9800 GX2 Pictures and Specs

[Gaiden133]

If the GX2 lives up to its, "30-50% performance increase over the 8800 Ultra" it would definitely be worth $100 to step-up from an 8800GTS 512mb.

Heh assuming it's $449 on release.. i'll be extremely surprised if so.. Just seems bizarre. nVIDIA has been having their top dogs aka ultra at 600-700, their 8800GTX's at 500+ for the past year, and their most highend (GX2) till GT200/or whatever is only going to be 449? I find that hard to believe from a business standpoint..

 

[dshankar]

Heh assuming it's $449 on release.. i'll be extremely surprised if so.. Just seems bizarre. nVIDIA has been having their top dogs aka ultra at 600-700, their 8800GTX's at 500+ for the past year, and their most highend (GX2) till GT200/or whatever is only going to be 449? I find that hard to believe from a business standpoint..

+1. I can see the 'GTX' version being at least $550 until 8800 GTX stock clears out. It's not like AMD has anything to compete with (yet) .

 

[jonneymendoza]

so 9800gtx will be slower then a 9800GX2? looks like i be getting a 9800GX2 then

 

[TerranUp16]

Heh assuming it's $449 on release.. i'll be extremely surprised if so.. Just seems bizarre. nVIDIA has been having their top dogs aka ultra at 600-700, their 8800GTX's at 500+ for the past year, and their most highend (GX2) till GT200/or whatever is only going to be 449? I find that hard to believe from a business standpoint..

-1

Look at the price of the HD 3870.

However, ultimately you must realize that the 98xx series are going to be based on G92- and the G92's are basically just die-shrinks of the G80's. nVidia isn't putting a huge amount of R+D into the 98xx series, so you don't have the huge price premium that you had on the 88xx series. Combine that with the fact that G92's are cheaper to produce, and nVidia definitely has the capability to hit the $450 mark for a high-end card. And they have the incentive. The 8800GT is selling like a hot cake and battering ATi who, if it were not for the 8800GT, had a real chance of dominating the cheaper section of the market. And, really, the GX2's pricing scheme doesn't seem to be much different. By just cursorily doubling the price of the HD 3870, the HD 3870X2 should be somewhere slightly below $450. If nVidia puts forth a GTX that is cheaper than the HD 3870X2 and a GX2 that is slightly more expensive, nVidia really has ATi trapped- and I fully expect the 9800GTX even to outperform the HD 3870X2. So nVidia may not make as much on each card, but they'll sell a lot more, and steal a crapload of purchases from ATi. So you might want to re-evaluate your "business standpoint".

 

[Zorachus]

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Look at the price of the HD 3870.

However, ultimately you must realize that the 98xx series are going to be based on G92- and the G92's are basically just die-shrinks of the G80's. nVidia isn't putting a huge amount of R+D into the 98xx series, so you don't have the huge price premium that you had on the 88xx series. Combine that with the fact that G92's are cheaper to produce, and nVidia definitely has the capability to hit the $450 mark for a high-end card. And they have the incentive. The 8800GT is selling like a hot cake and battering ATi who, if it were not for the 8800GT, had a real chance of dominating the cheaper section of the market. And, really, the GX2's pricing scheme doesn't seem to be much different. By just cursorily doubling the price of the HD 3870, the HD 3870X2 should be somewhere slightly below $450. If nVidia puts forth a GTX that is cheaper than the HD 3870X2 and a GX2 that is slightly more expensive, nVidia really has ATi trapped- and I fully expect the 9800GTX even to outperform the HD 3870X2. So nVidia may not make as much on each card, but they'll sell a lot more, and steal a crapload of purchases from ATi. So you might want to re-evaluate your "business standpoint".

Good points but I would still recommend people go out and buy the ATI offering over the nVidia just to help the underdog stay in business and give nVidia competition, I say that only if the the benchmarks show very close performance between the two like within 5-10% which in games you would never even notice.

