Yeah. I have been geting calls about health insurance from the same spammer. I have blocked 8 different numbers. I will implement one of these apps. I really don't need anyone calling me ever unless I like them.
 
I don't know who I want to stab in the face more, these robocall scumbags or Ajit Pai. That screencap is awful.

I also don't know how we stop this. The punishments need to be far more severe, obviously the risk is worth it right now for these companies.

the problem is most calls don't originate from the usa, or at least not from a phone switch in the USA. So they can't fine them.

Honestly, if we could remove the phone number as a mandatory info point on forms, I think I could get along in life fine without traditional voice calling.

doesn't matter. They don't call based on that. I work at a telephone company and watch these types of calls coming in. At time they will call 555-555-1111 then 1112, then 1113. Or they will just call 100 random numbers at once. They call my test phones a few times a week that are numbers that have never been published and never been numbers used by anyone in the entire time telephone numbers have existed

Should not be so hard to make a captcha like software for phones

Pones software picks up but to no alert phone owner
Phone: Hi you are an unregonized caller. please type in what {Random number} plus {random number} is and end with {pound or star}
Robocall: THank you for chossing marioan hotel.....
Phone: you have not solved the Mathpuzzel. goodnight *hangs up*.
Optinaelle Phones send number to database that when its get enough reported numbers its reports it for investigation or just blocks it.


I've been wanting to make this for years but know zero about phone programming
off cause it would need a constans upgrade with new puzzles forms but i think ts could be fairly cheap solutions
- Please type in which order the color RED appers on the following list: green blue purple red orange blue
- Which of the following items are an tranprotaion device: 1-table 2-bicycle 3-microwave 4-Speakers

etc etc

they have stuff like that in a way. one of the services that I can offer my customers is a feature that when somebody calls before it rings their phone the caller has to state their name and hit a certain key, failing to do so would just end the call.

Sadly, the simple easy solution is for all outgoing calls to incur a fixed cost, say 25 cents. Doesn't require high tech solutions. The average person doesn't make that many phone calls anymore and maybe the first 50 per month could be included in a cell/data plan. If a million spam calls start costing $250,000 to make, the numbers would go down a lot. Under the current anywhere for free calls are data setup, spam calls are essentially free to make as they consume very little data.

you must be a young child, per minute long distance is a thing. Everyone just started to go with unlimited which was good for the average user as it saves them money, but did open the door to stuff like this.
 
Comcast uses a 3rd party service to block robo calls. The phone rings once to let you know its a robo call. This has made it easier. Now when the phone rings, most of the time its a legit call.

But maybe we need a white list. After someone calls you. You have the option to put them on the white list.
 
the problem is most calls don't originate from the usa, or at least not from a phone switch in the USA. So they can't fine them.



doesn't matter. They don't call based on that. I work at a telephone company and watch these types of calls coming in. At time they will call 555-555-1111 then 1112, then 1113. Or they will just call 100 random numbers at once. They call my test phones a few times a week that are numbers that have never been published and never been numbers used by anyone in the entire time telephone numbers have existed



they have stuff like that in a way. one of the services that I can offer my customers is a feature that when somebody calls before it rings their phone the caller has to state their name and hit a certain key, failing to do so would just end the call.



you must be a young child, per minute long distance is a thing. Everyone just started to go with unlimited which was good for the average user as it saves them money, but did open the door to stuff like this.
You make good points. Can anything be done? Or is this just the future, where we will eventually reach a point where every phone in the world rings constantly from the trillions of robo call centers that cannot be stopped?
 
I have not really bothered with listening to them at all lately (just hang up on them, or don't answer).

I just don't answer the phone. At all. Ever. Unless the number is in my phone book and its someone I know and want to talk to. And even then I might not answer. If it is important, they'll leave a message.
 
I guarantee if you can give the customer recourse to fine the carrier for every spam call by dialing a code after getting the spam call, and the only way the Carrier can legally deffer the cost is to charge that back to the rightful spam caller not just the spoofed number, that they will have a way to do this in short order. OR they will only allow calls that originate from the US to have US numbers then they will enforce a policy of exposing the true number of the caller to the carrier.

