Since word broke about issues arising with the RTX cards, I have been monitoring the situation very carefully, perhaps obsessively. A trend I have noticed reading through many threads, is a massive amount of conjecture, accusations of Nvidia/retailers lying about RMA figures, and a lot of numbers being thrown around as to what the actual RMA/defect rate is on many of these cards. Being as though I am the soon to be owner of a RTX 2080 (ROG STRIX OC), I have closely followed word on the 2080 specifically, and have done my own investigation as to what the failure rate could possibly be on this particular model. Admittedly, I do not have access to totally complete data, as no one other than Nvidia knows the total amount of cards sold, actual RMA rates, etc. But what I am attempting to do is use all the data that I do have available to me, and rather than just provide conjecture, instead provide my actual findings.
Findings on the RTX 2080
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Newegg
135 reviews
1 fail EVGA reference board (non specific failure)
1 fail EVGA reference board (non specific failure)
1 fail EVGA reference board (possibly user error)
1 fail ASUS reference board (non specific failure)
Amazon
114 Reviews
1 fail MSI Custom Board (non specific failure)
1 fail MSI Custom Board (non specific failure)
1 fail ASUS reference board (non specific failure)
Failure rate= 2.81 %
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Poll from right here on Hardforum
"Do YOU have Problems with YOUR RTX card?"
104 Votes
RTX 2080 received 1 Vote 0.7% Percent
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REDDIT Results of the 2080 reliability Survey
119 RTX 2080 Cards submitted
115/119 cards working or 97.5%
Not-Working 3/119 or 2.5%
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Der8auer on RTX 2080/Ti RMA rates (AiB cards only)
Results as of 11/5/18
RMA RATES
2080 ~ 0.17%
2080Ti ~ 1.4%
It must be noted that according to Der8auer, he indicated that MORE 2080's have been sold than 2080ti's at this point, a figure he described as "approaching 4 figures".
So, more 2080's sold, and hugely less RMA's than the 2080ti.
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FINDINGS ON RTX 2070
For the RTX 2070, Newegg currently has 58 reviews. Amazon has 45 reviews.
Of those 103 reviews, I found 21, yes, TWENTY ONE, reviews saying they have received a faulty card. That is a defect rate of 20.39 %.
I find this figure to be striking, and definitely raises some red flags to me.
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OTHER FINDINGS
1.Newegg currently has 55 reviews for the 2080ti. Amazon currently has 56 reviews, for a total of 111 reviews. Although this doesn't tell us the actual sales figures are, we can probably exclude the argument that more 2080ti's are in the wild versus the 2080. Evidence suggests that is probably not the case.
2. Of the failures that I did find of the RTX 2080, only 2 if I recall correctly, mentioned the word "artifacting". Some of the reported "failures" in those reviews I am skeptical of, as some were complaints of games crashing, no video signal coming from the GPU, etc.
Other things to note.
1. Founders Edition 2080's are not included in my data above, due to data like user reviews not being available. Therefore, I cannot ascertain as to how that would change any of my findings.
2. I am not claiming that the RTX 2080 is immune from the issues that the 2080ti is facing. I'm certain that once this thread is live, there are going to be users chiming in who have had issues with their 2080. I have seen some evidence that the 2080, in two reports, can display the same exact "Space Invaders" artifacting that is common with the 2080ti. I'm just simply providing evidence that this "issue", whatever it may be, doesn't seem to be plaguing the 2080 in the way that it is affecting the 2080ti, or what seems like, the 2070 to some extent.
3. Again, I am not presenting any of this data as "Absolute", I am just making the most likely conclusion I can with the available data.
As to what the true nature of this problem is with the RTX cards, truth be told, I don't have a clue. Initially, I thought that this might just be a case of the technology being pushed too far in the design of these cards, but seeing the same failures are happening on the 2070, it seems that's probably not the case.
