All AMD Ryzen CPUs to be Unlocked

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Release date, release date, release date!?!?!? ;) :D Need to ask for some time off to make a 3 hour trip to Microcenter, cannot wait! :)
 

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Yep, this is sounding too good to be true.

\Patiently waiting for benchmarks/price
 

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I may have eluded to this in another post somewhere but this may not be that big of a deal if the engineering process is leading them to release chips that are already close to maxed from the factory. I think we still need to see retail samples in the hands of reviewers before this is worth getting excited about, if they're already highly optimized and an unlocked multiplier nets you <5% then *shrug*
 

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I may have eluded to this in another post somewhere but this may not be that big of a deal if the engineering process is leading them to release chips that are already close to maxed from the factory. I think we still need to see retail samples in the hands of reviewers before this is worth getting excited about, if they're already highly optimized and an unlocked multiplier nets you <5% then *shrug*

Damn you and your rational comments! Next you'll be screaming about pre-ordering games...:rolleyes:
 

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If all the chips are more or less the same you might get some great results from cheaper models, if there is heavy binning going on then you're probably going to get at most 10% unless you crank voltage or make drastic changes like disabling features or cores. Might get lucky on some of the top sku, but if enough of them could run at an extra 400 mhz they'd probably create a new sku... so I wouldn't think a lot of chips have much extra to give. Just saying it might be a case of leaving it unlocked because there's nowhere to go anyways.
 

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Even if they are already pushing the chips it doesn't mean they would make a new SKU if they could squeak 400mhz extra out... The fact is they want to try to stay within that 95TDP marker. The fact that they are at 95TDP with stock cooling hitting 3.4 to 3.6 and 4ghz on turbo tells me that with a high end cooler and some more power you could get some decent clocks here. What I am interested in is this autoclocking feature that they are talking about. With a really good cooler what are we going to see the chips push them selves to. For me there are too many question marks that still loom. I really haven't heard much about the memory controller and I am really skeptical about flagship motherboards right out of the gate. I will likely wait until the marketplace is a bit more stable in regards to what boards/manufacturers are actually cranking out. I don't pulling away from from a 6600k as far as gaming is concerned so I am in no hurry.
 
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If all the chips are more or less the same you might get some great results from cheaper models, if there is heavy binning going on then you're probably going to get at most 10% unless you crank voltage or make drastic changes like disabling features or cores. Might get lucky on some of the top sku, but if enough of them could run at an extra 400 mhz they'd probably create a new sku... so I wouldn't think a lot of chips have much extra to give. Just saying it might be a case of leaving it unlocked because there's nowhere to go anyways.

Being a brand new architecture on a new process, I would say that heavy binning is likely all but guaranteed, at least at first.

Down the road, yields will probably improve, making overclocked lower end parts one hell of a bargain, but at launch I wouldn't expect this.
 

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I still can't work up any enthusiasm for all these announcements. I really need to see some unbiased reviews of off-the-shelf hardware before I can get excited.

Unlocked is great if the chip can handle the extra speed. If it's like the "overclocker's dream" of AMD's other products that can barely manage a stable 5-10% OC with a custom loop, then who cares if it's unlocked?
 

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now i like this idea. let us consumers decide if we want to kill our cpu's. hmmm might be switching to amd soon.. but will wait for benches
 

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I may have eluded to this in another post somewhere but this may not be that big of a deal if the engineering process is leading them to release chips that are already close to maxed from the factory. I think we still need to see retail samples in the hands of reviewers before this is worth getting excited about, if they're already highly optimized and an unlocked multiplier nets you <5% then *shrug*

I think it will be a bigger deal than you think given they will be producing them to a specific tdp target. If you don't care about that and your board can support it, you can probably exceed the tdp and get quite a bit higher clocks than delivered with - especially given the top tdp target they've announced is 95w.
 

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I personally am not concerned by how much overclocking can be done. Case in point: most Intel processors at 4 Ghz and above out of the box really do not overclock worth a hill of beans. (Sorry but, I do not consider 400 to 500 Mhz overclock to be a big deal, especially when the common clock seems to be 4.2 GHz out of the box for the 6700 K.)
 

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I think it will be a bigger deal than you think given they will be producing them to a specific tdp target. If you don't care about that and your board can support it, you can probably exceed the tdp and get quite a bit higher clocks than delivered with - especially given the top tdp target they've announced is 95w.

I guess this is really the question isn't it. Can we can bump it up to 125-150w safely on new boards with proper cooling and get much higher clocks? I don't think there's any way to know until people get them for testing.
 

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Being a brand new architecture on a new process, I would say that heavy binning is likely all but guaranteed, at least at first.

Down the road, yields will probably improve, making overclocked lower end parts one hell of a bargain, but at launch I wouldn't expect this.

Completely agree, this has happened plenty of times in the past. Starting unlocked and advertising it that way makes it less likely they'll start locking them in the future.
 

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On the one hand I like it, it is a great selling point for enthusiasts. On the other hand, if they are all able to hit about the same oc then why get a more expensive model? So I think there would have to be some heavy binning going on here which all thing's considered is still not a bad thing.
 

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If Ryzen runs as claimed, I'm going to build my first custom water loop with those new EK AM4 Supremacy blocks. I'm getting warm fuzzies like when I got my first Thunderbird CPU.
The Egg has Corsair cases on sale and the EK x360 kit on sale for $300 from $390. I couldn't pass it up - I have a Obsidian 750 and the x360 on the way. My current rig is one of the Phenom2 based Opterons, if Ryzen isn't out soon I'm going to have to get a 7700k though, not sure how much longer I can wait.
 

