Acer Predator XR341CK 34" 144Hz Curved Gaming Screen with G-sync

interestingly enough, it looks like the information has been redacted from the swift FAQ.

this is what I was thinking of, brought up in terms of display daisy chaining.

http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1040975793&postcount=1322

However, following through the link in that post, you can see the quoted comment was removed. So maybe it will fit inside the bandwidth offered by dp1.2
 
jackstar7 said:
Right... but does that seem like it would be something engineers could lock into place?

I'm thinking about the Overlords/Koreans/etc. that were inconsistent at hitting 120Hz. Saying it can do a thing, and then making it do that thing consistently and without other issues (as DP gives people fits all the time) just seems like a lot of wishing to me.
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The spec is the spec. It should work fine.

As for the Korean overclock monitors, those have nothing to do with Displayport.
 
Even though the LG turned out to be 2560x1080, that doesn't say anything about this monitor. It's not like they have to do much out the ordinary to build a 3440x1440 variable and high refresh rate monitor. Display controllers, scalers, etc with the required bandwidth already exist, and the panels are likely made from the same mother-panel that the 2560x1440's are made from, so refresh rates have already been proven. Basically they need to source a panel, design an enclosure, and configure sourced electronics for the panel, same as you do for any new monitor.

TLDR
The only real thing holding 3440x1440 variable refresh rate monitors back from market is uncertainty of sales. Whenever a manufacturer actually makes one, well then....
 
I just saw this thread searching for a 21:9 monitor with g-sync/freesync. If it includes everything they listed. It will be the first Acer monitor I have bought in a long time!
 
I'm actually hoping it's a 1ms response time TN because ips response times smear like a 60hz tn or worse, the worst/baseline (smearing) amount of blur on a lcd. 120hz 1ms TN cuts this by 50%, 144hz 1ms TN cuts this by 60%, both blurring more within the "shadow masks" of on screen objects/elements instead of smearing. IPS response time is too slow. I have no interest in ips smear-blur "outside of the lines" of everything in the scene in my entire game world viewport, especially on a 1st/3rd person game during continual mouse-looking and movement-keying personally. Good gaming TN's are capable of lush, saturated color, just not the highest %'s of the color spectrum accurate color shade degrees (which are questionable as far as even being utilized in games). The screen uniformity/TN-shift/"shadow" on the edges is always a tradeoff though too. Hopefully the curvature would assist vs TN shift/shadow and it will be TN.
 
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Actually I feel opposite I want it to be IPS.

Viewing angle, color accuracy, etc.

What's better let's get OLED
 
Any word on the samsung 21:9 144hz gsync model? I know that they have a 21:9 60hz va one out.
tomshardware - samsung SE790C curved 21:9, 60hz
According to the blog, the new curved monitor has a static contrast ratio of 3,000:1, a typical brightness of 300 cd/m2, a response time of 4ms and 178 degree viewing angles.
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I guess that one has 4ms response time so I'm guessing real world both of these will be more like 6ms (which produces smearing blur) unless the acer predator is a 1ms TN. I'm not too hopeful for it to be TN since none of the 21:9's I've heard about have ever been TN. TN does have shift/shadow but the curved screen would help compensate somewhat on the extra width beyond a 16:9 TN's width. It sounds like these might not be out for awhile but I will be interested in their results in blur testing (as well as their overall performance of course).

edit: The more I think about it, a better option down the line when the higher displayport specs (1.3 - 1.4a) are out on gpus might be that some 4k 120hz input g-sync 1ms TN gaming panel might spring up (hopefully a large enough one that you could run 21:9 mode optionally on it as a large viewport space) as well as having the option to alternately use pixel doubling of 1080p cleanly instead for some games. If something like that showed up it would prob be a long time from now though, and of course OLED further down the line and (hopefully 1440p or higher) oculus rift/VR headsets with high hz and screen blanking someday.
 
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I guess there is some hope for some of the modern ips gaming panels.

Vega said:
Acer has done a wonderful job with the IPS motion clarity according to TFTCentral on their new Predator monitor. Virtually zero overshoot and they prefer it to the Swift.
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linuxdude9 said:
It's using an AUO IPS display, versus the typical LG IPS or Samsung PLS displays we usually see.

