Ajit Pai: States Can't Enact Net Neutrality Rules

So a phone service isn't a communication service? Wtf kind of backwards land are we living in? I think they just opened themselves up to lawsuits from many companies. This would mean that satellite TV service isn't really a television service because it's from a satellite, not a cable.
See the book 1984, words get redefined while you are not looking. They also blatantly lie 24/7 if that doesn't work.
 
*rollseyes*
Read it and weep, it is the truth, if you roll your eyes it doesn't fix anything. Wages are mostly stagnant for 40 years, you have little to no rights, and companies get to tell you and the Government how your entire existence is defined. It's the natural course, power wants more power and the people have to take the power and not allow your rights to be trampled.
 
There is only one kind of logic. It's the one where you don't instantly believe everything you read.

I believe what I experience and have worked for Corporate America for DECADES. My experience tells me that "Everyday Joe" paying fifty bucks a month has his packet last in line before ALL "Corporate Customers" paying in the thousands.

What does your logic tell you now?
 
Thank you for adding to the discussion. Very enlightening.

Thank you for your sarcasm, it was very enlightening.

i was trying to add to the conversation a long time ago when this first became a thing. We are well beyond conversing about it at this point and that isn't anything left to discuss.
 
Before NN repeal: No cap on my Comcast internet. Never really did more than 800GB a month.

After NN repeal: I now have a 1TB cap, and according to Comcast, I managed to use 10GB in the entire week I was without service, because I was in the middle of moving. Yes, the modem was disconnected. Yes, my router was offline as well. It wouldn't have mattered anyway because I had Comcast shut service down to my apartment and transfer service to my house. Neither were even so much as plugged into the wall, and neither my wife or I use Xfinity on the go. We don't even have the stupid app for that. Our cellphones only go through our Sprint service when not connected to our home wifi, which again, wouldn't have been on due to the service shutdown.

Call me a tinfoil hatter if you want, but 10GB of data usage doesn't go through a modem that's not even in service, let alone getting power. Comcast is pulling some dirty trickery to push overages any way they can to get that much more out of people who just don't want to fight over it. I said a long time ago that it'd happen. You watch, more ISPs are going to get in on it until it becomes a media shitstorm. They will all do this until they end up in class action lawsuits over it and everyone affected is lucky if they get a fraction of what they paid in overages back.
Hate to break it to you, but Comcast was rolling out data caps over a long period of time, and it didn't happen until the FCC enacted "Net Neutrality." I've had a 1 TB cap with Comcast for over 2 years now, and they're the only option for broadband in my area.
 
Hate to break it to you, but Comcast was rolling out data caps over a long period of time, and it didn't happen until the FCC enacted "Net Neutrality." I've had a 1 TB cap with Comcast for over 2 years now, and they're the only option for broadband in my area.
You think net neutrality (the ISP having to threat all traffic as equal) created your data cap problem? Correlation doesn't mean causation. We here in europe don't have net neutrality, never had, and still we have data caps.
 
You think net neutrality (the ISP having to threat all traffic as equal) created your data cap problem? Correlation doesn't mean causation. We here in europe don't have net neutrality, never had, and still we have data caps.
No. But it didn't stop them from creating the caps, either. So many people here think the FCC rules were some magical panacea against all the evil corporate practices these ISPs are peddling.
 
Wages are mostly stagnant for 40 years, you have little to no rights, and companies get to tell you and the Government how your entire existence is defined. It's the natural course, power wants more power and the people have to take the power and not allow your rights to be trampled.

And you think Democrats are interested in changing that equation? Ha!

Look at this: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/07/business/economy/jobs-report.html

Wages are growing and I would say it's just getting started. More importantly, look at the last chart in that article. Unemployment is at all time lows. Want to know how to negate the "risk" from right to work? Tighten up the labor pool. Supply and demand. Basic stuff.

And that's the NYT - hardly a shill for Trump or the republicans.

BTW, even in right to work states its still pretty darn expensive to hire people. It takes a significant amount of time and money to find and hire new people. So all this angst that "right to work" is going to result in companies just mass firing people at will is beyond idiotic. Companies still need employees to do stuff so they can function. Just firing people without cause is pretty stupid, counter productive and a great way to reduce profit.

Duh!
 
i was trying to add to the conversation a long time ago when this first became a thing. We are well beyond conversing about it at this point and that isn't anything left to discuss.

And yet you are posting in this thread :rolleyes:

Seriously, what's factually in dispute with whatever you disagree with?
 
