Adobe's new TOS grants them unrestricted access to all of your projects

Apparently it is old boiler plate that let them make a thumbnail of your save file using its content and then when you browse your files and want to share them instead they can still use the thumbnail and what not (that why for example they could need to publicly display but public make it sound larger than the people for who you sent a link too). And create derivative work sound way larger than make thumbnail for your own web GUI that no one else than you will see. And why wouild it need to sublicense (apparently it is again some third party service you can decide to connect to your account and will have thumbnail, etc...)

But the wording is quite overly generous, the example is maybe the only things they do with it.... but it is vague and large.
They don't need a licence to generate a thumbnail, since it's not them generating the thumbnail, it is you using their software's functionality that involves generating thumbnails, that you can choose to share.
 
They don't need a licence to generate a thumbnail, since it's not them generating the thumbnail, it is you using their software's functionality that involves generating thumbnails, that you can choose to share.
It’s part and parcel of the Byzantine nature of copyright laws. Made a resized copy for display by automation without a license? Potential violation. Made a copy to some other storage system by automation? Potential violation.

So they would rather have an explicit license than potentially have to do a bunch of fair use claims in court if some lawyer wanted to start trouble.

You and I may assume these actions are reasonable and expected; but what is reasonable in the legal realm is often different.
 
So they would rather have an explicit license than potentially have to do a bunch of fair use claims in court if some lawyer wanted to start trouble.
Given this isn't the first time this exact kind of concern has come up, you would think a big company that was smart and on the ball could add a few simple English sentences explaining they need these rights to do those things, but somehow they never do, and then are all shocked Pikachu face when people freak out. How strange.
 
Given this isn't the first time this exact kind of concern has come up, you would think a big company that was smart and on the ball could add a few simple English sentences explaining they need these rights to do those things, but somehow they never do, and then are all shocked Pikachu face when people freak out. How strange.
IANAL, and I maintain that most lawyers aren't really people anymore after a certain amount of time practicing law. To them, they know what they meant, and that their overly broad terms are a simple set of ass-covering statements, while to us they're trying to take ownership of our stuff (because in non legalese it sure as hell reads that way, whatever the intent). I've seen similar, but not identical phrases in EULAs before for photo/file sharing services, but to my memory they used phrases like 'non-exclusive license' for them to duplicate the 'work' as needed for the operation of the platform.

These terms from Adobe are the worst written I've seen.
 
I can see them generating a bunch of thumbnails when you upload a file (having different size requirement than an usual explorer icon would have):
https://helpx-prod.scene7.com/is/im...tors-assets-web-7?$png$&jpegSize=200&wid=1052
My point is that they are not generating the thumbnails for kicks on their own, they are specifically generated for the user who uploaded their stuff. Therefore it is not adobe doing it, but the end user using adobe software. Adobe doesn't need a license to your works for you to be able to edit them using photoshop either.
 
It’s part and parcel of the Byzantine nature of copyright laws. Made a resized copy for display by automation without a license? Potential violation. Made a copy to some other storage system by automation? Potential violation.

So they would rather have an explicit license than potentially have to do a bunch of fair use claims in court if some lawyer wanted to start trouble.

You and I may assume these actions are reasonable and expected; but what is reasonable in the legal realm is often different.
So does google need a license for my copyrighted material when I upload it to drive?
 
So does google need a license for my copyrighted material when I upload it to drive?
It’s probably buried in the EULA somewhere that you granted them some rights to copy and distribute your material. You have eyes, go read what you agreed to.
 
It’s probably buried in the EULA somewhere that you granted them some rights to copy and distribute your material. You have eyes, go read what you agreed to.
It was a hypothetical, I don't actually use google drive. I just used it as an example. But if they have similar terms that doesn't make adobe's OK, it just means both of them are overreaching.
 
My point is that they are not generating the thumbnails for kicks on their own, they are specifically generated for the user who uploaded their stuff. Therefore it is not adobe doing it, but the end user using adobe software. Adobe doesn't need a license to your works for you to be able to edit them using photoshop either.
I am not sure what you mean if I upload on the cloud a file called MyProject.psd, without providing them a 100x100, 300x300 600x600 thumbnails for their different gui (thumbnail I would have never needed on my local computer), if they make thumbnails from that file, they need to open it and do an "artwork" directly from its content.

I can easily imagine that they are indeed generating thumbnail, if instead of sending the .psd on their cloud you put them there only using an export to the cloud from your program, then yes, your program could make everything they need (but that could change considering which thirdparty are used to show them), but is that a condition that you cannot just send them files on it ?
 