Undoubtedly, there are people out there with cards that have issues, this is undisputable, and evidence that I have seen says that the RMA figure that Nvidia has given on the 2080Ti is questionable at best. But with that said, there is also a part of me that wouldn't be surprised to find that a large amount of these reports, complaints, etc, are in fact false claims made by individuals looking to fan the flames of this controversy. There is little doubt in my mind that, had these cards been released at a lower price point and had better performance than they do, these issues would not have been blown up to the extent that they have been.
That said, what have I learned by all of this? Truth be told, now I have more questions than answers at this point.
Findings on the RTX 2080
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Newegg
135 reviews
1 fail EVGA reference board (non specific failure)
1 fail EVGA reference board (non specific failure)
1 fail EVGA reference board (possibly user error)
1 fail ASUS reference board (non specific failure)
Amazon
114 Reviews
1 fail MSI Custom Board (non specific failure)
1 fail MSI Custom Board (non specific failure)
1 fail ASUS reference board (non specific failure)
Failure rate= 2.81 %
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Poll from right here on Hardforum
"Do YOU have Problems with YOUR RTX card?"
104 Votes
RTX 2080 received 1 Vote 0.7% Percent
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REDDIT Results of the 2080 reliability Survey
119 RTX 2080 Cards submitted
115/119 cards working or 97.5%
Not-Working 3/119 or 2.5%
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Der8auer on RTX 2080/Ti RMA rates (AiB cards only)
Results as of 11/5/18
RMA RATES
2080 ~ 0.17%
2080Ti ~ 1.4%
It must be noted that according to Der8auer, he indicated that MORE 2080's have been sold than 2080ti's at this point, a figure he described as "approaching 4 figures".
So, more 2080's sold, and hugely less RMA's than the 2080ti.
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FINDINGS ON RTX 2070
For the RTX 2070, Newegg currently has 58 reviews. Amazon has 45 reviews.
Of those 103 reviews, I found 21, yes, TWENTY ONE, reviews saying they have received a faulty card. That is a defect rate of 20.39 %.
I find this figure to be striking, and definitely raises some red flags to me.
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OTHER FINDINGS
1.Newegg currently has 55 reviews for the 2080ti. Amazon currently has 56 reviews, for a total of 111 reviews. Although this doesn't tell us the actual sales figures are, we can probably exclude the argument that more 2080ti's are in the wild versus the 2080. Evidence suggests that is probably not the case.
2. Of the failures that I did find of the RTX 2080, only 2 if I recall correctly, mentioned the word "artifacting". Some of the reported "failures" in those reviews I am skeptical of, as some were complaints of games crashing, no video signal coming from the GPU, etc.
Other things to note.
1. Founders Edition 2080's are not included in my data above, due to data like user reviews not being available. Therefore, I cannot ascertain as to how that would change any of my findings.
2. I am not claiming that the RTX 2080 is immune from the issues that the 2080ti is facing. I'm certain that once this thread is live, there are going to be users chiming in who have had issues with their 2080. I have seen some evidence that the 2080, in two reports, can display the same exact "Space Invaders" artifacting that is common with the 2080ti. I'm just simply providing evidence that this "issue", whatever it may be, doesn't seem to be plaguing the 2080 in the way that it is affecting the 2080ti, or what seems like, the 2070 to some extent.
3. Again, I am not presenting any of this data as "Absolute", I am just making the most likely conclusion I can with the available data.
As to what the true nature of this problem is with the RTX cards, truth be told, I don't have a clue. Initially, I thought that this might just be a case of the technology being pushed too far in the design of these cards, but seeing the same failures are happening on the 2070, it seems that's probably not the case.
Undoubtedly, there are people out there with cards that have issues, this is undisputable, and evidence that I have seen says that the RMA figure that Nvidia has given on the 2080Ti is questionable at best. But with that said, there is also a part of me that wouldn't be surprised to find that a large amount of these reports, complaints, etc, are in fact false claims made by individuals looking to fan the flames of this controversy. There is little doubt in my mind that, had these cards been released at a lower price point and had better performance than they do, these issues would not have been blown up to the extent that they have been.
That said, what have I learned by all of this? Truth be told, now I have more questions than answers at this point.
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