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Wow I think my brain just melted from nVidia's stupiditySo this new VideoCard with a next generation name of "9800GTX" will not even be faster than last gen 8800Ultra, that is just craziness, why even make it we already have the 8800Ultra.
So from November 2006 to March 2008 the best nVidia can come up with for a new GTX is just 10% faster, and actually slower than their own May 2007 card, unbelievable...this card does NOT deserve the 9800 name it should be 8900GTX
A good guess would be arund the same time ATI RV770, rumor is around late Q2 2008 for RV770 since ATI is pushing it out faster. But no one really knows but i hope around mid 2008 for both this cards.
And that makes "9800" Gx2 a new shortlived 7950Gx2.
G100 can be anything..haven't heard any specs. 9800 GTX is hold back because it uses G92 and so doing has 256-bit mem bandwithWe can all hope it will be a big performer, the 9800GTX or the G100 iteration. I know I'm going to build a new computer mid year and I want a monster video card. One that crushes the 8800GTX.
Well G100 will come late Q2/2008 and will replace high end models from GF9000-series.Now G100 rumors are in full force??
I'll look forward to buying one, right after I get my H2 fuel-cell, + plug-in, & Lion battery equipped Chevy Volt![]()
=Niceone;1031959383 AMD's R700 will be dual RV770. AMD has already stated that their opinion is that future of high end cards are these multi-GPU solutions
Well to be accurate graphics cards have been multicore since 3DFX VoodooII era..for like 10 years now. These new 9800 GX2 and HD3870 X2 solutions are like having two quad core Xeons in one motherboard. For example Geforce 8800 ultra has like 128 "cores". 8800 Ultra manages 576 gigaflops when Intel Core 2 Quad's can manage like 40 gigaflops (though GPU's are limited on what they can calculate, but because of this there are now days supercomputers that uses multiple graphics cards for scientific calculation)That is a smart idea, I mean how many single core Intel cpu's do you see coming out now ?? They are all Dual and Quad core, so VideoCards should adopt that same thinking, we can't have 2ghz clocked cards, but 2-1ghz can be done.
I hope the ATI R700 kills the sleeping nVidia giant, bunch of douchebags for coming out with a card named "9800GTX" but no faster than the old 8800UltraThat makes a lot of sense to me, and then come out with another faster newer card just a few months later to surpass it off the shelf for same price, the G100 ?? uh ok that makes even more sense
nVidia "do the right thing" and name you new card it's proper name this new GTX should ONLY be named 8900GTX, it does not deserve the 9800 series name if only 10-20% faster than 8800GTX
That is a smart idea, I mean how many single core Intel cpu's do you see coming out now ?? They are all Dual and Quad core, so VideoCards should adopt that same thinking, we can't have 2ghz clocked cards, but 2-1ghz can be done.
That sums up SLI and CF right there. But that isnt stopping NV and AMD is it?We know that 2 cores does not equal 2x performance vs. one core.
Should not then graphics cards focus on expanding the amount of stream processors a single core can contain (if you would rather expand objects as opposed to speeds)? By using a single core populated by stream processors, you only have the issue of "communication" between the stream processors themselves as opposed to "communication" between multiple sets of stream processors. Imo, the only way I could really see dual core gpu's being beneficial is if you could optimize the cores for different tasks- one for graphics, one for physics, etc... but that defeats the whole purpose of the unified architecture.
G100 can be anything..haven't heard any specs. 9800 GTX is hold back because it uses G92 and so doing has 256-bit mem bandwith
That is a smart idea, I mean how many single core Intel cpu's do you see coming out now ?? They are all Dual and Quad core, so VideoCards should adopt that same thinking, we can't have 2ghz clocked cards, but 2-1ghz can be done.
I hope the ATI R700 kills the sleeping nVidia giant, bunch of douchebags for coming out with a card named "9800GTX" but no faster than the old 8800UltraThat makes a lot of sense to me, and then come out with another faster newer card just a few months later to surpass it off the shelf for same price, the G100 ?? uh ok that makes even more sense
nVidia "do the right thing" and name you new card it's proper name this new GTX should ONLY be named 8900GTX, it does not deserve the 9800 series name if only 10-20% faster than 8800GTX
Sorry, but it's already known that Geforce 9800 GTX (D9E-20) uses G92's (as does 9800 GX2 (D9E-40)).Wrong. We only know that about the GX2, which will be basically two 8800 GTS 512.
Sorry, but it's already known that Geforce 9800 GTX (D9E-20) uses G92's (as does 9800 GX2 (D9E-40)).
I agree... but Moore's Law does not. Moore's Law is more of a 'general trend' that says that transistor density doubles every two years or so. It makes no account for physical or theoretical limitations whatsoever, rather it seems to disregard them entirely.Sooner or later, they arent going to be able to shrink transistors anymore. Moore's Law.