 

[jonneymendoza]

Good points but I would still recommend people go out and buy the ATI offering over the nVidia just to help the underdog stay in business and give nVidia competition, I say that only if the the benchmarks show very close performance between the two like within 5-10% which in games you would never even notice.

so just because ATI are doing bad we should buy there products? LOL not to be rude but that is a dumb thing to say IMO

 

[dshankar]

so just because ATI are doing bad we should buy there products? LOL not to be rude but that is a dumb thing to say IMO

No, he's saying that if it is neck and neck in benchmarks, go ATI so that they make money. If they make money and put that to more R&D and develop a good product, Nvidia will be forced to innovate and produce a better product at a cheaper price. Otherwise, with no competition, Nvidia has no reason to innovate and will do exactly what it is doing now. Milking a really good product (8800 GTX, for ~16 months) and producing a 'new' product which is just a die-shrink and not a new architecture which requires R&D. Obviously Nvidia is still researching but they're just not coming out with something new (aka D9E) because there is no reason to.

 

[Dan_D]

Good points but I would still recommend people go out and buy the ATI offering over the nVidia just to help the underdog stay in business and give nVidia competition, I say that only if the the benchmarks show very close performance between the two like within 5-10% which in games you would never even notice.

Buying products that do not match those of the competition only rewards companies for providing sub-par offerings. If they want to survive they will strive to beat the competition in any way possible and thus earn my money next time.

 

[Zorachus]

Buying products that do not match those of the competition only rewards companies for providing sub-par offerings. If they want to survive they will strive to beat the competition in any way possible and thus earn my money next time.

Do NOT mis-read what I said, I mean it is good for the overall market to help the underdog if the benchmarks are relatively close, so if it is only 5-10% difference which is nothing in real world gaming you would never notice, I say buy the 3870x2 over the 9800GX2, but of the GX2 is like 25-30% + faster then of course spend your money wisely and buy the nVidia.


If AMD/ATI are out of the picture say goodbye to new nVidia and Intel chips coming out so fast+powerful and cheap. Intel will charge $500+ for their cheap cpu's, and nVidia would not even release a 9800 series for a longer time

 

[Niceone]

Heh assuming it's $449 on release.. i'll be extremely surprised if so.. Just seems bizarre. nVIDIA has been having their top dogs aka ultra at 600-700, their 8800GTX's at 500+ for the past year, and their most highend (GX2) till GT200/or whatever is only going to be 449? I find that hard to believe from a business standpoint..

From business standpoint it makes sense. HD3870 X2 will be cheap..many stores already have posted their prices so it ain't choice for Nvidia to put 600-700 price tag for 9800GX2.

 

[MurderCityDevil]

so is the GX2 supposed to be BETTER than the 9800GTX, or worse?

Also, I heard that the GX2 will require an SLI motherboard even though it's a single port card, does that mean my asus maximus won't be able to handle it?

 

[Niceone]

so is the GX2 supposed to be BETTER than the 9800GTX, or worse?

Also, I heard that the GX2 will require an SLI motherboard even though it's a single port card, does that mean my asus maximus won't be able to handle it?

Geforce 9800 GX2 is to replace 8800 Ultra and 9800 GTX should replace 8800 GTX so GX2 will be better than 9800 GTX. I mean that it would be rather difficult to beat GX2,which has two G92's, with GTX which has only single G92.

Where did you here such silly rumour that 9800 GX2 would need SLI motherboard? I mean Geforce 9800 GX2 (Like 7950 GX2 did) have built in SLI function.

 

[Zorachus]

This is just mind boggling that there will be a brand new generation named VideoCard from nVidia the "9800GTX" and it won't even be faster than the last year model 8800Ultra which is only like 10-15% faster than the 2006 8800GTX

WTF is nVidia smoking here to even come out with a card named 9800GTX with such little improvement ?? They should just name it the 8900GTX. Stuff like this is where ATI should come out with the R700 to slaughter them while they are sleeping thinking their shit does not stink.

Very dissapointed in nVidia for doing this, where is the next generation single card that is supposed to be equal to 2-8800GTX's, and we have been waiting since Fall 2006 already for it, come the fuck on already.

