vrms than a lot of the other boards, even if it doesn't do 8+2 like the msi's. I'll see what happens but I'm not too worried. I certainly don't think it's going to crap out on me, more worried that it won't boost all cores as much as it could.
Hmm I'd suggest you watch another one of his videos - he recently looked at the Gigabyte X470 board and it's a good example of his typical review process.

To be dismissive about that information is pretty silly IMO. I know you're trying to rationalize that a user on an air cooler (stock even) won't be hitting board limits, but I believe it's always better to know TOO much than to ignore that information altogether. I am happy that they improved the retail cooler - as anything that helps the layman user helps everyone. But it is weird to see you portraying yourself as disinterested in the details, when you're already a member on [H]. There should be some curiosity at least about your board and its capabilities. But hey - to each their own.

As an enthusiast, I still would rather be sold a bare chip so I can make that decision on my own. I'm not trading my D14 with triple A15 for any retail cooler, even as nice as the Prism is. If I'm correctly recalling the Wraith numbers, only the Wraith Max was effective - and that wasn't even included in any of the retail packaging. The Max was still only equivalent to the 212 - an entry level cooler. I'd hope that the Prism has made some minor improvements from that level of performance.
 

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Noticing an amusing inconsistency when playing with Cinebench single core and watching Ryzen master. Thread scheduling does NOT always pick the "gold star" best core. When by accident it hits the gold star or silver star core, single thread score is a tiny bit higher. 178 vs. 176. I see the good cores boosting all the way to 4350, but the shitty cores seem to stop around 4250.

This could create some slight inconsistencies with single thread results.
 

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What version of Ryzen Master are you using? I was looking for RM ver. 1.3 download link. my version is 1.2
 

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This does prove that X370 isn't really holding back the 2700X (vs. the X470). Precision Boost 2 is doing what it's supposed to on this board. Scores are in line with published benchmarks running X470 boards. That being said, I'm using an Asus Prime X370 Pro. It has very good power delivery. 6+4 phase. 40A Dual N-FETs. Strong VRM. For what it's worth, not sure if this CPU will run as well with weaker power delivery.
 

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I wonder if it related to individual core cooling? Since the core boosting seems to be largely based on core temps, I could see hot spots on the die resulting in faster/slower individual cores
 
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Noticing an amusing inconsistency when playing with Cinebench single core and watching Ryzen master. Thread scheduling does NOT always pick the "gold star" best core. When by accident it hits the gold star or silver star core, single thread score is a tiny bit higher. 178 vs. 176. I see the good cores boosting all the way to 4350, but the shitty cores seem to stop around 4250.

This could create some slight inconsistencies with single thread results.
What Mobo did you slap that CPU into?
 

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Just got mine installed in my Asus Prime B350M-A. Updated bios, shut down, installed, rebooted, set ram to DOCP profile 1, fired right up. I ran cpu-z stress test for about 20 minutes, temps stabilized at 65C with all core boost at 3.975ghz using the stock Wraith Prism and stock TIM. Single core boosts to 4.35 max. So I can confirm that PB2 and XFR2 both work on B350 without issue. All it appears to be lacking is PB2 overdrive, which is as expected.

https://valid.x86.fr/78n3wx

Can't wait to mess around more tonight, but completely painless, drop in upgrade for me. That's 775mhz all core boost and 600mhz single core boost vs. my r7 1700 at stock and 200mhz faster than the all core o/c it could maintain, an at 10C cooler temps (granted spire vs. prism isn't fair). Single and lightly threaded stuff (games) is where the big boost should be as if it's maintaining almost 4ghz all core, it should be up at 4.1-4.2 if 4-6 threaded stuff.

I have some thermal grizzly I plan to put on but was waiting to see if I wanted to upgrade the cooler. Not sure it would get me anything without PB2 overdive (ie x370 or x470), so I'll wait until I decide to grab one of those, but current state is good so no rush.
 

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Hmm I'd suggest you watch another one of his videos - he recently looked at the Gigabyte X470 board and it's a good example of his typical review process.

To be dismissive about that information is pretty silly IMO. I know you're trying to rationalize that a user on an air cooler (stock even) won't be hitting board limits, but I believe it's always better to know TOO much than to ignore that information altogether. I am happy that they improved the retail cooler - as anything that helps the layman user helps everyone. But it is weird to see you portraying yourself as disinterested in the details, when you're already a member on [H]. There should be some curiosity at least about your board and its capabilities. But hey - to each their own.

As an enthusiast, I still would rather be sold a bare chip so I can make that decision on my own. I'm not trading my D14 with triple A15 for any retail cooler, even as nice as the Prism is. If I'm correctly recalling the Wraith numbers, only the Wraith Max was effective - and that wasn't even included in any of the retail packaging. The Max was still only equivalent to the 212 - an entry level cooler. I'd hope that the Prism has made some minor improvements from that level of performance.
I watched the whole thing - his comment was that the Asus boards don't have as much amperage capacity as the 3+3 or 8+2 boards, but better voltage stability and uses more efficient vrms than the others, so heat would be lower. In short, I'm not concerned. I wasn't referring to the validity of the information, more his opinion to completely stay away from some of them from a perspective of high short term o/c for benchmarking vs. daily use.
 

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i ordered a 2700 for my mini itx build i got a ROG strix x370-i gaming board. I'm hoping i can hit like 4.0 @ 1.3v maybe? should have gone for the 2700x? is it worth the extra 30 or so dollars? I planned on overclocking which disables all the powersaving stuff
I got the x for the way better cooler and higher stock clocks. I don't plan on screwing around with clocks this time. I just want to slap it together and use my free time on other things.
 

