I don't like 16:9. I don't like 1080p and I hate TN but I am really itching to try 120hz and have read many goods things about it on this monitor. I am thinking of selling my U3011 and 2007FP monitors and going for this BenQ XL2420T 120hz. I play a lot of counter strike and fps games. To the people who bought the XL2420T and said they would never go back to 60hz, do you still feel the same?
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Am I crazy going from U3011 to XL2420T?
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If you hate TN and 1080p, go korean. I haven't used one, but apparently they are amazing. I don't have the budget for a 120hz setup (only one 7970, first world problems), but if i ever get the opportunity to try a 120hz monitor, im sure id like it. Personally, i like 30 inch monitors. Both are expensive though. I would go the korean route if i were you
You'd be stark-raving mad to drop from 30" to 24". Get a 27" panel if you want to go 120hz. I have the Samsung 950D, superb gaming panel. The only drawback is the TN technology but you soon adjust to it. And what you have heard is correct, once you've had 120hz you will never go back to 60hz.
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I don't want to go Korean as they are IPS and overclocking them to 120hz defeats the purpose as you need fast TN pixels and low input lag to make 120hz smooth. I think one 7970 is fine for 120hz.
I've looked at the others but I want the BenQ as it's the fastest monitor and as good as it gets purely for FPS games, that's what's drawing me in.
No offense but I really don't like the 950D as it's 1080p too low for a 27" for me and I don't like the design, it's glossy and looks like a sewing machine and I don't think the bezel of a monitor should have things attached to it, should be slim as possible and square. Going from 30" to 24" sucks but why play games on a big slow 30" it can't be as fun as a fast 24" and getting sick headshots, killing sprees etc.
I've looked at the others but I want the BenQ as it's the fastest monitor and as good as it gets purely for FPS games, that's what's drawing me in.
No offense but I really don't like the 950D as it's 1080p too low for a 27" for me and I don't like the design, it's glossy and looks like a sewing machine and I don't think the bezel of a monitor should have things attached to it, should be slim as possible and square. Going from 30" to 24" sucks but why play games on a big slow 30" it can't be as fun as a fast 24" and getting sick headshots, killing sprees etc.
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I just went from a 3007wfp-hc to a samsung 23inch 120hz and im very happy. Been getting back into first person shooters. You really can barly tell the samsung is a TN. The viewing angles are great. I really love the glossly screen. I never really thought about how the AG coating on the dell affected the picture. But it does and I will always go glossy from now on. I didnt realize how much.i missed higher fps since its been 5 years since my sony 24inch crt died. Its a world of difrence and ill never go back. Now i just have to pick up anoughter 7970 to be happy with my fps 
. Oh and the ppi is almost the same on the 23@1080p as the 30@1600p. I really dont notice the res drop at all.
. Oh and the ppi is almost the same on the 23@1080p as the 30@1600p. I really dont notice the res drop at all.The BenQ has more ghosting than most 120hz displays. It has the lowest/fastest pixel response times, but the overdrive is over aggressively applied and causes overshoot.
Pretty much every single user of multiple 120hz displays will repeat what I'm saying. I've owned 5x 120hz displays and the BenQ was the only one with ghosting issues and it had the worst colours.
Pretty much every single user of multiple 120hz displays will repeat what I'm saying. I've owned 5x 120hz displays and the BenQ was the only one with ghosting issues and it had the worst colours.
If you are superhuman then you are better served by a CRT than any TN panel, even the 2420T. Our [H]ardest gamer, Vega, has recently named the OC Koreans the best gaming monitor aal-around, and that's on triple screens setups.
Why joking on the "superhuman"?
-Because human reaction time is around 200ms.
-Because human perception time is 20ms
-Because at 120Hz a frame lasts around 8,33ms
-The "speed gap" of 4ms from a 2ms TN to a 6ms IPS it is less than half a frame, and this at 120-Hz. Even if a superhuman sight and perception time could see a 4ms gap the graphics and the monitor would still wait the full 8,33ms between frames.