 

[Dan_D]

Very dissapointed in nVidia for doing this, where is the next generation single card that is supposed to be equal to 2-8800GTX's, and we have been waiting since Fall 2006 already for it, come the fuck on already.

Where did you get this? Most generational jumps in performance aren't that large. Everyone seems to have become really spoiled by the 8800GTX.

 

[VE2007]

so 9800gtx will be slower then a 9800GX2? looks like i be getting a 9800GX2 then

Is the 9800GX2 takes one slot but it's 2 cards in 1?

 

[TerranUp16]

Is the 9800GX2 takes one slot but it's 2 cards in 1?

Yeah- one slot for two gpu's.

 

[Zorachus]

Well I will just wait until March when the 9800GTX is released.

If it is only the 10-20% jump from the current 8800GTX that everyone is saying it just will be, then I will never buy an nVidia product again, how the heck can it take 2 years to make a next generation product and not be much faster ?? The 8800GTX came out in 2006, it is 2008 and a new VideoCard with a next generation name of "9800GTX" should blow even a 8800Ultra out of the water, but if the rumors are true it will just be slightly faster than an 8800Ultra by a few %

I sure hope the ATI R700 comes out soon after with some kick ass technology to kill this weak 9800GTX, I was told all last year hat a single 9800GTX would be 2-8800GTX's in benchmarks, guess everyone was wrong

 

[Niceone]

..you just keep going . Nvidia could make single GPU card that would beat 8800 GTX with huge margin, but from business point of view it wouldn't be too smart. It would be that much more expensive than these G92-cards that they would make less money with it. I'm sure they have better cards in works for later this year. If R600 would have been even close to that what hype predicted we could have better cards coming now from Nvidia.

 

[firas]

Well I will just wait until March when the 9800GTX is released.

If it is only the 10-20% jump from the current 8800GTX that everyone is saying it just will be, then I will never buy an nVidia product again, how the heck can it take 2 years to make a next generation product and not be much faster ?? The 8800GTX came out in 2006, it is 2008 and a new VideoCard with a next generation name of "9800GTX" should blow even a 8800Ultra out of the water, but if the rumors are true it will just be slightly faster than an 8800Ultra by a few %

I sure hope the ATI R700 comes out soon after with some kick ass technology to kill this weak 9800GTX, I was told all last year hat a single 9800GTX would be 2-8800GTX's in benchmarks, guess everyone was wrong

same here, but I’ll just get it anyway

 

[E.R]

Well I will just wait until March when the 9800GTX is released.

If it is only the 10-20% jump from the current 8800GTX that everyone is saying it just will be, then I will never buy an nVidia product again, how the heck can it take 2 years to make a next generation product and not be much faster ?? The 8800GTX came out in 2006, it is 2008 and a new VideoCard with a next generation name of "9800GTX" should blow even a 8800Ultra out of the water, but if the rumors are true it will just be slightly faster than an 8800Ultra by a few %

I sure hope the ATI R700 comes out soon after with some kick ass technology to kill this weak 9800GTX, I was told all last year hat a single 9800GTX would be 2-8800GTX's in benchmarks, guess everyone was wrong

When the ATI RV770 see daylight you can be sure that the real G100/D9x/98xx-series is not far behind or even just before to kill the sale of RV770-card and the thing is that
RV770 will be put out early due to high demand on RV670 and the good thing with this is that it makes Nvidia speeds up the G100-launch.
Rumor say before end of Q2 for RV770-release.

 

[xp3nd4bl3]

LOL, I love how confident everybody is that that G100 is going to CRUSH the R700. We really don't know anything about either.

 

[CJRP]

I think I'll pass on this generation of cards...

 

[Zorachus]

Wow this thread is huge, and what do I know after all these pages that I didn't know from the first post, uh nothing new still

I will wait to the 9800GTX has real benchmarks on the [H] to make final decision, but I will be very unhappy if the rumors are true about a new VideoCard with the name "98800GTX" comes out, which will just be a refreshed 8800GTX on a new process and better memory, but only making it 10-20% faster than the current old 8800GTX from 2006, that's not progress, that is bullsh!t... And anyways we already have that card available it is called the 8800Ultra

The "9800GTX" needs to be like 30% faster at bare minimum at the least compared to the 8800Ultra to even be considered.