Perhaps AUO tuned their display for a better response time and overdrive than LG or Samsung.
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The review of this Acer 27" IPS monitor shows that combined with the overdrive, the increased refresh rate does lower the pixel response time. http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/acer_xb270hu.htm

elvn said:
I'll be watching carefully for the results on the "Acer Predator XR341CK 34" 144Hz 21:9 Curved Gaming Screen with G-sync ". I'd be happy to see the kind of blur reduction a 144hz on a 1ms TN does on the most modern IPS gaming monitors coming out.
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http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/acer_xb270hu.htm

Response times were very impressive and fast, and beyond what we expected from an IPS-type panel. We were expecting response times to be around the 8.6ms mark at best, which is what we'd experienced fairly consistently from other modern IPS panels. The refresh rate dynamically affects the overdrive control on this model, so response times reach down to 5.5ms G2G by the time you reach 144Hz. Best of all, if you stick to the 'normal' OD mode, all this is achievable without introducing any overshoot. The fastest TN Film models like the Asus ROG Swift PG278Q might have had slightly faster pixel transitions by a few ms, but their overshoot was at moderate levels. We actually preferred the artefact-free fluidity of the panel here and response times were low enough to be able to cope with the high frame rates offered. That's been the problem with overclockable Korean models, leading to common issues with ghosting and blurring even though you get a more fluid feel to the screen thanks to the overclocked refresh rate. Here, the pixel response times are very good so combined with the high refresh rate, it's a great gaming experience. As we've already mentioned, you also get the added benefits of the image quality offered from the IPS-type panel as compared with TN Film models.
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Regarding ulmb/strobing , (seems to indicate that it will blur due to transition time outside of strobing at higher ms response times too).
http://forums.blurbusters.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1777

A 6ms GtG screen is too slow for clean 120Hz strobing.
Even a 3ms GtG screen is too slow for clean 120Hz strobing; as real-world GtG is often 6ms.

You really want 1ms GtG, to have most (>99%) of real-world GtG complete inside a vertical blanking interval (the time not spent scanning the screen) -- a tiny fraction of an LCD refresh cycle.
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Similar to what elvn said , I want to point out that the tftcentral review of Acer xb270hu may hint at the sort of panel we are looking for the 34 inch curved model.

Yes, ULMB strobbing will be weak, at 80-100hz. IPS will never be as fast as TN.
Both IPS(specifically in this case AHVA) and TN use overdrive(RTC compensation) to achieve those fast response times.

The difference is the Asus ROG Swift does it with a pretty big error, and Acer Predator does it with almost perfect display.
It all comes down to this simple decision:
1. Asus ROG Swift: (OD normal) average 2.9 ms with a lot of overdrive errors
2. Acer Predator: (OD normal) average 5.5 ms with pristine display

Yeah strobbing wants fastest possible display. No blur is nice, but not at any cost!

Still, Acer Predator if it turns out to be 34inch curved 144hz 3440x1440, even at 2500$, even released in 2016, it would still be nothing less than the PORNSTAR of all gaming monitors!

/drool
Give it to me baby
 
wye said:
Similar to what elvn said , I want to point out that the tftcentral review of Acer xb270hu may hint at the sort of panel we are looking for the 34 inch curved model.

Yes, ULMB strobbing will be weak, at 80-100hz. IPS will never be as fast as TN.
Both IPS(specifically in this case AHVA) and TN use overdrive(RTC compensation) to achieve those fast response times.

The difference is the Asus ROG Swift does it with a pretty big error, and Acer Predator does it with almost perfect display.
It all comes down to this simple decision:
1. Asus ROG Swift: (OD normal) average 2.9 ms with a lot of overdrive errors
2. Acer Predator: (OD normal) average 5.5 ms with pristine display

Yeah strobbing wants fastest possible display. No blur is nice, but not at any cost!

Still, Acer Predator if it turns out to be 34inch curved 144hz 3440x1440, even at 2500$, even released in 2016, it would still be nothing less than the PORNSTAR of all gaming monitors!

/drool
Give it to me baby
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$2500? Yeah, I seriously hope not. Might be worth $1199.
 
The samsung S34E790C curved 34" 21:9 3440x1440 60hz VA one is $1100 - $1300 atm (I feel it will drop a bit from the 1300's point after it's been out a bit), and the other 34" 60hz 21:9 ips panels are around $900 - $1000. I doubt the acer 21:9 34" 144hz g-sync would be priced any/much higher than that neighborhood but I have nothing to back that up. Samsung is supposed to make a 34" 21:9 144hz g-sync model (can't find any word on panel type used) as well but it looks like the acer will be out sooner.
 
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If this monitor is 34" Curved 3440x1440 144 Hz VA or IPS with ULMB with good quality control, I'd pay upwards of $3000. It's basically the holy grail of LCD displays. I fully expect it to be in the $1500-$2000 range at launch. Just a "regular" 34" Curved 60 Hz display on the market is $1300.
 
wye said:
Similar to what elvn said , I want to point out that the tftcentral review of Acer xb270hu may hint at the sort of panel we are looking for the 34 inch curved model.

Yes, ULMB strobbing will be weak, at 80-100hz. IPS will never be as fast as TN.
Both IPS(specifically in this case AHVA) and TN use overdrive(RTC compensation) to achieve those fast response times.