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If Ryzen runs as claimed, I'm going to build my first custom water loop with those new EK AM4 Supremacy blocks. I'm getting warm fuzzies like when I got my first Thunderbird CPU.

The Egg has Corsair cases on sale and the EK x360 kit on sale for $300 from $390. I couldn't pass it up - I have a Obsidian 750 and the x360 on the way. My current rig is one of the Phenom2 based Opterons, if Ryzen isn't out soon I'm going to have to get a 7700k though, not sure how much longer I can wait.

I already have a custom water loop in my Corsair 750D with an EK Supremacy EVO block on my LGA2011 system.

I wonder what kind of parts I'll need to strap that block to an AM4 socket...

Hopefully I'll just be able to loosen everything, remove the motherboard and put everything back on without breaking into the loop. (Maybe I'll drain it just in case.)
 

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I think it will be a bigger deal than you think given they will be producing them to a specific tdp target. If you don't care about that and your board can support it, you can probably exceed the tdp and get quite a bit higher clocks than delivered with - especially given the top tdp target they've announced is 95w.

Fair point, it could get interesting if the architecture allows for more power to ramp up the speeds without generating a ton of heat. Given AMD's past issues with heat generation I'm not too hopeful about that, but I am definitely interested in seeing how this performs.
 

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Where would you see a benefit by using ECC? Have you ever lost something because of a memory error?

If you leave your system on all the time, it is very valuable. I only have ECC on my servers, but maybe he's one of those that uses a Virtualized Server/Desktop combo box, with a passed through video card? Or maybe he is looking for a cheap server replacement.
 

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Fair point, it could get interesting if the architecture allows for more power to ramp up the speeds without generating a ton of heat. Given AMD's past issues with heat generation I'm not too hopeful about that, but I am definitely interested in seeing how this performs.

You can't add more power without adding more heat...
 

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If I had to guess, with a decent cooler, these will hit hard limits on clock realtively quickly and adding a lot of voltage probably won't help.

That just seems to look like the way things are going as the processes get smaller.
 

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Where would you see a benefit by using ECC? Have you ever lost something because of a memory error?

I would like to use a Zen processor as the CPU in my linux based PVR / fileserver / domain controller.
 

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I need ECC as well, I would also like more then 8 cores on my workstation, so waiting for info on mid tier server grade stuff to be released. If AMD can't fill my needs I might go with E5 2640 v4 x2 socket box(or v5 depending on how much flesh Intel wants for 3647 platform stuff). But I am AMD fan, will be rooting for them.

dual channel vs quad channel isn't a big deal for me, nor do i need 80pcie lanes, just want lots of cores and a pretty good chunk of ecc memory(128gig).
 

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i wonder why ECC is not just a standard memory standard. Price increase will be minimal if its a standard
 

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i wonder why ECC is not just a standard memory standard. Price increase will be minimal if its a standard

Because it still increases cost with ~12½%. It doesn't matter if its 50 cents or 20$. Its cost added with very little benefit.
 

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Because it still increases cost with ~12½%. It doesn't matter if its 50 cents or 20$. Its cost added with very little benefit.
RGB lighting increases cost to but people buy that, at least ECC has a very specific function and is technically more stable when overclocking it as it will error out instead of BSODing right away from little boost. However it does make it harder to speed up as most ECC chips aren't speed binned as extremely as they normally meet JEDEC standards. Still having the option available without some artificial vendor lock in means better choice for consumers. Even if you don't use it other might and it doesn't increase cost if the IMC is standard.
 

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I guess this is really the question isn't it. Can we can bump it up to 125-150w safely on new boards with proper cooling and get much higher clocks? I don't think there's any way to know until people get them for testing.

Knowing that the process is 14LPP , a low power mode, I see at most 600MHZ to 700MHZ overclocks on a water loop for 3.6 GHZ octacore Ryzen. This is not 32nm PD-SOI
 

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I may have eluded to this in another post somewhere but this may not be that big of a deal if the engineering process is leading them to release chips that are already close to maxed from the factory. I think we still need to see retail samples in the hands of reviewers before this is worth getting excited about, if they're already highly optimized and an unlocked multiplier nets you <5% then *shrug*


shhh don't ruin the dream that there might actually be some competition at the high end CPU market after the last 10 years ;) lol.
 

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i wonder why ECC is not just a standard memory standard. Price increase will be minimal if its a standard

ECC by its design necessarily increases latency. Unless you absolutely need ECC it is thus usually better to go without, from a performance perspective.

I think that as we start using more and more RAM in our systems thkgun, the risk of a flipped bit in RAM is going to increase, and maybe ECC will need to become a standard feature.
 

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If you leave your system on all the time, it is very valuable. I only have ECC on my servers, but maybe he's one of those that uses a Virtualized Server/Desktop combo box, with a passed through video card? Or maybe he is looking for a cheap server replacement.

Also nice for builds a few years down the road when gobs of cheap Registered ECC DDR4 server DIMMs start hitting ebay.
 

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I don't expect these to support REG ECC however I hoping for unbuffered ECC support.
 

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Well sure. Let people overclock them like crazy, then when they melt/explode/vanish into a wormhole they have to buy another one.
 

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I hope this is true. However, I still need better than HW performance and 4.5ghz OC.
 
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