This is almost exactly like IP spoofing. If a call is coming over an international trunk reflecting a local number it should be dropped immediately.

THEN you enforce national carrier anti spoofing mechinisims. Where if someone spoofs 1. It's against the law. 2. they can be fined or the agency supporting the spoofing can be fined.

Guess what happens then? You guessed it.. 90% of the problem is solved. I don't understand why this is so flipping difficult. (It isn't it just isn't financially motivated to the carriers.)
 
I don't know who I want to stab in the face more, these robocall scumbags or Ajit Pai. That screencap is awful.

I also don't know how we stop this. The punishments need to be far more severe, obviously the risk is worth it right now for these companies.

I would prosecute you for the violence you're publicly advocating against a public official. Consider your post forwarded.
 
Really? I'll be sure to include the /s for now on, just for you.

Fine. I'm tired of the acceptance of public threats against Trump, Trump supporters, or those in the Trump administration.

The /s is a copout. If you post a violent meme, a threat, or otherwise bring physical threats to the fore, you deserve to be investigated and prosecuted, if warranted. I'm happy to oblige.
 
Why wait until 2019? I already get at least 2 or 3 of those every day or so. (High, this is Ann) Credit card this, health insurance that...……..
 
Fine. I'm tired of the acceptance of public threats against Trump, Trump supporters, or those in the Trump administration.

The /s is a copout. If you post a violent meme, a threat, or otherwise bring physical threats to the fore, you deserve to be investigated and prosecuted, if warranted. I'm happy to oblige.
Alright fair enough, I apologize, but of course what's done is done. Immaterial, but I also do not like all the threats, I'm pretty happy with Trump but I do not like Pai so you got me there, but I didn't see my comment in the same vein. I perceived it directed toward the screencap that just looked awful, and the faceless robocallers that can't be approached anyway. Whole internet thing, wish I could stab you in the face comment, wasn't malicious. Personally, I believed my want to do x phrasing to be different from threats such as x better watch out, I'm going to do x, and everyone should make life hard for x. Suppose we gotta take everything serious these days, you never know.
 
Fine. I'm tired of the acceptance of public threats against Trump, Trump supporters, or those in the Trump administration.

The /s is a copout. If you post a violent meme, a threat, or otherwise bring physical threats to the fore, you deserve to be investigated and prosecuted, if warranted. I'm happy to oblige.

It has about the same damn weight of someone say. "Man I'd kill for one of X product." Get over yourself. Otherwise you will be part of the 4th reich when they take over.
 
Alright fair enough, I apologize, but of course what's done is done. Immaterial, but I also do not like all the threats, I'm pretty happy with Trump but I do not like Pai so you got me there, but I didn't see my comment in the same vein. I perceived it directed toward the screencap that just looked awful, and the faceless robocallers that can't be approached anyway. Whole internet thing, wish I could stab you in the face comment, wasn't malicious. Personally, I believed my want to do x phrasing to be different from threats such as x better watch out, I'm going to do x, and everyone should make life hard for x. Suppose we gotta take everything serious these days, you never know.

https://tips.fbi.gov/

Robespierre and the terror was the first step. Mob violence has since been adopted as a tactic by all left-wing tyrannists. The Marxist/anarchists, Communists, Socialists, NAZIs, all these left-wingers have used public violence and threat of it to "win the street". Media and social media is the new "street". The consistent left-wing attacks in public, in memes, in media, in "entertainment" are an assault on the rule of law and order. Every time a socialist makes a statement of violence about Trump or a Trump supporter, substitute the word "Obama" or "Michelle" for their target, and then imagine what the left-wing machinery would do to the individual who communicated such a threat. That bimbo "comedienne" who held a model of Trump's severed head? Imagine if that were done of Obama during his administration.

You're part of the problem if you post "stab him in the face".
 
