Adobe's new TOS grants them unrestricted access to all of your projects

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https://www.computing.co.uk/news/4268783/adobe-users-revolt-updated-terms
Photoshop users are being forced to provide the company with unlimited access to their projects, including those that might be under the NDA, for "content review" and other purposes.

It defines "content" as "any text, information, communication, or material, such as audio files, video files, electronic documents, or images, that you upload, import into, embed for use by, or create using the Services and Software."

The new terms even give Adobe the right to analyze subscribers content using techniques such as machine learning. This has led many to speculate that the company intends to use all user-generated content to train its AI models. It's not an outlandish idea given Adobe's recent focus on products built on GenAI such as Firefly.

The General Terms of Use were updated in February 2024 but Adobe has pushed out the update over the last few days, locking applications like Photoshop and Substance 3D that its users have already paid for until they consent to the new terms.

Welcome to 1984, sorry I mean 2024. Forget you'll own nothing you pay for, you no longer even own what you create.
 
Adobe says the terms of use are strictly for functional purposes, and that it doesn't own your content or use it to train AI.

I'm sure some folks will insist that's just a cover story, but I've seen this happen more than once where the wording sends everyone into a panic and ends up being a nothingburger.
 
I'd be outraged but I don't really engage with their products in any way to begin with.
 
lol like they dont already have access.
edit: this thread reminds me , i need to turf CC and premier from my work machine, premier was too complicated for what i needed and its a waste of space...
 
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Rossman did a rant on this the other day. Pretty crappy they lock your content if you don’t agree.

Might agree, download and delete everything, but they probably have all your content backed up somewhere.
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And since you clicked agree to get your stuff, they can use your backed up content.
 
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Adobe says the terms of use are strictly for functional purposes, and that it doesn't own your content or use it to train AI.

I'm sure some folks will insist that's just a cover story, but I've seen this happen more than once where the wording sends everyone into a panic and ends up being a nothingburger.
are you even listening to yourself? if they don't need it for some kind of research or ai training then they shouldn't need it at all!!? why you guys are always simping for corporations blatant and disgusting privacy violations is beyond me. do you have curtains and a front door on your house and if so why? are you a criminal or something?
 
are you even listening to yourself? if they don't need it for some kind of research or ai training then they shouldn't need it at all!!? why you guys are always simping for corporations blatant and disgusting privacy violations is beyond me. do you have curtains and a front door on your house and if so why? are you a criminal or something?
Yep, lots of people like this recently with similar situations. Sick of people normalizing getting screwed because "they have nothing to hide or its just the way it is so get used to it".
 
are you even listening to yourself? if they don't need it for some kind of research or ai training then they shouldn't need it at all!!? why you guys are always simping for corporations blatant and disgusting privacy violations is beyond me. do you have curtains and a front door on your house and if so why? are you a criminal or something?
Not quite, the new Adobe versions do some generative AI work and that AI is hosted in their Adobe creative cloud datacenter’s. So they need the permissions to functionally send the data to the datacenter to do the work you’ve requested to display it on the screen.

The file might be on your device, in your licensed version of Adobe, and you are actively clicking the button to tell it to use their AI engine to do the thing. But Adobe needs to have the language in the TOS otherwise they will get sued, because that would be an easy win for one of those lawyers out there who hunt for this stuff, they exist. So it’s a blanket CYA policy in the TOS, it could be abused, but if Adobe did they would quickly find themselves in a lawsuit they don’t want.
Imagine Disney or Paramount or Netflix finding out their first party original work was being used by Adobe in their generative AI process…. There would be a lot of richer lawyers and one hell of a hurting Adobe when all was said and done.
 
If you haven't looked at Krita or Serif Affinity, hopefully this will encourage you to give them a try.
 
Write script to fetch images of poop, load them, then caption "adobe sux" to them.

AI is nothing more than deterministic statistics, shit in shit out is the best cover for your actual work.
 
Adobe says the terms of use are strictly for functional purposes, and that it doesn't own your content or use it to train AI.
No one thought that meant Adobe will now be the copyrights owner here, the last sentence:

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automated systems may analyze your content using technique such as ML in order to improve the software seem to leave the door quite open for it.
 
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No one thought that meant Adobe will now by the copyrights owner here, the last sentence:

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automated systems may analyze your content using technique such as ML in order to improve the software seem to leave the door quite open for it.
Leaving the door open isn't quite the same as actively doing it, though, and Adobe explicitly stated in a follow-up that its generative AI isn't training on user content.