The difference is the Asus ROG Swift does it with a pretty big error, and Acer Predator does it with almost perfect display.
It all comes down to this simple decision:
1. Asus ROG Swift: (OD normal) average 2.9 ms with a lot of overdrive errors
2. Acer Predator: (OD normal) average 5.5 ms with pristine display

Yeah strobbing wants fastest possible display. No blur is nice, but not at any cost!

Still, Acer Predator if it turns out to be 34inch curved 144hz 3440x1440, even at 2500$, even released in 2016, it would still be nothing less than the PORNSTAR of all gaming monitors!

/drool
Give it to me baby
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I think it is more like:
1. "fuzz" level of blur within the "shadow mask" of onscreen objects/elements on the 1ms 120hz-144hz TN's/swift (with overshoot errors)...
vs
2: what we have yet to see in pursuit camera shots of potential IPS smear blur of 5.5ms response time but without overshoot errors.

Will it be
within the object "fuzz" blur suffering a single overshoot ghost "border"
compared to a 5.5ms smear blur with no overshoot ghost?
Or do the two look equivalent or at least very close in presentation, or is it a matter of taste or even bias?

This is a pursuit camera shot used as an example of overdrive error from the blurbusters site. It is not the swift so do not take this as a representation of how far the overshoot is on the swift. I have no idea what monitor he used for this I just thought I'd post it to show blur + overshoot shown with a pursuit camera.
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this is from the tftcentral review of the swift:
When you switch OD to 'normal' the blurring is eliminated greatly, and you see a sharper moving image as a result. There is some very slight dark trailing shown in the sample colour transitions used in PixPerAn which you can see in the images. It doesn't affect every colour transition as we've already measured in this section and in gaming it isn't overly problematic.
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TFT central swift overdrive (not pursuit camera shots obviously):
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A side by side pursuit camera shot of each monitor would give a lot more insight than reviewer opinion of the tradeoffs does. (Full in-game scene fast FoV rotation or fast left/right FoV panning pursuit camera shots of the screens would be even better). Otherwise you are taking a subjective opinion until you see it for yourself.


I do hope the tech is great though. I will stick with my swift awhile (which I've had since end of october) most likely until both the acer and the samsung 21:9 144hz g-sync models are out. That might be into 2016, hopefully with a "ti" tier of nvidia cards available to pair with it. Whenever that is, I'll order from somewhere with a good return policy so I can test it out for myself.
 
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Indeed QA can make or break this monitor. This is Acer's chance to climb into the big league and forge itself an exquisite brand name - now they are mostly known for cheap products. Better release later and at higher price than release a faulty product - we are talking about high level enthusiast grade product here - quality matters.

I also hope Nvidia releases an enthusiast level Pascal GPU by then. Because this resolution/refresh certainly can use the sickest GPU(s) you can find.
 
I have had bad experiences with Acer in the past as far as hardware is concerned, but their customer support has never failed me once. I remember an Acer laptop of mine broke down once. I called to the store that sold me it and they redirected me to Acer. Next day, they came and picked it up themselves, personally. I received it fixed a week later.

From what I hear, Acer nowadays isn't all that bad and their other new 27" Predator monitor is apparently better than the 27" Asus Swift. Their looks are gaudy but if this monitor looks like the one in the picture then it doesn't look all that bad. I would've preferred it a bit more blacked out but it looks really stylish.

If it doesn't come out in Q2-Q3 I'm going to get something else though.
 
Any updates on this monitor, im excited about a monitor release for once. I can't wait to get this but haven heard anything other than Q2 2015
 
I'm also watching this one,

but I don't think my setup can do 3440x1440 144z for games...
 
meraki1990 said:
I'm also watching this one,

but I don't think my setup can do 3440x1440 144z for games...
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Subscribed... I'll be watching this as well.

That was exactly my thoughts. How the hell to drive 3440x1440 144Hz. 5 megapixels.

VRAM speed will be very important. Three Titan X's! :D
 
What happened to the Acer 27 inch ips with g sync 144hz that was coming out this month? Want a new monitor!
 
Is it even confirmed that the 3440x1440 version is in fact the 144Hz/Gsync capable model? This is kind of a big detail, as I won't bother if 144Hz/Gsync is limited to the 1080 variant.
 
NukeDukem said:
Is it even confirmed that the 3440x1440 version is in fact the 144Hz/Gsync capable model? This is kind of a big detail, as I won't bother if 144Hz/Gsync is limited to the 1080 variant.
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I agree, i won't either (running the curved LG 34" 3440 x 1440 now and I won't go down to 1080 just for the 144hz/g-sync stuff).

And nope, it hasn't been confirmed. TFT used to be pretty good about updating their news articles as they receive new info (example, scroll down to the acer XB270HU to see updated info), and they haven't updated the blurb on the acerXR341 CK since Jan 22:
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/news_archive/32.htm#acer_xr341ck

I'm still hoping!!
 