-IPS panels benefit more from overdrive than TNs, after all there is not much space for improvement when you are already at 2ms (and that's believing on the imaginary 2ms that the maker rates the panel). A 50% overdrive on 2ms makes it "1ms"- not even the greatest superhuman FSP player would be idiot enough to claim that he ( it?) can perceive this diference on blind test. But when the overdrive makes a 12ms panel react at 4ms ( like Benq's AMA does to the AMVA panel) well, that's is almost a full frame of improvement at 120Hz. HECK maybe even 0,0000000001% of humans could effectively received a gaming advantage on this situation.
So no Bratman, you are NOT crazy going from 30" 1600p IPS to 24" 1080p TN.
You are crazy of NOT going from the 24"TN to a CRT!
Jesus, i have been years reading arguments in favor of 60+ fps graphics muscle for 60Hz monitors, only to see that urban legend replaced by this new one "TNs grant a competitive advatage over IPS, even if both panels are at 120Hz"
So, my [H] friends, lets start the flaming wars:
Can a human being gain any mensurable competitive gaming advantage when gaming at 120Hz using a TN over IPS?
The numbers above, and screen pictures taken at 1/320 of a second with pixperan imply that not only the theoretical time gap in response time is waaayyyy below the human perception time, but also that it is below a single frame at 120Hz.
As far as input lag goes i concede: Benq has been making some amazing panels, capable not only of less than a frame of total input at 60Hz, but recently breaking the 1 frame barrier at 120Hz (for all that is worth, since superhumans should play on CRT and avoid being "slowed" by TFTs
) on the GW2450. But we are not arguing input lag, the point is response time, ghosting and human brain timings.Nice post but I don't want the best all-round gaming monitor I want the fastest regardless of colour. I wouldn't drop from U3011 to get a little faster but the BenQ seems perfect for Counter Strike and Quake, very precision driven games. I remember going to a fast TN panel before and people say we can't see more than 60hz and 200ms but I can feel it with my mouse very easily the difference, it all adds up as small things.
Also I don't mind about overshoot if it makes it feel faster and less blurry which I've heard the BenQ is unmatched in raw speed.
Makeroflostsouls - Did you hate going from 30" to 23"? I will miss PLP too and I don't have a TV but it is sounding worth it for gaming.
Also I don't mind about overshoot if it makes it feel faster and less blurry which I've heard the BenQ is unmatched in raw speed.
Makeroflostsouls - Did you hate going from 30" to 23"? I will miss PLP too and I don't have a TV but it is sounding worth it for gaming.
You seem locked onto the BenQ. Are there any brick and mortars around with 120Hz on display for you to see for yourself? It seems as though you're willing to gamble a lot to see if something works for you, when it's quite possible you're wandering into diminishing returns.
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I have the S23A750D also and I love it. Had it about a week now and I'm not missing the 30 at all. I just moved my monitor a little closer to me. I also had a PLP setup.
Don't you miss the side screens though? I have foobar on one and steam on the other, so good. Don't you miss 16:10? Why did you sell your PLP, for 120hz or downsizing?
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I didn't use the side monitors for my personal desktop. They were for work only hooked up to a difrent computer, I still have them. If PLP was suported for multie monitor gaming I would have kept it. This monitor is used for gaming web surfing only. 16:10 isn't missed to much. I really like 120hz that much but I can really tell the difrence in FPS always have been able to. Had a 100hz+ CRT for as long as I can remeber(untill I got the 3007wfp-hc). Even the desktop feels smoother and snappier.
but I can really tell the difrence in FPS always have been able to. Had a 100hz+ CRT for as long as I can remeber(untill I got the 3007wfp-hc). Even the desktop feels smoother and snappier.Makeroflostsouls
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I have a full theater with 120inch screen and dlp projector I game on it some times to mostly just racing games where I can use my xbox controler.
I game on it some times to mostly just racing games where I can use my xbox controler.CORRECT.
1440p@120hz are not available for sale.
But we have plenty of 1080p 27"IPS capable of 100+Hz on sale.
And the flaming bait is still there: at 120hz, does it really matters if it is TN or IPS?
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I have watched a few 1080p clips on the samsung and looks really good for movies.
Well, I've enjoyed Eyefinity, but I'm actually moving to an Overlord OC that's on the boat from Hong Kong as we speak. I'm actually hoping to move to a single main screen that satisfies my gaming enjoyment while still keeping a couple of these for extended desktop for productivity while avoiding some of the issues I've had with my eyefinity from time to time. Also, it's my understanding that IPS doesn't have a ton of lag as long as there is no scaler to slow things down. But you should probably check some reviews and such.