It's good to be wary of the language in terms of service, but here it sounds like a lot of people are itching to find a conspiracy when it's really just a poor choice of words. And it's frustrating that some are quick to cry "simp!" if you try to paint a realistic, nuanced view of the situation.
 
If they really just do some: Adobe will scan content uploaded to the creative cloud to check for child porn and other illegal content like phishing scams, like most cloud provider that will be ok to most, but the TOS should be clearer if that the case.
 
Yeah I can see this being a bit of an issue for legal documents... oh hey Adobe gets to see everything you do before you even have a chance to send it off.
 
Adobe says the terms of use are strictly for functional purposes, and that it doesn't own your content or use it to train AI.

I'm sure some folks will insist that's just a cover story, but I've seen this happen more than once where the wording sends everyone into a panic and ends up being a nothingburger.
It's not a nothingburger if you are a freelancer and if your clients are concerned or worse.
 
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Leaving the door open isn't quite the same as actively doing it, though, and Adobe explicitly stated in a follow-up that its generative AI isn't training on user content.

It's good to be wary of the language in terms of service, but here it sounds like a lot of people are itching to find a conspiracy when it's really just a poor choice of words. And it's frustrating that some are quick to cry "simp!" if you try to paint a realistic, nuanced view of the situation.
1. Holding a gun to your head doesn't mean I'm going to shoot you, so you should be comfortable with it!

2. There is no such thing as "poor choice of words" when it comes to EULAs and TOS-es. You can be damn sure that every word has been carefully weighed by an army of lawyers to maximize benefit and minimize risk for the corporation.

3. That they say they are not going to use it for generative AI doesn't make it OK either, just because it is not used for that exact purpose doesn't mean they can't benefit from it in other ways. And they can further alter the terms at any time removing the line that says it won't be used in generative AI training.
 
Install an old version of Photoshop that you could actually download?

These subscriber models are BS. "You will own nothing and be happy." Housing, software, music, etc.
I haven’t installed my copy of adobe sw in a while. I’m sure they have probably disabled my license key and the server that validates it to get me to “upgrade” to creative cloud or whatever they are calling it now
 
This doesn't surprise me coming from a company like Adobe....their software has been rather bloated for years now. They have a few big names (ie. Photoshop) and they're going to milk it for all it's worth.
 
Adobe is an absolute mess right now.
I'd like to know when they broke Acrobat Reader so that saving changes to a PDF with an embedded form I filled out causes it to do a save as instead. Jerks.
 
Leaving the door open isn't quite the same as actively doing it, though, and Adobe explicitly stated in a follow-up that its generative AI isn't training on user content.

It's good to be wary of the language in terms of service, but here it sounds like a lot of people are itching to find a conspiracy when it's really just a poor choice of words. And it's frustrating that some are quick to cry "simp!" if you try to paint a realistic, nuanced view of the situation.
I get your point, but at the same time, this kind of snafu has happened often enough for long enough that they should know better to leave the interpretation open. A few paragraphs about how "none of this means we're going to scan every file you have for any nefarious purposes" etc., specifically including the mention above about how they need to have that permission to process AI stuff on their own servers, could've prevented this.
 
Adobe says the terms of use are strictly for functional purposes, and that it doesn't own your content or use it to train AI.

I'm sure some folks will insist that's just a cover story, but I've seen this happen more than once where the wording sends everyone into a panic and ends up being a nothingburger.

I agree with what you're saying, at least in the present. However, I think we've all seen these companies play a very long game these days. And so for now I think you're right: they probably just need that language to provide some services for you. However, in the long run? It's a door. And it only takes enough beancounters to eventually convince everyone, "Guys, I think we should walk through that door". Or maybe they already have a long term plan to do so.

AI art and image generation is a really profitable featureset in the long term. If they can get ahead of the pack and provide "layman-level" AI generation ahead of everyone else, that would directly drive profit to them--both from consumers and from enterprises (with the latter aiming to save costs by paying prompters rather than artists).

Everything seems so innocuous until it isn't.
 
I'd like to know when they broke Acrobat Reader so that saving changes to a PDF with an embedded form I filled out causes it to do a save as instead. Jerks.
I was under the impression that was functioning as intended as you rarely want to save over the original of a fillable form. But yeah that’s an annoyance for sure.
 