I am having a moment of quiet rage over here because Adobe seems to have moved all their reps out to GMT +530, and they very clearly went with the lowest bid option.
These agents I am dealing with are obviously as frustrated with me as I am with them at this point and I am desperately seeking alternatives.
They keep linking me the same "How To" guide and when I show them with pictures and in one case a screen share over teams that their instructions don't work, they blame something on my end and close the ticket.
Like excuse me sir/madam, but my computer has no control over what links and buttons appear on your site, and the "Whoops" error that loads when I do click the buttons that do appear are clearly generated by your site and arent influenced by anything on my end. But sure I can try this from 3 different devices on 3 different internet connections from 2 different providers...

I just want the ability to generate an MSI file so I can actually do a mass deploy of the software, but no!
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These agents I am dealing with are obviously as frustrated with me as I am with them at this point and I am desperately seeking alternatives.

What kind of alternatives?
They keep linking me the same "How To" guide and when I show them with pictures and in one case a screen share over teams that their instructions don't work, they blame something on my end and close the ticket.

Yeah, they are just script-reading drones who are measured on how many calls they can clear in an hour.
I just want the ability to generate an MSI file so I can actually do a mass deploy of the software, but no!YT

So lemme get this straight. You are an enterprise customer, presumably spending serious bucks with Adobe, but they don't give you any deployment tools? I don't friggin believe it. Me, I'm just Joe Shuttersnapper with a personal account, so I have to put up with the lack of msi installers.


Since I have both a desktop and a laptop on which I install Photoshop, Lightroom, ACR and Bridge, I wish that even I had msi installers.
 
What kind of alternatives?


Yeah, they are just script-reading drones who are measured on how many calls they can clear in an hour.


So lemme get this straight. You are an enterprise customer, presumably spending serious bucks with Adobe, but they don't give you any deployment tools? I don't friggin believe it. Me, I'm just Joe Shuttersnapper with a personal account, so I have to put up with the lack of msi installers.


Since I have both a desktop and a laptop on which I install Photoshop, Lightroom, ACR and Bridge, I wish that even I had msi installers.
Yes, enterprise and I consider it a decent size account, I've gotten ahold of a reseller for Adobe and they explained exactly what is happening and why it's happening, and basically, my admin account is fudged up and they are pretty sure they know how it got fudged up.

According to the reseller Adobe agents get a half point for renewing an account, but they get a full point and a half for creating a new account, what has likely happened is during my last "renewal" they didn't renew my account but they deleted it and recreated it so the system would count it as a new account and not a renewal, but in the process, they fudged up my account permissions. But permissions are something they have to escalate and it certainly isn't on their scripts.
Either way, after talking for a bit with the Adobe reseller, they can take over my accounts, and merge them under a single account so I don't need 4 or 5 different agreements but a single agreement, they can sell the services cheaper than Adobe can and more importantly they can bill in CAD, and since the only real way to fix the account requires them to destroy it anyways they are just going to tackle the whole thing.

Reasonably there aren't many alternatives to Creative Cloud that even cover half of what it does, for the other stuff there are options but then if we do them it doesn't tie into the existing Adobe ones and suddenly change out the software on staff with no notice is... frowned upon so really not an option at all at least not for me... :(

But to bring things back on topic, the reseller and I did talk about the ToS changes and they seem pretty convinced that it's there to cover the needed functionality of their new AI features worked into Photoshop Express, they don't get processed in the software and it all gets uploaded to their cloud facility to do the work then it just passes down the results, but they were similarly concerned when it first crossed their desks. But Adobe is adamant that it is trained on content from the Adobe Stock libraries, Public Domain content, and content where the copyrights have expired, which doesn't intrinsically include any user work unless they are uploading that work to Facebook, or other such services, as many of them have in their ToS that ownership is waved when its uploaded to them.

But yeah, all this because I wanted to create individual installers for our Adobe products and make those available in the Intune Company Portal so I can deploy them automatically and have some of the extras available on demand if the users want to play a little.
 
More Adobe garbage (which is something I've always hated and Adobe needs to be punished for):


ADOBE’S HIDDEN CANCELLATION FEE IS UNLAWFUL, FTC SUIT SAYS
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...over-hefty-hidden-fees-manipulative-sign-ups/

Was going to post this. Hopefully it turns out to be something good. All Adobe needed to do was offer pay & keep offline versions (they can do it ever 5 or so years), and then offer their subscription models with all that online junk but more frequent updates/features with a sensible fee structure. Offer a sane price and they would retain people. Keep the price low enough and people won't even bother considering switching to something else.