So, yes, I think 120Hz is worth it... and I went for 3x 120Hz and that was moving from 3x U2410s.
Playing Eyefinity BF3 with over 60FPS... things look nice.
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If the XL2420T was the only available 120hz monitor I'd go back to 60hz in a heartbeat.
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Yes, I had one and sent it back one the same day.
The best regular one would be the older LG W2363D I guess.
Colors aren't too good but pixel response time is the fastest I've ever seen (apart from CRTs).
I personally use a 120hz Catleap because its the best all-around monitor right now.
This is my problem as well, I would LOVE TO HAVE 120hz....just not on some little ass resolution (I game on my 3008WFP and don't want to go backwards).
Internet data mining spiders, please take this request as a mass consumer demand.
NOPE, it is NOT faster. Aty least not in any measurable way for your brain.
No matter how fast the magic TN monitor is, it still have to wait 8.22ms to start showing the next picture at 120hz
And that is assuming the superhuman brain could perceive that a new frame is showing, after all human perception gap is 20ms.
Comparing a 2ms TN to a 6ms IPS at 120Hz:
0ms>here comes new frame
1ms> panels respongins
2ms> TN panel finishes showing new pixels
6ms> IPS panel finishes showing new pixels
8.33ms> here comes new picture
10.33ms> TN panel updated
14.33ms> IPS panel updated
16.66ms> here comes new picture
...
20ms> your brain finally receives your eyes message, informing that a new picture is ready for reaction
but wait, your brain is reacting to the frame sent at 0ms!!
yeap, at 120Hz your brain is at least 3 full frames BEHIND the slow IPS panel
shame on your neurons...200ms you finally click on the mouse button
Soo as long as pixel respond time stays below human perception times it is moot to argue about gaming advantages from TN over IPS. And as long as pixel respond time stays below the refresh rate, ghosting is reduced to acceptable levels. No wonder pixperan pictures show almost no difference between modern IPS and TN
How much money do you make per year in competitive gaming?
NOPE, it is NOT faster. Aty least not in any measurable way for your brain.
No matter how fast the magic TN monitor is, it still have to wait 8.22ms to start showing the next picture at 120hz
And that is assuming the superhuman brain could perceive that a new frame is showing, after all human perception gap is 20ms.
Comparing a 2ms TN to a 6ms IPS at 120Hz:
0ms>here comes new frame
1ms> panels respongins
2ms> TN panel finishes showing new pixels
6ms> IPS panel finishes showing new pixels
8.33ms> here comes new picture
10.33ms> TN panel updated
14.33ms> IPS panel updated
16.66ms> here comes new picture
...
20ms> your brain finally receives your eyes message, informing that a new picture is ready for reaction
but wait, your brain is reacting to the frame sent at 0ms!!
yeap, at 120Hz your brain is at least 3 full frames BEHIND the slow IPS panel
...200ms you finally click on the mouse button
Soo as long as pixel respond time stays below human perception times it is moot to argue about gaming advantages from TN over IPS. And as long as pixel respond time stays below the refresh rate, ghosting is reduced to acceptable levels. No wonder pixperan pictures show almost no difference between modern IPS and TN
I understand but I can feel the difference very easily and this U3011 is not good for online gaming, yeah great for single player but not fast online games.
Not possible unless you got over 10k free
What is $10,000? just curious...lol.
I 100% agree with you: U3011 is NOT amongst the bets options for 30"gaming. Try HP or Hazro, or go 27"1440p.
Is the Hazro HZ30Wi e/f even available in North America?
Now that I hear that, I wonder if my Dell 3008WFP is worse or better in terms of lag than a U3011, anyone know?
But it's only £1566.93 per month.
It's slightly worse according to tftcentral the reviewer said it was small but there. I'm selling the U3011 to my friend for £600 and waiting for a good 27" 120hz, doesn't have to be 1440p. U3011 is way overpriced for what it is anyways.
It's slightly worse according to tftcentral the reviewer said it was small but there. I'm selling the U3011 to my friend for £600 and waiting for a good 27" 120hz, doesn't have to be 1440p. U3011 is way overpriced for what it is anyways.