 

[Dan_D]

The "9800GTX" needs to be like 30% faster at bare minimum at the least compared to the 8800Ultra to even be considered.

No. You obviously haven't been paying attention. The 9800GTX is set to replace the 8800GTX. The 9800GX2 is set to replace the 8800Ultra. The Ultra is about 10% faster than the 8800GTX and if the 9800GX2 can manage to be at least 20% faster than the Ultra then it becomes 30% faster than the 8800GTX. That's not that bad all things considering.

Plus I don't remember people bitching and whining about the 9800Pro only being slightly faster than the 9700Pro and then bitching again about the 9800XT just being a 512MB version of the 9800Pro with slightly higher clocks. Those cards reigned for nearly two years.

The X800XT, 6800Ultra, and 8800GTX/Ultra have really spoiled some of you. More often than not the gap between video card generations isn't huge.

 

[Chris_B]

No. You obviously haven't been paying attention. The 9800GTX is set to replace the 8800GTX. The 9800GX2 is set to replace the 8800Ultra. The Ultra is about 10% faster than the 8800GTX and if the 9800GX2 can manage to be at least 20% faster than the Ultra then it becomes 30% faster than the 8800GTX. That's not that bad all things considering.

Plus I don't remember people bitching and whining about the 9800Pro only being slightly faster than the 9700Pro and then bitching again about the 9800XT just being a 512MB version of the 9800Pro with slightly higher clocks. Those cards reigned for nearly two years.

The X800XT, 6800Ultra, and 8800GTX/Ultra have really spoiled some of you. More often than not the gap between video card generations isn't huge.

As you said back then people weren't used to getting 100% increases from one card to the next, last few years thats really what its been all about so anything less than that raises eyebrows and is seen as underwhelming. And games like crysis that are chugging along on top end hardware doesn't help matters when people want to crank everything up and get 60fps constantly.


(btw im positive there was no 9800xt 512mb edition)

 

[Justintoxicated]

No. You obviously haven't been paying attention. The 9800GTX is set to replace the 8800GTX. The 9800GX2 is set to replace the 8800Ultra. The Ultra is about 10% faster than the 8800GTX and if the 9800GX2 can manage to be at least 20% faster than the Ultra then it becomes 30% faster than the 8800GTX. That's not that bad all things considering.

Plus I don't remember people bitching and whining about the 9800Pro only being slightly faster than the 9700Pro and then bitching again about the 9800XT just being a 512MB version of the 9800Pro with slightly higher clocks. Those cards reigned for nearly two years.

The X800XT, 6800Ultra, and 8800GTX/Ultra have really spoiled some of you. More often than not the gap between video card generations isn't huge.

they were not $500 (or more) either though

 

[Zorachus]

No. You obviously haven't been paying attention. The 9800GTX is set to replace the 8800GTX. The 9800GX2 is set to replace the 8800Ultra. The Ultra is about 10% faster than the 8800GTX and if the 9800GX2 can manage to be at least 20% faster than the Ultra then it becomes 30% faster than the 8800GTX. That's not that bad all things considering.

Plus I don't remember people bitching and whining about the 9800Pro only being slightly faster than the 9700Pro and then bitching again about the 9800XT just being a 512MB version of the 9800Pro with slightly higher clocks. Those cards reigned for nearly two years.

The X800XT, 6800Ultra, and 8800GTX/Ultra have really spoiled some of you. More often than not the gap between video card generations isn't huge.

I have been buying new VideoCards like clockwork every 6-12 months starting with my first the VooDoo2, and then the TnT2 year ago. Back then a new generation came out once a year, and it's refresh 6 months later = 2 cards per year give or take a month or three. The 6month refresh was usually good for like 15-25% increase in benchmarks, and the new gen once per year good for like 30-50% or so.