As we've so recently seen, smaller cores means cheaper cards. R600 was massive, and it was a flop. G92 nearly rivals G80 at a much lower cost, so much lower that it is possible to outperform a 8800GTX with two 8800GTs for less cost.Right, but I am making a point here- do we need gpu's to go the same route? Should they? We know that 2 cores does not equal 2x performance vs. one core. Should not then graphics cards focus on expanding the amount of stream processors a single core can contain?
How do I ignore someone? I'm worried I'll bruise myself from all the facepalming.<snip>
Sorry, but it's already known that Geforce 9800 GTX (D9E-20) uses G92's (as does 9800 GX2 (D9E-40)).
It's already known so well that you inquire about Silus's suggestion rather than disputing it?So 9800 GTX would use G90 or some other core that would have more than four 64-bit memorycontrollers like G92 has at best?
Amen! Discussing unreleased and undisclosed tech stuff is full of rampant rumor and speculation. Niceone, you may have heard that the 9800GTX is G92-based from someone you trust, but where did they hear it themselves?You don't have to be sorry, you just have to post the link that says that.
So 9800 GTX would use G90 or some other core that would have more than four 64-bit memorycontrollers like G92 has at best?
Problem is that G92 only has 4 of these 64-bit controllers at best. If they build new chip..that would change things, but that chip wouldn't be G92.
No. It uses G84Does the 8600 use a G80 core?
Problem is that G92 only has 4 of these 64-bit controllers at best. If they build new chip..that would change things, but that chip wouldn't be G92.
well the G80 says six controllers in its specs and the G92 says four. the G80 8800gts has one disabled and the G92 8800gs has one of its controllers disabled. there are not more than six in the G80 or four in the G92...end of storyHow do we know they aren't disabled / not used? Eg: 6 on G80 for 8800GTX/Ultra vs 5 for 8800GTS.
well the G80 says six controllers in its specs and the G92 says four. the G80 8800gts has one disabled and the G92 8800gs has one of its controllers disabled. there are not more than six in the G80 or four in the G92...end of story
Therefore I wouldn't be surprised if there was at least another 16 stream processors that are disabled on this particular product. When we asked whether the chip had clusters of stream processors disabled, the response we got back from Nvidia's Tony Tamasi was "the GeForce 8800 GT is a 112 stream processor product". There are potentially more ROPs and support for up to 384-bit memory bus widths too, but this takes us into the realms of speculation.
That was Tim's own speculation..
That was Tim's own speculation..
Niceone said:Problem is that G92 only has 4 of these 64-bit controllers at best. If they build new chip..that would change things, but that chip wouldn't be G92.
IMO none of what you said is likely to happen with the G92. also there is no way a 384bit part would have 1 gig of ram. it would be 768mb or 1.5 gig.Which is the same we are doing here. Neither you or I, know what chip will power the new 9800 GTX. We do know that the GX2 will use two G92 chips, essentially the same as the chip used in the new 8800 GTS 512.
At last! Seems you got it, though I think you are still confused about a given architecture and its derivatives. G92 is a derivative of G80, which architecturally allows more than what you see in the existing versions of G92. Existing versions of G92 use a 256 bit memory path, but that does not mean it's not expansible to the full blown 384 bit in the original G80. Architecture is the same and what the original one allows, its derivatives will to.
Will they use the same codename ? I doubt it, but why not ? The changes they did from G80 to G92, will remain, so the chip will essentially be the same and just have its memory path extended. As for Stream Processors, if the past speculation of those 32 Stream Processors disabled, since the time of the original 8800 GTX is true, that means a total of 160 Stream Processors. But I'm still betting on 192 SPs. NVIDIA had plenty of time to prepare G92 (or whatever its codename will be). Couple that with the old 384 bit memory interface and 1 GB of fast VRAM and we have ourselves a 60-70% faster card than the 8800 GTX. With 160 SPs, I guess performance would not go beyond 30-40%, when compared to the 8800 GTX, but that's still very good IMO.
IMO none of what you said is likely to happen with the G92. also there is no way a 384bit part would have 1 gig of ram. it would be 768mb or 1.5 gig.
Wow, so the GPUs are facing each other. Interesting. I'm not sure I'm sold on the cooling solution. I'm a big fan of the standard dual-slot exiting out the back of the case coolers.
I noticed on the 9800GX2 it has 1x 6pin and 1x 8pin connector and thats a problem for me because I have the silverstone ST85ZF with 4 x 6pin connectors.![]()
Woah I didn't even realize that when I first looked at them, I was just thinking it was pictures of one side
Will be strange to see how that works out for temps and expelling heat...