Acer Predator X27 4K G-Sync Display is Loud and Cheap

4k = dumb for gaming over 60fps at current 1080ti levels.
4k on 27" = double dumb. 32" or more.
 
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$2000 is laughable.

Don't worry, soon we will have lots of competent TVs with comparable specs for less than that.

Since it already is a super chunky monitor, they should have put in a 12cm+ fan.
 
arnemetis said:
Do you think all the people that have already have them, and have issues, are happy campers? They are the early adopters of a niche market, and set the stage for future potential buyers. Having early reviews of the product show such glaring issues is not good for such a high end luxury device few will buy anyway. All I'm saying is a gaming LCD at this price point needs to be damn near flawless, with such heavy competition as you mentioned already present.
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"all the people" ..... one guy's video? Some other guys here that have one saying it's loud but not that loud. Tell me, how many people is it that make up "all the people"?

The guy that made this video admittedly "set the bar" pretty high right from the start because of the high price. He was expecting a lot for his money. Again, what did that ASUS 34" run when they were first sold? Anyone remember? I'm pretty sure it was a good $1600 if I remember right. They weren't perfect either and years later, they still are not perfect. I have the X34 as I said and I really like it, but it's not perfect.

This guy had high hopes but he also had perhaps too high expectations, he's bitching about backlight bleed as if just because the monitor costs $2K, IPS isn't going to have backlight bleed.

collegeboy69us says it all just fine for me. First off, I have the 24" version of his Dell and I really like it, I wish I had bought the 27" as it would have been an absolutely perfect companion for my X34 that he avoided buying .... too bad he never realized that Acer's QC has improved greatly, mine was nice first shot. But he continues and hit's the nail on the head, at $2K he expects perfection, suddenly technologies that are not perfect must be perfect, go figure.

So let me clarify because I know that you already misunderstand me to a degree.

1. One man's video isn't "all the people ...."
2. I'm not defending the product or the price point, I'm just saying that price isn't a measure of perfection and if you use the price tag to set your expectations then you will probably be disappointed.
3. Monitors and TVs are not the same thing just with different dimensions, some are decent for wide general uses, few can do everything perfectly. Always a compromise involved somewhere.
4. And although I haven't said so yet, QC and Engineering are not the same thing nor are the terms interchangeable, that fan is an engineering problem, not a QC problem, just saying.
 
I am really disappointed that a $2000 monitor has these type of issues. I returned my first ROG Swift PG278Q monitor due to poor build quality, and that was "only" $600 for me at the time.

I am currently looking for a good tray table to put my wireless keyboard and mouse on to "settle" for 60Hz on my 4K OLED television. I got that for about $1500 and it's worth the high cost.

Hopefully people that buy this monitor will have better luck on the build quality.
 
Why do screens need fans? Thought the backlight don't produce heat. Or not enough to need a fan.
 
27" has no bearing on the price whatsoever to me, other than i would be glad about it. If it were 32" 16:9 i'd be much less interested. If it were 21:9 34" i'd be more interested, and if it were 24" 1440p i'd still be interested. But 21:9 34" is as big as i would ever go. Tvs and what they cost are irrelevant, i don't play consoles and wouldn't use one for a pc monitor.

The price of this monitor would be fine, if the execution was nearly perfect, and the price was and is completely expected. A fan is also expected, however a broken fan is not.

Nothing about it that we know now that it's out is surprising. It's been talked about for a year, and speculated on, there were fald variants out already, we already knew pretty much what to expect. And if anyone has owned lcds in the last 15 years, or watched them progress they damn well should be jaded enough by now not to be too shocked. Disappointment sure, but i'm long past that.. still i don't see how anyone could be too disappointed. And realistically i'm sure for gaming specifically it's probably Fucking Great for the most part.

Fact of the matter is the feature set of this monitor absolutely warrant the price, especially for a first of it's kind.

A 60Hz 31" 4k Eizo with no fald, no gsync, but 14bit lut 350cd/m2 max, so psuedo "HDR" and internal calibration cost $5000. You do get that "hopefully" Eizo quality, and 5 year warranty, but even then some slip through QC. Both the Eizo and Acer monitors have similar color coverage. One is still a mediocre edge lit half assed HDR lcd with handy calibration tools, but the other is an absolute sports car in comparison. It's expensive because it was expensive to produce.