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IPC results vs Summit Ridge:

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Excluding 256b (not common for regular user), we are looking at single-digit IPC difference now. Spectre/Meltdown fixes dropped Intel a bit. PR added ~1.5% according to TheStilt (less than the 3% AMD claimed, but still something).
The "~3%" claimed by AMD is for CB15ST. The Stilt got a 2.6% in CB15ST.

The 1.5% reported by The Stilt is the average over all the workloads.

Spectre/Meltdown fixes were applied in the former review where Skylake IPC was 15% ahead of Zen. PR is a 1.5% faster, so the graphs would show a 13% performance gap. The newest review shows only 8%. It seems there was some problems with recentest firmware updates that crippled performance on Intel chips by huge amounts as 20% in some workloads.

So the real IPC gap must be in the >10% range.

Very interesting the rest of the review. He confirms Pinnacle Ridge has the same "Zen cores" than Raven Ridge, confirming my long-time claim that "Zen+" was a marketing rebrand for existing Zen cores.

He confirms the real TDP of the 2700X is 140W, not 105W. AMD lied again about TDPs as they did with first gen Ryzen.

He confirms 12LP is nowhere what Glofo promised. Instead the promised >10% improvements at ISOpower, the process gives only 3.65% improvements (4.4% peak).

You also seem to ignore this part:

4.2GHz and even slightly higher frequencies will be possible, however achieving those frequencies outside brief benchmarking runs will most likely require a non-AIO watercooling setup, a top tier motherboard and potentially increasing the voltage to levels which is unsafe to the silicon.
I wonder if your excuse now will be again that "the user sucks at OC", instead just admitting that 12LP is a marketing rebrand for an minor extension of 14LPP (12nm=14nm+), as I have been saying during months.
 

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I wonder if your excuse now will be again that "the user sucks at OC", instead just admitting that 12LP is a marketing rebrand for an minor extension of 14LPP (12nm=14nm+), as I have been saying during months.
Well, we're about to find out. I'm playing with a 2700X right now on my desk :).

Also, you seem to have me confused with somebody else on that last bit. I never disputed GloFo's manufacturing process rebrand with you - though I disputed most everything else. Are you thinking of OrangeKrush, perhaps?
 

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Looks like a great all around CPU out of the box. Wish all the 8700k OC numbers were in there. Small gains from Ryzen 1xxx and not worth upgrading if you have a Ryzen 7 1xxx already ($300+$300=$600 on CPUs in 1 year). Was hoping for 4.5ghz average chip OC since it moved to 12nm... I'm really looking forward to Ryzen 3xxx and Intel 10th Gen for an upgrade and how about some dang GPUs!! Honestly, I don't "need" any upgrades.

Good to have competition back. What's interesting is looking at the Steam CPU usage by manufacturer (Oct '16 - March '18), Intel gained small, but steady usage since the Ryzen 1xxx launch in April '17 and Intel gained a lot of ground since the 8th Gen CPUs launched in Oct '17. This is not indicative of pure CPU sales, but still interesting and may show that media attention around CPUs helped Intel sale even more CPUs to PC GAMERS. Has the Red Team actually helped the Blue Team sell even more CPUs to PC gamers?
 

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Looks like a great all around CPU out of the box. Wish all the 8700k OC numbers where in there. Small gains from Ryzen 1xxx and not worth upgrading if you have a Ryzen 7 1xxx already ($300+$300=$600 on CPUs in 1 year). Was hoping for 4.5ghz average chip OC since it moved to 12nm... I'm really looking forward to Ryzen 3xxx and Intel 10th Gen for an upgrade and how about some dang GPUs!! Honestly, I don't "need" any upgrades.

Good to have competition back. What's interesting is looking at the Steam CPU usage by manufacturer (Oct '16 - March '18), Intel gained small, but steady usage since the Ryzen 1xxx launch in April '17 and Intel gained a lot of ground since the 8th Gen CPUs launched in Oct '17. This is not indicative of pure CPU sales, but still interesting and may show that media attention around CPUs helped Intel sale even more CPUs to PC GAMERS. Has the Red Team actually helped the Blue Team sell even more CPUs to PC gamers?

Pretty sure that big jump was due to China being let in to steam. Well documented elsewhere.
 

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I'm gonna pick up a 2700 or 2700x (haven't decided yet) at MC soon. I was just going to get one of the $100 AB350 boards (Asrock or Asus) since I'm not going to be overclocking much/any... and I don't SLI. Any other critical reason I just HAVE to spend another $100+ on a x470 board? I'm not dropping over $200 on 16gb of ram so that will probably top out around 3000mhz.
 

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does it boost 4.1 on all 8 cores? Iam thinking running at stock and not even bothering with overclocking 65w tdp in a itx system for 8c/16t sounds great
 

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Well, we're about to find out. I'm playing with a 2700X right now on my desk :).

Also, you seem to have me confused with somebody else on that last bit. I never disputed GloFo's manufacturing process rebrand with you - though I disputed most everything else. Are you thinking of OrangeKrush, perhaps?
Just watching your thread now. But remember that The Stilt numbers are for a population of chips he tested, whereas you have only a chip at hand.

It is possible that I am confounding you with OrangeKrush or someone else. Apologies for that.

Who is "The Stilt"?? Which review are you referring to ?
https://hwbot.org/user/the_stilt/

I refer to the review mentioned by DuronBurgerMan in post #116
 
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