I was under the impression that was functioning as intended as you rarely want to save over the original of a fillable form.
Huh. Well, maybe so. This particular form was something I have to fill out regularly, so I make a copy, rename the copy to add the current date to the filename, then fill in the form and hit File | Save. The workflow is just a bit annoying. Once I tell it yeah, I want to save it as the filename it already has, if I save it a second time, that works like normal.
 
Not to be cynical...

But they have probably been training on hosted data, and now they have to cover their asses as their deployed models use customer content to train.... and they just figured out how huge their legal exposure is.

"Using data to improve services" means training their ai on your shit to automatically make other peoples work as good as yours.

Expecting everyone to give up copyright to all their work in blanket terms... is an IP grab of stupendous proportions.
 
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I keep planning to shift away from adobe but then never bother. If I used it for business purposes I’d have already left it. It was already pretty obvious with their move to the cloud subscription service they wanted back door access to all of their customers projects for ip theft.
 
I keep planning to shift away from adobe but then never bother. If I used it for business purposes I’d have already left it. It was already pretty obvious with their move to the cloud subscription service they wanted back door access to all of their customers projects for ip theft.
If you're a professional then you'll keep using Adobe products. You're also unlikely to stop using them because nobody wants to relearn how to use an application. I use Photoshop casually and as a Linux user I'm fine with CS6. Even I can't spend the time to learn to use something like Krita. I hear Affinity Photo is a good alternative, and there's Photopea but it's an online version of CS6, so not something a professional would use. This is the problem with TOU in that it can change and there's nothing really you can do about it.
 
Adobe says the terms of use are strictly for functional purposes, and that it doesn't own your content or use it to train AI.

I'm sure some folks will insist that's just a cover story, but I've seen this happen more than once where the wording sends everyone into a panic and ends up being a nothingburger.

Based on the abuse of large companies and your data, they will word it how ever will benefit them.
 
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Adobe says the terms of use are strictly for functional purposes, and that it doesn't own your content or use it to train AI.

I'm sure some folks will insist that's just a cover story, but I've seen this happen more than once where the wording sends everyone into a panic and ends up being a nothingburger.
As ToU stands it's still not good. Adobe is still profiting off you in a way that it shouldn't be able to. Lets drop the argument over training AI and content and just "assume" they are an upstanding company that never would do something like suck up all your content to train AI :rolleyes: . The ToS still says they can suck up all your techniques and procedures on how you modify your content since that is strictly functional aspects of the program. So if you found a neat way to do some effect, by some combination of procedures, they can steal it and make it part of the program without acknowledging you, asking your consent, or paying you. Once upon a time, you could make a plugin or script and could even sell it, but under the current ToS, Adobe can literally steal it and add it as a new feature since you allow them to by just using the program. The whole cloud thing is the biggest con of the century. You pay them to use the software and they spy on you to see how you use the program, then they can steal your techniques and make them into new one button push scripts so all users can do it thus shitting on your time, effort, and marketability as an artist. Adobe no longer even has to hire artists to help them make improvements to the software they have their user base do it for them and have users pay them to do it.
 
Leaving the door open isn't quite the same as actively doing it, though, and Adobe explicitly stated in a follow-up that its generative AI isn't training on user content.

It's good to be wary of the language in terms of service, but here it sounds like a lot of people are itching to find a conspiracy when it's really just a poor choice of words. And it's frustrating that some are quick to cry "simp!" if you try to paint a realistic, nuanced view of the situation.

Seems pretty clear here:
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I feel like this would be illegal in many countries.
The problem is that you can't even unsubscribe from the service without consenting to the new terms. But I don't think it is illegal per se. You'd have to sue them in almost all countries to get your way and hope they don't pay off the judge, or the judge isn't a corporate shill to begin with.
 
Apparently it is old boiler plate that let them make a thumbnail of your save file using its content and then when you browse your files and want to share them instead they can still use the thumbnail and what not (that why for example they could need to publicly display but public make it sound larger than the people for who you sent a link too). And create derivative work sound way larger than make thumbnail for your own web GUI that no one else than you will see. And why wouild it need to sublicense (apparently it is again some third party service you can decide to connect to your account and will have thumbnail, etc...)

But the wording is quite overly generous, the example is maybe the only things they do with it.... but it is vague and large.
 
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