It has about the same damn weight of someone say. "Man I'd kill for one of X product." Get over yourself. Otherwise you will be part of the 4th reich when they take over.

No, it does not. It communicates a direct image of physical violence directed towards a specific individual.

If you cannot see the difference, you're an idiot.

If you see the difference but argue against it, you're a left-wing ideologue.
 
https://tips.fbi.gov/

Robespierre and the terror was the first step. Mob violence has since been adopted as a tactic by all left-wing tyrannists. The Marxist/anarchists, Communists, Socialists, NAZIs, all these left-wingers have used public violence and threat of it to "win the street". Media and social media is the new "street". The consistent left-wing attacks in public, in memes, in media, in "entertainment" are an assault on the rule of law and order. Every time a socialist makes a statement of violence about Trump or a Trump supporter, substitute the word "Obama" or "Michelle" for their target, and then imagine what the left-wing machinery would do to the individual who communicated such a threat. That bimbo "comedienne" who held a model of Trump's severed head? Imagine if that were done of Obama during his administration.

You're part of the problem if you post "stab him in the face".
Wow. I think this is getting too political for front page, but I'll say this. I think your spot on. I agree the left would have gone bananas with a staged Obama head. It's quite the double standard. However, I'm not left leaning at all. I didn't call for, or advocate violence. It should have been funny, and a lot of people liked it, so maybe it was to some. It wasn't to you. I'll reflect on this and be more selective in the future, but let's not get you crazy and outright try to ban every potential phrase that you find threatening. That kind of restriction of speech is a lot more left thinking. I screwed up, but I'm no left wing anything.
 
This won't help at all as they simply auto dial ALL numbers. I highly doubt they follow some list, I'm sure they build one when someone picks up but initial calls are likely just random or incremental across all numbers.

Correct.

That's the thing about robocalls. You build a script, put it on a loop, add a +1 increment, dial out to the incremented number, if they make a menu selection, they move on to the next condition in the programming.

Some can use forms to save some time, some don't. But really, if you have a computer calling out repeatedly...why save time? You're not paying anyone's labor, you're leaving a computer on to dial everyone, which is what happens.
 
Wow. I think this is getting too political for front page, but I'll say this. I think your spot on. I agree the left would have gone bananas with a staged Obama head. It's quite the double standard. However, I'm not left leaning at all. I didn't call for, or advocate violence. It should have been funny, and a lot of people liked it, so maybe it was to some. It wasn't to you. I'll reflect on this and be more selective in the future, but let's not get you crazy and outright try to ban every potential phrase that you find threatening. That kind of restriction of speech is a lot more left thinking. I screwed up, but I'm no left wing anything.

I'm not getting "crazy" or trying to "ban every potential phrase" that I find threatening. I'm trying to end the casual acceptance of violent speech and violent imagery being directed at Trump, Trump supporters, and those in the Trump administration.

Silence is consent.

I will stay silent no more.

I thank you for your apology.
 
This would be a good start, but it only takes one shady company in control of a phone number list to leak it to everyone, and your number will always be on some list.

This won't help at all as they simply auto dial ALL numbers. I highly doubt they follow some list, I'm sure they build one when someone picks up but initial calls are likely just random or incremental across all numbers.

the problem is most calls don't originate from the usa, or at least not from a phone switch in the USA. So they can't fine them.



doesn't matter. They don't call based on that. I work at a telephone company and watch these types of calls coming in. At time they will call 555-555-1111 then 1112, then 1113. Or they will just call 100 random numbers at once. They call my test phones a few times a week that are numbers that have never been published and never been numbers used by anyone in the entire time telephone numbers have existed



they have stuff like that in a way. one of the services that I can offer my customers is a feature that when somebody calls before it rings their phone the caller has to state their name and hit a certain key, failing to do so would just end the call.



you must be a young child, per minute long distance is a thing. Everyone just started to go with unlimited which was good for the average user as it saves them money, but did open the door to stuff like this.

