Ajit Pai Openly Mocks Net Neutrality Protesters with Dumb New Video

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  1. otherweeb

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    After stewing on it awhile I realized instead of stating his case and arguing his points intelligently he gave us the 'song and dance' because he thinks the public are idiots.
     
  2. cageymaru

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    Got to love Pai's comment at the very end of this.

     
  3. DocFaustus

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    Thanks for the clarification and insight
     
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    lol @ people. He is a bad person; however, those are calling on his death, you are much worse person.
     
  5. cageymaru

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    Well the President officially supports the FCC vote so it is a done deal with Congress in my opinion.

     
  6. DocFaustus

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    Correct, he has never argued or addressed the issues we are concerned about, instead it makes up bullshit nobody is claiming and then shoots it down.
     
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    Probably something in there about people getting the leadership they deserve. Look! We got a dancing monkey as FCC chairman!
     
  8. lcpiper

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    Well, since the FCC has the power to reverse this yet again, it's Congress' turn at bat. They need to relook Section 5 of the Federal Trade Act, the exemption clause for Common Carriers, and maybe amend that sucker. If they did, then if the FCC again classified the Internet as Title II, the FTC will keep more regulatory power over ISPs that they lost this time around.
     
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    Maybe that's why Trump likes him.

    But for me, I think the guy has balls to stand up to some of the pressure put on him over this. But I still don't like the video. I like my government officials with sticks up their asses and serious about the shit they are doing. Not fucking off running off the rails on Twitter and shit.
     
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  10. Zarathustra[H]

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    Sadly the FTC is pretty toothless when it comes to ISP's.

    Their attempts at going after anticompetitive behaviors in the industry have been largely unsuccessful as courts have shut them down stating that the ISP's are already elsewhere regulated (by the FCC) so the line Pai has had put there about the FTC taking over regulatory duties has been little more than a sham.

    I don't expect the FTC to be able to do shit, unfortunately.

    I do agree that the ultimate solution for these problems would be proper competition in the industry, but I wonder how realistic this is. Existing ISP's - even where they don't have state sanctioned monopolies - seem much more interested in not treading on eachothers territories and using and absuing their captive customer base than expanding and competing.

    I remember reading a while back that there are laws on the books governing how quickly regulatory agencies can change their positions in order to prevent yo-yo back and forths in regulations between administrations.

    I can't remember the details, but I wonder if a suit based on these laws can be applied to Net Neutrality and the internet's Title II classification considering they were so recently implemented...
     
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    You know... I've never wanted a paid shill to be dead so bad in my life. It's strange how powerfully I hate this person. I'm glad I never have to be face to face with them. I honestly don't know if I could contain myself.
     
  12. Madoc

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    Question: Can I dislike Ajit Pai more than I do already?

    Answer: Yes, I can.
     
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    This just shows how sad of a situation we are in! The internet is soooooo important in our lives that we call for the death or to beat a person up over it? Holy SHIT PEOPLE go outside, push the keyboard in and go hunt, fish, play sports, hike, get a boat, ride a bike just get outside!! If the internet shut down tomorrow, yes I would be bummed but my life wouldn't end. I didn't have cell phones or internet when I grew up THANK GOD!!


    Be part of life instead of just watching it!!!
     
  14. Grimlaking

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    Neither did I, but that access to information and instant communication is it turns out. Very addictive and very nice to have. I'm not angry that the guy sucks as a human being, I'm angry because he is obviously a paid shill for corporate interests. Even I admit its strange how powerfully this person effects me. Maybe it's because he actively celebrates being a waste of human space, and has made millions in doing that? I don't know.. it's a very instinctual kind of hate.
     
  15. lcpiper

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    For your own good

    In your own best interest

    I hope you will curb that shit

    Everything you know about this guy, you know because the media showed it to you.

    All of it is part of a picture that other people are paid to paint for you.

    I want to make something clear to you so that you see things clearly.

    Do you know me? Would you call me your friend?

    Is there anyone at all on this website, save maybe Kyle, that you would actually call your friend, who isn't someone you personally know?

    The same is true for every one of us. I don't know you, I don't call anyone a friend easily I sure as fuck wouldn't call you a friend cause ... I don't know you.

    But that don't mean that I want to see something bad happen to you. I don't even wish you a bad day. But what I want don't have nothing to do with it.

    Every person who has a Government Security Clearance is being monitored in their online activity, all of them. And there are a lot of them and there are several right here on the [H].

    Some you know about, some you don't. All are being watched which means everyone they are talking to are being heard.

    None of the people on [H] that have a clearance even need to report this, all are being watched, it just takes one to be looking at this topic and I am pretty sure there is at least one.

    I hope you are understanding what I am telling you.
     
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    People fucking up their lives over this shit ...... caught up in the moment I guess.

     
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  17. jnemesh

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    Once porn viewing is affected, all hell is going to break loose! :)
     
  18. Derangel

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    You're the one believing lies and bullshit. THE FTC HAS NO POWER TO REGULATE THE INTERNET! THEY ARE A TRADE COMMISSION. Regulating how ISPs handle access is the job of the FCC. The internet is a form of COMMUNICATION, that makes it the FCC's duty. Passing the back to the FTC means we're fucked unless congress gets off its ass because the FTC has ZERO power to do anything. Pai IS a shill. He doesn't even bother to hide it. Orange bumblefuck elected him to that spot because he knew Pai was a shill and would repeal anything done under Obama's administration.
     