The argument about "is it worth it", is completely in the eye of the beholder. If those who bought one love the shit out of it, then it is apparently "worth it" to them. If you spent 400-600 dollars on your case and fans and custom water cooling, that shit was apparently worth it to you too. I think spending a few hundred in water cooling is idiotic when you can get by perfectly fine on cheap air for the most part, especially if it's just because you are trying to eek out an extra 100-200Mhz, for the added cost it's a waste of money and an extravagance, and if you are going to do that more power to you, your prerogative, but if you have a piece of shit monitor, what's the point, really. A pc is for displaying shit on your monitor. No Monitor, No PC. Kick ass PC shit monitor = Gimped potential. I don't gaze at my pc case window and lights, i look at my monitor and donlt want that shit distracting me from it. A pc is a tool/entertainment device, not a show piece (to me).

Everybody has different needs and preferences that make them happy. If this was never your thing, then it doesn't matter much. Play on your 55" Oled TV! I don't play consoles nor would i ever use a 55" TV as a pc monitor no matter the cost or i'd have one already. It's too big. And since i don't watch TV either there's really zero point in me buying one no matter how great the image is.

My beef with this monitor is not the size, it is not the cost, it is that it does not particularly excel in what is my normal usage scenario. Dark desktop, dark games ect. For fast FPS honestly a 24" fast TN is good enough. I'm not graphic gazing in these games and i turn the graphics down because i hate post effects in these games anyway, like a lot of people. HDR is fine, but i wouldn't use it much. At least not for the foreseable future, and i think it would be most useful with all post effects on, which i again turn off or down usually. I like the contrasty old video gamey look where textures are front and center generally.

So it may be the best lcd yet, and it may be pretty sweet at doing what it really was made for, HDR gaming, but it's not enough (for me), or the right things aren't there that i desire more than just gaming. Ergo, i'm not paying 2k for it. Is it worth 2k? Fuck yeah. Is it worth 2k to me? In fairness i honestly can't say until i see one, but it's doubtful. In fact it's not worth anything to me if it doesn't meet my usage criteria, i would however buy one in a heartbeat if it did/does.
 
The price is subject to perspective. There are [H]ard enthusiasts that have access to very significant resources, and there are others that do not. Some are familiar with industry/enterprise tech, much of which is vastly more costly than consumer- or enthusiast-grade gear.

Willingness to spend and the inability to do so, I think, are not good measures of [H]ardness.

In this case, I have no opinion on the monitor. When a single, mass-produced GPU can hit 100+ frames at 4k on new AAA releases, I'll take a look. That the panel can do what it does specs very well, and it is moving tech right along. It is simply not mature enough for me, in context. Maybe that makes me Soft. Maybe not.
 
sirsad said:
It is odd to me that you are judging this monitor without seeing the gaming experience,
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What is MY judgements exactly outside of not wanting to pay $2000 for a "tiny" 27" display.
 
Joust said:
That this statement can be made means we live in good times.
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That is for sure! This is what $2000 got me over 2 years ago. I waited 6 years to move from my TRIPLE screen 24" setup and could not be happier. I love gaming on this thing. It is a 48" JS9000 from Samsung. I am not paying $2000 to move to a 27" screen 2 years later. And yes, I do have experience with 27" HDR 144Hz displays and gaming. There is no way those represent a value a over this for my needs.

JS9000_First_Setup.jpg
 
sirsad said:
IMO, Image quality beats display size.
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Personally I would rather have both. :) So if I can give you a 3" screen that has better IQ than anything else in the world, that is what you will be gaming on?
 
I guess vents were not good enough for cooling I suppose the monitor was cooking and they had no choice to but use a fan.
 
money is money, if it's not worth $2K to you, it's not worth $2K! complain all you want about price.

i haven't seen anyone question where l88bastard and Vega are coming from, but, you should go dig up their post histories, because these guys have gone through multiple iterations of the most [H] monitor setups to exist on this forum, if not consumer PC gaming worldwide in general. I remember Vega's 3x FW900 setup with frenel lenses, also, i think he went through two different 5x portrait monitor setups within the space of a month! a month! the guy is crazy. i think he picked up 3x 980 Ti's on a whim for that setup cause hey - 5400x1920 resolution is ridiculous (could be wrong on the details, it was awhile ago.)

anyway the posts that prove the pedigree of these guys being on the bleeding edge of consumer monitor setups are here on the forum for anyone to read, so when they say that this is a breakthrough, i'm listening. i'm not even in the market for a monitor, i just like geeking out over new technology as it trickles down to the consumer market

just my 2 cents
 
Galvin said:
Why do screens need fans? Thought the backlight don't produce heat. Or not enough to need a fan.
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There are televisions that have active cooling. A lot of displays come with powerful SOCs to handle the smart software demanded by customers these days.
chithanh said:
Galvin
The fan supposedly cools the G-Sync module (source).
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This is probably correct. Early displays with the G-Sync FPGA had overheating issues. I believe the early revision of the PG278Q added more vents to the chassis for better airflow.
 