The crazy fees, subscriptions, and online BS has many people looking for alternatives.
 
I wonder how this will affect the poor shareholders. Why doesn't anyone think of them?

Was going to post this. Hopefully it turns out to be something good. All Adobe needed to do was offer pay & keep offline versions (they can do it ever 5 or so years), and then offer their subscription models with all that online junk but more frequent updates/features with a sensible fee structure. Offer a sane price and they would retain people. Keep the price low enough and people won't even bother considering switching to something else.

The crazy fees, subscriptions, and online BS has many people looking for alternatives.
The problem is that Adobe is as close to a monopoly as you can get, and they've essentially "Won" the game. The issue here is that the world keeps turning and there is no "Winning" and Adobe needs to find SOME way to return an increase in value to their shareholders while essentially having NOWHERE higher to go. You climbed Everest, and reached the peak, but shareholders demand you always go higher and higher. It doesn't matter HOW you do it. Just make more money. More. More. Line go up. More is better than All. Have everything? you don't have more. Already have more? Still need more.
 
I wonder how this will affect the poor shareholders. Why doesn't anyone think of them?


The problem is that Adobe is as close to a monopoly as you can get, and they've essentially "Won" the game. The issue here is that the world keeps turning and there is no "Winning" and Adobe needs to find SOME way to return an increase in value to their shareholders while essentially having NOWHERE higher to go. You climbed Everest, and reached the peak, but shareholders demand you always go higher and higher. It doesn't matter HOW you do it. Just make more money. More. More. Line go up. More is better than All. Have everything? you don't have more. Already have more? Still need more.

They can always make new innovative software.
 
I wonder how this will affect the poor shareholders. Why doesn't anyone think of them?


The problem is that Adobe is as close to a monopoly as you can get, and they've essentially "Won" the game.
This is why Adobe has gotten away with this kind of crap for so long. As an example, I learned Photoshop years ago and don't know how to use any other image manipulation tool. Everything else (including Photoshop Elements) all seemed entirely backwards to me. So I keep my Adobe subscription for just that reason. However, I've reached a point where I've had to trim costs everywhere I can thanks to rising costs for just about everything and I don't think I'm alone in looking to cut spending on subscriptions. As it is, I've cut out all the streaming services except Amazon Prime.
 
As a Lightroom and Photoshop user I can say that Adobe has seriously embraced AI in some recent releases. Can't speak for the rest of Creative Cloud.
AI is in many other parts of Adobe as well. I use it frequently. I tried Affinity and other products again, and it looks like I'm sticking with Adobe, despite their BS.
 
depends on what you need to do. reader is basically pointless when all web browsers can view pdfs. and windows can "save to pdf" now too. so...
Sadly none of the browsers work with form fillable PDF’s correctly. So very annoying.
 
Sadly none of the browsers work with form fillable PDF’s correctly. So very annoying.
Another serious deficiency is their support for JS. I used to maintain a site that would use JS embedded in PDFs to fill in a form, and almost every year one browser or another would either suddenly stop supporting it or suddenly start. Very annoying.
 
So I bit the bullet and bought Nitro, for a fully-featured PDF reader and editor. Wasn't the cheapest, but a friend tried out several different PDF editors, and recommended this one. License purchase, no monthly subscription for Nitro.

Does everything I need, inclduding forms, highlighting, erasing (redacting), delete or rearrange pages, etc
 
I remember it was either in the late 90s or early 2000s if you scanned a federal reserve note using TWAIN and Adobe it would tell you that it's not allowed!
Not gonna stop someone with an epson firewire scanner using paint shop pro 5.x on winXP! There's nothing wrong with scanning money for art just as one is allowed to deface currency to make jewelry. But you know those bad folk bleaching washington notes and putting ben in his place... ;-)
 
I remember it was either in the late 90s or early 2000s if you scanned a federal reserve note using TWAIN and Adobe it would tell you that it's not allowed!
Not gonna stop someone with an epson firewire scanner using paint shop pro 5.x on winXP! There's nothing wrong with scanning money for art just as one is allowed to deface currency to make jewelry. But you know those bad folk bleaching washington notes and putting ben in his place... ;-)
I used to service Sharp MFPs. The control boards recognized US currency, maybe others, and would refuse to copy or scan in color when currency was detected. I think they might have blocked B/W imaging as well but it’s been over a decade since that job.
 
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