Alder Lake launching November 4th

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I'm hoping Raptor Lake is a drop in upgrade with a DDR4 motherboard.
I could skip Raptor Lake but upgrading is too much fun.
 

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Popping in here again to say that my 12700K using only the 8 pcores at stock speed, with unlimited turbo time: Beats my overclocked Ryzen 3900x in Cinibench R23 multicore, by about 1200 points. So that's 8 cores Vs. 12 cores. These P cores are nuts.
What's the temps and power consumption (are you able to measure it?) of the two chips/mobos? I am curious. The Alder Lake parts seem like to the ones to choose (over Ryzen) now. I dunno if the new Ryzen tech. will be as good (Zen 3+/Zen 4) but Alder Lake motherboards are pretty pricey here and DDR5 prices/availability is another matter.
 

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how often do you play cinebench?
For my personal use cases, R23 is a good guage for CPU performance.

Specifically, Somewhere around 17,000 - 18,0000 multi-core, coincides with being able to do X.264 slow in OBS at 1080p. So....either an overclocked 10900k or a 3900x, have been required for that. The fact we can do it now with 8 cores at stock speed (I get around 19400 points with the 8 Pcores), is crazy. And these 8 cores will actually allow some more specialized custom options, that would be tough with even the overclocked 3900x.

But then of course it has the 4 e-cores, which add a few more thousand points.

The point though, was to highlight the potency of the P Cores.
 

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$180 CPU...



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Interesting. This would create some additional options if it can work on a more budget-priced board. It would be competing with the current budget option, which is to get a 12600K/12700K and a $200 DDR4 board. The money that would have went towards getting a K-series CPU could go towards getting a mobo with more features, DDR5 instead of DDR4, or it can just stay in your bank account. Microcode update to follow?
 

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Of course I'm interested to see if this exists on Asus boards further down the stack. Looks like a ton of fun.
 

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$180 CPU...
With DDR5 and board (i.e. it changes nothing in reality I imagine, it is an high-cost solution), but it gives an information even on the latest Battlefield, fast 6 core > 8-10 core even with much less cache, specially for the 1% low. Or maybe it is the very high bandwidth ram doing it ?
 

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The only reason I am running this is because I received free DDR5. I will be glad to move on to AM5 with it.
 

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I'm debating when or if to go for last final straw of a DDR4 setup before jumping to DDR5 as I already have a 32GB Samsung B-die setup that I'd gladly keep slightly longer but currently I find the CPU of Alder lake (12700K is what I'm eyeing) and the Z690 motherboards fairly costly upgrade for just a CPU + mobo swap. I'm currently sitting on a Z370 + 9700K setup but could always use more CPU processing power. Will there be any refreshes of Alder Lake I could still use the same motherboard with if so?

At least it seems I will be limited to Intel camp if sticking with DDR4.
 

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I'm debating when or if to go for last final straw of a DDR4 setup before jumping to DDR5 as I already have a 32GB Samsung B-die setup that I'd gladly keep slightly longer but currently I find the CPU of Alder lake (12700K is what I'm eyeing) and the Z690 motherboards fairly costly upgrade for just a CPU + mobo swap. I'm currently sitting on a Z370 + 9700K setup but could always use more CPU processing power. Will there be any refreshes of Alder Lake I could still use the same motherboard with if so?

At least it seems I will be limited to Intel camp if sticking with DDR4.

Raptor Lake sounds like it is going to have a DDR4 memory controller which will be a drop in replacement with a bios update for current 6XX series boards. Probably the last hurrah for DDR4.

Sounds like Intel wants 7XX boards to be DDR5 only.
 

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One thing to be careful of is the DDR5 speed. I'll admit, this caught me completely off guard. Don't expect to hit those speeds if you're running more than 2 sticks.

https://images.anandtech.com/doci/16959/DRAMADL.png

When I ordered my PC, I went through countless motherboard revisions and DDR types to get above 4000. I never bothered to look at this at the time, because I needed 64GB+, and there were no available 32GB DIMMs when I purchased the computer, I ended up spending $800 more so I could just be running @ 4600 MT/s. This is apparently a big issue with people finding out that their DDR5 6000 chips are only running at 4000, otherwise they become unstable.
 

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I'm debating when or if to go for last final straw of a DDR4 setup before jumping to DDR5 as I already have a 32GB Samsung B-die setup that I'd gladly keep slightly longer but currently I find the CPU of Alder lake (12700K is what I'm eyeing) and the Z690 motherboards fairly costly upgrade for just a CPU + mobo swap. I'm currently sitting on a Z370 + 9700K setup but could always use more CPU processing power. Will there be any refreshes of Alder Lake I could still use the same motherboard with if so?

At least it seems I will be limited to Intel camp if sticking with DDR4.
I have DDR4 and a 12700K and it does everything I need (mainly gaming). I thought about upgrading to DDR5 and a new board, but all the benchmarks tell me to stay put with what I have for now.
 

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One thing to be careful of is the DDR5 speed. I'll admit, this caught me completely off guard. Don't expect to hit those speeds if you're running more than 2 sticks.

https://images.anandtech.com/doci/16959/DRAMADL.png

When I ordered my PC, I went through countless motherboard revisions and DDR types to get above 4000. I never bothered to look at this at the time, because I needed 64GB+, and there were no available 32GB DIMMs when I purchased the computer, I ended up spending $800 more so I could just be running @ 4600 MT/s. This is apparently a big issue with people finding out that their DDR5 6000 chips are only running at 4000, otherwise they become unstable.
Yeah with the headlines of Intel asking for DDR5 only------they had better be making a big jump with their memory controller. IMO, the memory controller for Alder Lake was a pretty underwhelming step from Rocket Lake. And put a small damper on the otherwise really potent core architecture.
 

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Yeah with the headlines of Intel asking for DDR5 only------they had better be making a big jump with their memory controller. IMO, the memory controller for Alder Lake was a pretty underwhelming step from Rocket Lake. And put a small damper on the otherwise really potent core architecture.

And the Rocket Lake memory controller was a big step back from Comet Lake.

I see no reason why a 12900k can't run 2x16GB DDR4 3600 sticks in 2022 at 1T...but here we are. I don't feel like this is pushing the memory controller all that hard, especially since they've had 6 generations to work on DDR4 compatibility.
 

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That's a nice price honestly. The same combo is $560.54 out the door at Microcenter.
 
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