Thank you for adding to the discussion. Very enlightening.

what is wrong with somebody saying they so very badly need to be laid? How else are their sexual needs going to be meet if they don't let people know they are horny and want to have sex? Sure it doesn't follow the rest of thread
 
Hate to break it to you, but Comcast was rolling out data caps over a long period of time, and it didn't happen until the FCC enacted "Net Neutrality." I've had a 1 TB cap with Comcast for over 2 years now, and they're the only option for broadband in my area.

The worst I have had until recently was a soft cap. Even when I log in to pay, the usage didn't even show an actual cap. Now I have an actual cap.
 
Hate to break it to you, but Comcast was rolling out data caps over a long period of time, and it didn't happen until the FCC enacted "Net Neutrality." I've had a 1 TB cap with Comcast for over 2 years now, and they're the only option for broadband in my area.

At least you have 1 TB some of us only have 300 GB
 
They like to tell you how great things are, like being in a "right to work" state, which actually means you have a right to work for less money with no actual rights.
Right to work usually means joining the Union and paying dues is optional. So you end up with a union that is actually responsive to its membership and providing value for those dues instead of using them only as a political funding source that the employee is obligated to support. Most unions take their membership for granted and work too much on activism unrelated to the real problems of their membership. They are political wannabes.
 
Ok, I'll bite. And why would you want this? Are you a masochist? You do realize that Pai being a ridiculous dick is going to cause you lots of problems right? You are doing life wrong, you are supposed to do what is best for the group and yourself, not laugh at your and others pain. You really should reevaluate your behavior.

It's because the majority of people bitching are either deluded, ignorant, shills, or SJWs, and I love seeing those types cry.
 
At least you have 1 TB some of us only have 300 GB
I had a 1TB data cap with Comcast when I lived in Chicago and came very close to breaking that limit on multiple occasions (I stream a lot). Thankfully since I moved to NC I've switched to Google Fiber that has no data caps and is roughly 5x faster than my previous Comcast connection for the same price.
 
I believe what I experience and have worked for Corporate America for DECADES. My experience tells me that "Everyday Joe" paying fifty bucks a month has his packet last in line before ALL "Corporate Customers" paying in the thousands.

What does your logic tell you now?
Last packet and things that travel at lightspeed and take 155ms to transfer. Oh woe is everyday joe. We should become socialist because muh free stuff should be free because im lazy and think im the spscialist snowflake in the whole wide universe.

Please. Youre embarassing yourself. Get a job, bum.
 
I want to keep Pai around, if for no other reason than entertainment, as he triggers assholes all over the internet.

It's almost the same appeal as watching Hell's Kitchen - you don't feel bad about Gordon Ramsey being a dick, because he is bitch slapping other asswipes into the ground.

I think Pai's mug is so large because he is drinking the tears of dumb and easily misled people pissed at his decisions, because some else told them to be pissed.

Beautifully said
 
Last packet and things that travel at lightspeed and take 155ms to transfer. Oh woe is everyday joe. We should become socialist because muh free stuff should be free because im lazy and think im the spscialist snowflake in the whole wide universe.

Please. Youre embarassing yourself. Get a job, bum.

So the internet is just a plug with infinite bandwidth and a set latency, Thanks for letting us know how it works, The only thing special here are your childish insults, Congratulations on your lack of foresight,
 
I'll keep collecting Corporate Checks while you are busy slurping Corporate Shlong and paying more for less.
I'm a senior systems engineer, I'm sure you're doing great. Anyone complaining about having THEIR PACKET LAST IN LINE and has to wait an extra 20 MILLISECONDS is doing great in life.
 
I'm a senior systems engineer, I'm sure you're doing great. Anyone complaining about having THEIR PACKET LAST IN LINE and has to wait an extra 20 MILLISECONDS is doing great in life.
I'm happy for you. I'm sure your internal network is great. Doesn't really apply. I don't really give a shit what your title is. I've dealt with them all.
 
I'm happy for you. I'm sure your internal network is great. Doesn't really apply. I don't really give a shit what your title is. I've dealt with them all.
And you're still a doofus. Where did the big bad Trump touch you?
 
gotta love how you guys are bitching about Pai while ignoring the fact that he is doing exactly what the president appointed him to do, and a pretty good job too since he has not been dismissed.
 
Yes, no one ever lies on the internet.
I guess you can doubt that he's worked for corporate America for decades, though that's not exactly a tall tale. The point is he's saying this is from his work experience and you jump to "get a job." You say you're a senior systems engineer, by that logic, someone could say "Get a job, bum." right back at you as their first response to that. If you think he's lying, it makes more sense to point out WHY you think he's lying rather than jump straight past the conclusion that he is and on to the next step. At face value, you're trying to tell him to do something he's already done after the fact, it's just a bizarre response. It would be like telling a photographer to go buy a camera, or a policeman to wear uniform. They already have!
 