KG-Prime90
I think comparing this monitor to an Eizo monitor is not fair. With Eizo, you get a device that screams "professional" from every angle. This Acer monitor is simply an embarrassment. Yes, it offers a combination of features yet unseen (UHD 144 Hz G-Sync HDR), but also it plagues the user with shortcomings that should absolutely not exist at this price point.

Armenius
The G-Sync FPGA is also what I think delayed these monitors. As it needs to decode DisplayPort 1.4 HDR + HDMI 2.0, it has insane processing requirements. Acer and ASUS presumably waited for the cost and power consumption of such FPGAs to reach acceptable levels, and still we saw in the video that Acer cut corners where they shouldn't have.
 
sirsad said:
But the TV won't have gsync and that is a deal breaker.
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They will have Freesync soon though.
I'd rather wait, then spend the money for another monitor on a TV with 120Hz freesync and enjoy multiple uses with it. Productivity and entertainment. Best of both worlds! If it's got HDR that's not broken up into crappy zones, then even better.
TVs have mass production causing bang for buck and value, I've waited a long time for that to collide with proper PC support, in both low input lag and variable frame rates with 4K. With freesync ticked off soon, input lag will be come a more important measurement for TVs, they'll throw their gazillion dollar budgets (far better than the PC monitor section gets) and fix it for good in a few generations as it will become the next 'comparison point' for mainstream console and pc gamers. We won't even have to worry about that problem in future when this happens.

And if 42"~ is too big, just run it at another resolution to make the screen smaller.. it's still going to be over 100PPI if you're that close and look good enough. I can't take 27" 4k seriously, no matter how good you say it is, sorry. Seen it and not a fan. I like high PPI if the screen is closer, e.g. a cellphone.
 
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I just got this X27 4k 144hz display today. Panel quality seems good, and I don't really hear the fan very much - just a slight noise. Picture looks very good though - deep blacks, colorful lights in games like Battlefield 1.

Still windows desktop icons look a little funny though, like a fuzzy color type of funny, not sure what that is yet or if it's a setting I can adjust. May just be early and need driver updates.

So far though, really good monitor. Definitely expensive, build quality feels and looks the exact same as my old X27 60hz 4k display which was $700. Definitely for the enthusiasts.
 
$2000 gaming monitor to pair with the new $3000 gaming GPU. This shit is getting ridiculous.

These manufacturers are seriously getting detached from the reality of distinguishing between household consumers and enterprise spenders.
 
DejaWiz said:
$2000 gaming monitor to pair with the new $3000 gaming GPU. This shit is getting ridiculous.

These manufacturers are seriously getting detached from the reality of distinguishing between household consumers and enterprise spenders.
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$3,000 gaming GPU? What? Where?
 
I haven't mounted mine yet on my VESA arm so I wasn't able to verify, but apparently the German guy didn't even mount the bracket right lol

Regarding this video about the loud fan when mounted, a reddit user said the mount bracket was likely pu t on backwards.

"Now i saw a youtube video of some guy saying the fan has no airflow if you use a vesa mount. He complained it made the fan too loud to use. Well here is his problem.

https://imgur.com/f9BW3i0

This is the thing it comes with. This is not some kind of mounting bracket. This is technically a spacer to add more space between the monitor and the vesa mount specifically to give the fan some breathing room. It has a flat side and an open side. The guy just mounted the flat side against the fan instead of the open side. Both sides have the exact same screw holes and the thing didn't include any pictures so I guess not everyone can be expected to have the same level of common sense."