From the 27" version's thread:
igluk said:
Pursuit camera tests are on tftcentral now, great! :)

Acer XB270HU
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Asus PG278Q
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more in the updated reviews:
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/asus_rog_swift_pg278q.htm
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/acer_xb270hu.htm

looks good on both imo. a faint ghosting trail on the Acer as predicted, I guess the remaining differences are due to the camera settings.
there is some overshoot crosstalk visible on both ULMB pics, but it says "All in all, when using ULMB you are unlikely to spot any real difference between the two screens unless you were running them side by side and looking incredibly closely."
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Nice monitor, but it has one major drawback....it's an Acer. Acer was behind the garbage XHD3000 and I have no reason to believe their quality or customer support have improved since then.

For me, it'll likely be NEC again or Eizo. Whatever I end up buying, it'll be professional-grade...;)
 
I would be stunned if this thing comes out any time soon. Its March and zero news so far. Its either vapor ware or late 2015 early 2016 :\
 
fingers crossed the 'other' version mentioned in the OP will be an A-sync model.
 
lutjens said:
Nice monitor, but it has one major drawback....it's an Acer. Acer was behind the garbage XHD3000 and I have no reason to believe their quality or customer support have improved since then.

For me, it'll likely be NEC again or Eizo. Whatever I end up buying, it'll be professional-grade...;)
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I heard there will be a samsung 21:9 3440x1440 144hz g-sync monitor too but it will probably be in 2016. I'm thinking there will probably be others too, maybe an lg, etc. I'm waiting on the samsung one to compare. The recently released samsung 21:9 60hz is VA so who knows if they can pull off a 144hz g-sync VA even but that is just me daydreaming. The only eizo gaming monitor I am aware of is the fg2421 120hz 1080p VA with backlight strobing which reportedly was "leftover" or worse-grade panels from a medical grade panel line and had a major panel lottery with issues. Professional grade monitor names/models are more typically 60hz and designed for desktop/app static imagery which they excel at but are poor choices for dynamic/motion modern gaming monitors.
 
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Right from the bat TFTCentral said this was a Q2/Q3 display, so not sure why people are crying about release dates. I honestly don't expect it before Halloween.
 
Vega said:
Right from the bat TFTCentral said this was a Q2/Q3 display, so not sure why people are crying about release dates. I honestly don't expect it before Halloween.
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I would agree your date, actually your date might be a little optimistic even. Id be happy to get the 34" Predator before Christmas.

I think what most are pissed at (myself included) is the lack of some new info from Acer. After the giant let down (to me anyway) when LGs new 34" screen w/ free sync turned out to be that 2560 x 1080 instead of 3440 x 1440...

Well lets just say I'm currently living in fear that this Acer might turn out a let down.
 
I would rather have them spend the time to design and manufacture an awesome product than rush it out the door IMO.

If this thing is really 144 Hz G-Sync/ULMB 34" curved 3440x1440 IPS/VA, it's WELL worth the wait. Holy grail of gaming displays.
 
Vega said:
I would rather have them spend the time to design and manufacture an awesome product than rush it out the door IMO.

If this thing is really 144 Hz G-Sync/ULMB 34" curved 3440x1440 IPS/VA, it's WELL worth the wait. Holy grail of gaming displays.
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Couldn't agree more.

I am also excited to see what this brings from the competition. Standards are evolving and soon we will have the luxury of choosing WHICH 144 Hz G-Sync/ULMB 34" curved 3440x1440 IPS/VA display we would like.

Q1/Q2 2016 is when I hope to pick up a display of this category. I would hate to purchase the first-to-release and have a more polished product come out from a competitor one quarter later.
 
Vega said:
Right from the bat TFTCentral said this was a Q2/Q3 display, so not sure why people are crying about release dates.
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Because I have been waiting for over a decade for an LCD that comes somewhat close to the picture quality of a CRT!

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Held onto my beloved CRTs until they started to hit the wall and now am stuck with a borrowed shitty 1680x1050 LCD. The day I can finally upgrade will be glorious!
 
Blade-Runner said:
Because I have been waiting for over a decade for an LCD that comes somewhat close to the picture quality of a CRT!

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Held onto my beloved CRTs until they started to hit the wall and now am stuck with a borrowed shitty 1680x1050 LCD. The day I can finally upgrade will be glorious!
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That's pretty gay dude.
 
I only saw Q2 on the announcement, not Q2/Q3. I wouldn't mind waiting until Halloween though. The Swift can satisfy me until then.
 
sharknice said:
I only saw Q2 on the announcement, not Q2/Q3. I wouldn't mind waiting until Halloween though. The Swift can satisfy me until then.
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If you've been doing this long enough, you know if they state April it really means May, and if they state Q2, it really means Q3. ;)
 
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