  19. lcpiper

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    Well, you think what you think, and I'll think what I think, and pretty soon the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals is going to re-hear the FTC law suite against AT&T where AT&T was throttling customers who had unlimited internet plans and had used more data than AT&T liked.

    I'll let the 9th Circuit decide which of us has a better view of the situation.

    Your caps-lock key works by the way, I hear you so much better now
     
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  20. Derangel

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    I would love if the courts decide in favor of the FTC, but we'll see. The 9th court makes some wacky calls sometimes. Regardless of ruling, and especially if it rules in the favor of the FTC, I expect the case to go to the Supreme Court and I wouldn't be surprised if they slap the FTC down.
     
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    Great, they will re-hear a case about a company lying about a service it sold..... Tell me again how that is relevant in any way the NN and preventing ISPs filtering/throttling packets? The ISPs are just going to change their Terms/Description of Service to be 'transparent' about doing that and the FTC will not be able to do shit..... Just like how ATT/VZ/Tmobile still sell 'unlimited' plans, they just include that it will be throttled after you use a certain amount of bandwidth. Yup, that transparency requirement sure is going to save us.....
     
  22. Damar

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    Pai is the sort of guy you wouldn't mind seeing someone take a crowbar to his knees and just keep whacking away until the whole mess looks like tomato puree.

    Or a bullet to the head to remove that smile, but then it'd be over too quick (for my tastes anyway).
     
  23. lcpiper

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    The initial case hinged on the Common Carrier exclusion clause in Section 5 of the Federal Trade Act, and now that the Internet is no longer Title II, Section 5 isn't part of the issue. The 9th circuit initially refused to rehear the case claiming saying that as long as the FCC was going to vote on changing things up, that there wasn't a point to it. But the other day, the 9th Circuit came back and said that they would rehear it, and en banc, ( a full house, not a 3 judge panel), so at a very minimum, it looks like they intend to give it a hard look however it turns out. But it sure looks like this vote and the classification of Title I vs Title II has a real impact on what the FTC can and can't do in regulating an ISP.

    Now I'll drop the other shoe, this case is less about regulating the internet and more about a company who promised a level of service and went back on their promise in an underhanded way. Any ruling in favor of the FTC is not going to mean that ISPs can't throttle service. It's going to mean that they can't promise you something and fuck you over in the manner that AT&T did.
     
  24. bboynitrous

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    I did. I am on Comcast as they are the only provider and have watched Youtube, Netflix and mostly other streaming services having "buffering" issues. I haven't had those problems since around 2014ish. Most of it was cleared up with a VPN as that hides traffic from the provider before it was a thing. I'm wondering now if my service will slowly erode back to that. Nothing has really stopped them from continually raising the prices every few years as well along with a data cap. I'm assuming the Net Neutrality repeal is just icing on the cake for them not upgrading their network and to throttle traffic they like. It's a shame.

    From what I've read and heard most issues were from the 1996 telecom act in which gave them monopoly rights but we've never repealed that. I dunno. I guess we'll find out how this goes in the next few years.
     
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    The modern pork barrel is picking up speed.
     
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    You clearly don't know any severely disabled people. To some people, who can do little now but move their eyes in order to control a computer, the internet amounts to what they have left of their entire life. I guarantee you that if they could, they would do what you describe but they can't. But you know, fuck them amiright?
     
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    This guy needs a good old fashioned beating with a Louisville Slugger.
     
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    he's got a punchable face
     
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    There is a difference between not like someone or their opinion and an appointed government official openly mocking the citizens that pay him as he makes changes that will only result in higher internet costs and reduced service.
     
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    ty, good read. I like this part:

    "...Indeed, despite all the talk about the fear that broadband providers could decide what Internet content consumers can see, recent experience shows that so-called edge providers are in fact deciding what content they see. These providers routinely block or discriminate against content they don’t like.

    The examples from the past year alone are legion. App stores barring the doors to apps from even cigar aficionados because they are perceived to promote tobacco use. Streaming services restricting videos from the likes of conservative commentator Dennis Prager on subjects he considers “important to understanding American values.” Algorithms that decide what content you see (or don’t), but aren’t disclosed themselves. Online platforms secretly editing certain users’ comments. And of course, American companies caving to repressive foreign governments’ demands to block certain speech—conduct that would be repugnant to free expression if it occurred within our borders."

    Someone's breaking the RULZ ! Quick, someone call the FCC chairman.....oh wait....

    His thinking sounds a lot like "the US has a murder problem. If we remove all rules about murder, the problem will disappear."
     
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  35. Youean like how over 1000000 pro repeal.comments at the FCC came from bots
     
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    Did they spend taxpayer's money on this?
     
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    Man, I remember a day when politicians and public figure heads for the government held themselves as somewhat "distinguished". Now I wonder why they even wear suits at all, just come to work in a tshirt, jean shorts and flipflops, including when you talk to the press.
     
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    What that I copied and pasted the title off the website? what does the font size have to do with a real bomb threat?