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Every post that contains some sort of derogatory comment (or threat) about, or towards, Ajit Pai, immediately makes me ignore whatever else that individual has to say. The level of "butt hurt" and emotive wails tells me whether or not that post will contain factual information.

If you want to threaten a government official (or just a fellow citizen), I'd like to see you prosecuted. Yeah, you're the one creating the hostility which has so changed our political landscape. Threats and insults do not sway any rational person...instead, those actions tend to entrench opposition to that viewpoint.

On to Net Neutrality...

I have yet to see:
1. a reasoned explanation of how the internet truly functioned before Net Neutrality was passed;
2. how the passage, BEFORE the delayed implementation on Net Neutrality, modified how the internet truly functioned;
3. once Net Neutrality (or some of its subsections) became implemented, how that modified the internet and ISP behavior;
4. why "resetting" back to step 1 is so horrible of a thing.

Instead, I see insults against the FCC chair, threats, and general FUD. Or, ad hominem attacks against those who disagree with or, worse, question the socially accepted viewpoint of "support Net Neutrality".

My first rule is to recognize that every federal program title is usually 180^ out from the program's true purpose. "Net Neutrality" probably means a winner has been chosen, not that the internet should a neutral playing field and let competition occur to determine what company will provide service and how it will be provided.
 
That is a rather big part of the problem isn't it? What is the definition of "net neutrality"?

To various different people it means: "all packet treated = regardless of origination", or "a level playing field for all players, customer and ISP alike", to others it even means "enforcing the freedom of speech", to the ISP's it seems to mean "freedom to rape customers especially google and netflix", to google and netflix it seems to mean "freedom to rape customers and ISP's alike", or it means even other things to other parties.
What Wikipedia says it is supposed to be, is not what most think it is, and what most think it is, is not what we actually had under NN. Then we get some that can see the worst case doomsday scenario of deregulation, wringing their hands, pulling out hairs, and screaming to the heavens. This naturally draws some idiot politicians that don't know the first thing about the industry, never bother to learn anything about the industry past good sound bites, looking for votes while taking money from whoever will pay to push or stall legislation, claiming "deys gonna do sumptin bouts it". And that is exactly how they sound talking about it, some morons that never made it past grade school. Then we get shit legislation, and nobody is happy except the person that wrote the checks.
 
Every post that contains some sort of derogatory comment (or threat) about, or towards, Ajit Pai, immediately makes me ignore whatever else that individual has to say. The level of "butt hurt" and emotive wails tells me whether or not that post will contain factual information.

If you want to threaten a government official (or just a fellow citizen), I'd like to see you prosecuted. Yeah, you're the one creating the hostility which has so changed our political landscape. Threats and insults do not sway any rational person...instead, those actions tend to entrench opposition to that viewpoint.

On to Net Neutrality...

I have yet to see:
1. a reasoned explanation of how the internet truly functioned before Net Neutrality was passed;
2. how the passage, BEFORE the delayed implementation on Net Neutrality, modified how the internet truly functioned;
3. once Net Neutrality (or some of its subsections) became implemented, how that modified the internet and ISP behavior;
4. why "resetting" back to step 1 is so horrible of a thing.

Instead, I see insults against the FCC chair, threats, and general FUD. Or, ad hominem attacks against those who disagree with or, worse, question the socially accepted viewpoint of "support Net Neutrality".

My first rule is to recognize that every federal program title is usually 180^ out from the program's true purpose. "Net Neutrality" probably means a winner has been chosen, not that the internet should a neutral playing field and let competition occur to determine what company will provide service and how it will be provided.
It's fear mongering by democrats to pass legislation that helps "pro-democrat" companies. It's not difficult to understand imo, I think a lot of people just don't want to believe their side is not so righteous.
 
It's fear mongering by democrats to pass legislation that helps "pro-democrat" companies. It's not difficult to understand imo, I think a lot of people just don't want to believe their side is not so righteous.

How does NN promote only "pro-democrat" companies? Please elaborate. Maybe you can draw up a list of "Democrat and Republican" companies so we all know whom to do business with. Not that the current political divisions are enough, we need more - right?

edit: Trying to define NN through your Republican/Democrat polarizing glasses is idiocy. The issue is much more complex than that.

I see the elimination of NN as a way for Companies to increase their profit margins by creating service level Tiers and charging for each at their own discretion. Ultimately, that additional cost ALWAYS gets passed on to the consumer.
 
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It's frightening to read a thread like this. Almost every poster arguing in favor of MORE government power. My own views have changed quite a bit over the last few years. We should be arguing against government. The goal is for government to have as little power as possible. Someone quoted the 10th Amendment. The constitution and its intents have long been thrown away and forgotten. For many aspects of our country today, it's almost as if it never existed.
 
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