I think I mis-wrote. :D
To put it another way, the convenience of being able to be contacted by an arbitrary number is quickly becoming annoying to the point where I would rather not use the system. There are several other methods of contacting people with voice other than the antiquated phone network that facilitate the majority of my communications as it is.

And this isn't even taking some "off the grid" extremist position. The phone network just sucks due to abuse and no real way to fix it. Hopefully this gets some "new age market disruption."
 
Most of these problems are solvable, but they have to be corrected at an international level.

I don't think it's unreasonable to require a .25 trunk fee for international calls unless there is a regional agreement. If that's too burdensome for your business, you should be using the internet better. I don't think it's unreasonable for an ISP that moves data from an IP system into the phone system to need to know who the caller is, and retain that information for XX months. I don't think it's unreasonable that all sales and marketing calls to US citizens must originate within the United States. I don't think it's unreasonable to make spoofing numbers illegal - the system, by definition, has to know who the two parties are that it is connecting. I don't think it's unreasonable to require sales, marketing or other garbage calls be performed by a human being.

I realize there are loopholes inside all these problems, my point is, we aren't working to close the loopholes and we aren't prosecuting the wrongdoers. This is information flowing through a system, it doesn't have value in a vacuum.


P.S. Don't have time to clarify my position, and by the time I finished clarifying it would stop being a post and become a soapbox. My point is, no one at the telecom level is working on this, and no one at the government level seems to care (much).
 
I like that my Moto android phone says "Scam Likely", I wish I could just block all of those in 1 step instead of blocking individual numbers. I do use my phone for work but now it's 90% scam calls... if they even do leave a message it's to talk about extended auto warranty, or it's a lady talking in Chinese (or some other Asian language I don't understand), or the IRS is filing a lawsuit against me.

It's super annoying when I'm in the car and it rings on the bluetooth.. my car display shows a # but not the "scam likely" so I still have to look down and mess with my phone while driving, which I hate.

This was not nearly as big of a problem 2-3 years ago.... the random charity would call or the political election robocaller things.
 
I'm more interested in STIR/SHAKEN tech than just fining US companies who spoof. We desperately need a technology that certifies and verifies call authenticity.

Wow. I think this is getting too political for front page....
I don't think you needed to apologize. That sentiment is real. Maybe he should stick to FOX news comments section if reality is too much for him.
 
I really hope someone figures this out soon, I've been getting 30-40 robocalls a week for years now. I have 443 blocked numbers and the list keeps growing. I found the best way is to never actively do anything, just let it go to voicemail.


It has about the same damn weight of someone say. "Man I'd kill for one of X product." Get over yourself. Otherwise you will be part of the 4th reich when they take over.

If you think you're the morally upright one that would have REEEEEsisted and not become a Nazi in 1939 you think far too highly of yourself. You would do exactly what everyone else did, which was go along with it and not eat a lead sandwich.
 
I miss the old days when a human made the telemarketing calls. With the robo calls you have to wait for a human. My goal is to get them on the phone and screw with them. Typically I will wait for them to do their whole pitch and then I jump in with a pitch of my own. I frequently try to sell them large rocks from my backyard. Anything that is completely useless, it's fun to mess with them. I get a little entertainment for them wasting my time.
 
I'm more interested in STIR/SHAKEN tech than just fining US companies who spoof. We desperately need a technology that certifies and verifies call authenticity.


I don't think you needed to apologize. That sentiment is real. Maybe he should stick to FOX news comments section if reality is too much for him.

This is a typical approach by left-wing socialists. You have tried to demean me: "...he should stick to FOX news comments section if reality is too much for him." The reality of a violent image of a specific, named, individual being stabbed in the face is not "too much for me". That statement of violence is a prosecutable felony. I will not let it slide.

Instead, you're saying that the "that sentiment is real", and therefore it's okay to publicly advocate it. You don't like the policies of the FCC? Cry me a river. Maybe, instead of getting your panties so wadded up that you support stabbing a specific individual in the face, you should put on your own big boy pants and get over yourself. I suggest you should stick to Rachel Maddow and The View. They'll give you the emotional support you're so desperately searching for.