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monitors/co..._predator_x27/
 
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phreak144 said:
money is money, if it's not worth $2K to you, it's not worth $2K! complain all you want about price.

i haven't seen anyone question where l88bastard and Vega are coming from, but, you should go dig up their post histories, because these guys have gone through multiple iterations of the most [H] monitor setups to exist on this forum, if not consumer PC gaming worldwide in general. I remember Vega's 3x FW900 setup with frenel lenses, also, i think he went through two different 5x portrait monitor setups within the space of a month! a month! the guy is crazy. i think he picked up 3x 980 Ti's on a whim for that setup cause hey - 5400x1920 resolution is ridiculous (could be wrong on the details, it was awhile ago.)

anyway the posts that prove the pedigree of these guys being on the bleeding edge of consumer monitor setups are here on the forum for anyone to read, so when they say that this is a breakthrough, i'm listening. i'm not even in the market for a monitor, i just like geeking out over new technology as it trickles down to the consumer market

just my 2 cents
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Right. I agree with everything you said.

Here's the only added comment I'd throw in myself:

This is definitely not even close to being "regular consumer market" yet. The trickle is going to take probably 2-3 years yet.

This is strictly "early adopter/uber enthusiast" territory right now and I think a lot of people understand that.

If they don't then here's the newsflash. ;)
 
Vega said:
I haven't mounted mine yet on my VESA arm so I wasn't able to verify, but apparently the German guy didn't even mount the bracket right lol

Regarding this video about the loud fan when mounted, a reddit user said the mount bracket was likely pu t on backwards.

"Now i saw a youtube video of some guy saying the fan has no airflow if you use a vesa mount. He complained it made the fan too loud to use. Well here is his problem.

https://imgur.com/f9BW3i0

This is the thing it comes with. This is not some kind of mounting bracket. This is technically a spacer to add more space between the monitor and the vesa mount specifically to give the fan some breathing room. It has a flat side and an open side. The guy just mounted the flat side against the fan instead of the open side. Both sides have the exact same screw holes and the thing didn't include any pictures so I guess not everyone can be expected to have the same level of common sense."

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monitors/co..._predator_x27/
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It seems that the VESA mount was actually mounted correctly as designed by Acer. Here is another close-up

(at 3:58, found via https://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=11725455#post11725455)

xorbe said:
Ooh that's gotta hurt.
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Vega said:
I thought zee Germans were suppose to be smartesh.
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Update from the guy who made the original video, Acer contacted him and offered to exchange the VESA mount spacer.
 
l88bastard said:
Oh really? Because I don't see you or any of the other "MEH BIGGEM DISPLAAAHH" people running out to buy the 43" 4k120hz mango display @ $1,400 either.

So lets be honest:

1) You are all hating on the price, which is understandable....2 large is alot

2) You have no idea how awesome this display really is, because you are using your existing displays as base line comparisons and this thing blows those away.

3) While 32" would be my preferable size, 27" is not small when you consider 163 DPI and how detailed and crisp everything is. Its the same exact situation with a mobile phone, you can read the small screens on your mobile because they have awesome PPI.

4) Cheap quality, lol W T F you guys want a gold diamond studded fan ROFL. A few seem to have fan issues, but I know mine and several others do not. If my fan breaks I will RMA or simply open it up, unplug one wire and plug another in...maybe even water cool the bitch ahahaha



Welcome to 2014 Kyle ;-)

The problem is 60hz feels like HIV on my mouse hand after a few hours of work productivity and I cannot enjoy competitive FPS @ 60hz. This X27 feels like how a high end PC display should be. Not too large so you do not need to turn your head, tight DPI so text reads like a high quality magazine and gaming is freaking amazing.

As some here may know, I used to be the BIGGEM KING, along with Vega I did many builds using triple portrait monitors over the years, until eventually giving in to the annoying bezel gaps and settling on a 55" OLED.

Do you guys remember this 5x1 debezelled beast? Cause this was one of my old setups from 2011. TRUST ME, I KNOW BIGGEM Better than Yall!
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Dude have you considered therapy for your narcissistic personality disorder?
 
I think it's great we have early adopters on the forums willing to be the guinea pigs. I don't trust review sites and/or YouTubers, would much rather read the impressions of Vega and the like. By the time a single GPU can pump out 120+ frames at 4k, there will be better choices at lower prices.

I liken the X27 in 2018 to the Asus PG278Q in 2014. That monitor had major QC issues and no single GPU could max it at the time it released, either. Only within the last year with the release of the 1080Ti did we get a proper GPU for 144Hz @ 1440p. 4k is cool, but who cares about high refresh capability when you can only hit 60-70 FPS?
 
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