Or, you could recognize that the rule of law and the acceptance of electoral outcomes is the glue that binds this nation together.
 
You would not believe how easy it is to spoof CIDs (Caller IDs). I can do it inside 5 minutes and spoof my number as being any number, even nonsensical ones, and call you, anywhere in the world, from my desk.

Honestly, I don't know what took so long for this to start taking off as a scam avenue. This has been around for literally decades.
 
I really hope someone figures this out soon, I've been getting 30-40 robocalls a week for years now. I have 443 blocked numbers and the list keeps growing. I found the best way is to never actively do anything, just let it go to voicemail.




If you think you're the morally upright one that would have REEEEEsisted and not become a Nazi in 1939 you think far too highly of yourself. You would do exactly what everyone else did, which was go along with it and not eat a lead sandwich.

I guess as long as you've accepted your new role with no resistance.
 
No, it does not. It communicates a direct image of physical violence directed towards a specific individual.

If you cannot see the difference, you're an idiot.

If you see the difference but argue against it, you're a left-wing ideologue.

I'm glad to see that anyone that disagrees with you is either stupid or a communist. So if you disagree with me you must be a racist and a bigot right? Let's not make idiotic generalizations and then we can all get along and actually have a conversation. But not you though. I've already blocked you because I don't come here to deal with your brand of hatred.
 
I'm glad to see that anyone that disagrees with you is either stupid or a communist. So if you disagree with me you must be a racist and a bigot right? Let's not make idiotic generalizations and then we can all get along and actually have a conversation. But not you though. I've already blocked you because I don't come here to deal with your brand of hatred.

How about you not do all of the things you just said and stop being a hypocrite and then we'll all work on it, yeah? So quick to call everyone else nazis but gets mad when anyone talks back about it. Amazing.
 
I'm glad to see that anyone that disagrees with you is either stupid or a communist. So if you disagree with me you must be a racist and a bigot right? Let's not make idiotic generalizations and then we can all get along and actually have a conversation. But not you though. I've already blocked you because I don't come here to deal with your brand of hatred.

You are wrong.

Let me take your first response where you said: "It has about the same damn weight of someone say. "Man I'd kill for one of X product." Get over yourself. Otherwise you will be part of the 4th reich when they take over."

Using your logic, that equates these two statements:

"I'd love to get laid right now."
"I'm gonna dose up with 200mg of Viagra, wait until Grimlaking leaves his house at 123 Main Street, Anytown, USA for work, and then kick down his door, bend his wife over their kitchen table and rape her for a few hours."

See the difference? One is generic, one is specific and targeted.

The left-wing and socialists have long used distortions and perversions of logic to isolate those who oppose their thirst for power and dominance. Mob violence is a useful tool of theirs. Your posts do not respond to logic, but rather use distortions and try to demean me.

You are part of the problem.

I have no hatred. You do.

Edited to add: the proof is in your posts. Your first post implied that I am a Nazi (which is ironic, since Nazi is an abbreviation for the German "National Socialist Workers Democratic Party") by saying I'd be part of the 4th Reich. Your next post called me a bigot and a racist.
 
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How about you not do all of the things you just said and stop being a hypocrite and then we'll all work on it, yeah? So quick to call everyone else nazis but gets mad when anyone talks back about it. Amazing.

Feeling a bit targeted? That wasn't directed at you mind you. And if you look I didn't call anyone anything. I think you're referencing the guy I blocked.
 
I love scam calls. I like keeping them on the phone and playing dumb.
I set up a special extension for them at work, "666", where it just plays the phone ringing sound to them until they give up. I'm thinking about setting up one at home that just plays a random PornHub video at 1000% volume.
 
I set up a special extension for them at work, "666", where it just plays the phone ringing sound to them until they give up. I'm thinking about setting up one at home that just plays a random PornHub video at 1000% volume.

LOL. Set up one that uses the Arnold Soundboard.
 
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