Then stuff really got crazy with nVidia and the 6800Ultra being ike 100% faster than previous gen, then again the 7800GTX was like 75% faster than 6800, and the 8800GTX was 100% faster than 7800GTX.

So to tell me now this new 9800GTX will just be like 20% faster than the last gen 8800GTX is a freaking joke, even back in the good old GeForce1 +2 days even those next gens were like 25-50% faster than each other. I really don't understand how they can release this 9800GTX and just be around the same benchmarks as a 8800Ultra, why even bother we already have that = the 8800Ultra itself. Something is not right here, this not making sense to me, ever since the GeForce1 days the next generation was always a good bit faster, sure never 100% faster that is just once in awhile, but jeeze at least 30-50% faster.

 

[Sunin]

The X800XT, 6800Ultra, and 8800GTX/Ultra have really spoiled some of you. More often than not the gap between video card generations isn't huge.

QFT, I really have gotten spoiled I remember the difference back when 6800 Ultra was replaced and it was not a huge upgrade in FPS, but the 8800 was such an awesome performer we all just want that performance jump!!!

 

[Zorachus]

QFT, I really have gotten spoiled I remember the difference back when 6800 Ultra was replaced and it was not a huge upgrade in FPS, but the 8800 was such an awesome performer we all just want that performance jump!!!

The 7800GTX was a good amount faster than the 6800Ultra, not 100%, but for sure way more than the 9800GTX vs 8800GTX will be like of only 20%

 

[TerranUp16]

LOL, I love how confident everybody is that that G100 is going to CRUSH the R700. We really don't know anything about either.

ATi has simply underwhelmed as of late, and in the mean time has allowed nVidia hordes of development time and cash to put to use during that time- the combination of those two factors and the sheer dominance the 8800 series displayed would certainly put the odds in favor of nVidia's G100 rocking ATi's R700.

 

[VE2007]

When are the G100 coming out then

 

[Niceone]

The 7800GTX was a good amount faster than the 6800Ultra, not 100%, but for sure way more than the 9800GTX vs 8800GTX will be like of only 20%

Well that 20% difference between 9800 GTX and 8800 GTX is too optimistic. I don't think that G92 with 256-bit bus could get that much faster than 8800 GTS 512MB is right now. Perhaps with GDDR4 it could perform on par with 8800 GTX..winning it on low resolutions and losing in higher.

D9E-40 - 9800GX2 (dual G92)
D9E-20 - 9800GTX (faster G92)
D9P-40 - 9800GT (slower G92)
D9P-20/10 - 9600GT (G94)
D9M-40/10 - 9500/9400 (G96)

 

[jonneymendoza]

i would be happy with a 50% increase from an ultra to the 9800gx2

 

[VE2007]

Would games work the same as having a 9800GTX and the GX2?
Do you need to do anything?

 

[Niceone]

i would be happy with a 50% increase from an ultra to the 9800gx2

Well as it did with HD3870 X2 one can predict 9800 GX2 performance by looking at how 8800 GT 512 SLI and 8800 GTS 512 SLI works.

If 9800 GX2 will be (it's performance) close to 8800 GT 512 SLI we are looking at 6-50% better fps numbers that with 8800 Ultra. If it's closer to 8800 GTS 512 we are indeed looking at 25-55% better numbers.

HD3870 X2's performance in few games doesn't get to 8800 Ultra's level and in few games it get's 40% margin

 

[jonneymendoza]

sounds like im getter off buying an ultra then or prey and hope that the 9800gtx is better then the 9800gx2

 

[Zorachus]

Well that 20% difference between 9800 GTX and 8800 GTX is too optimistic. I don't think that G92 with 256-bit bus could get that much faster than 8800 GTS 512MB is right now. Perhaps with GDDR4 it could perform on par with 8800 GTX..winning it on low resolutions and losing in higher.

Wow I think my brain just melted from nVidia's stupidity So this new VideoCard with a next generation name of "9800GTX" will not even be faster than last gen 8800Ultra, that is just craziness, why even make it we already have the 8800Ultra.

So from November 2006 to March 2008 the best nVidia can come up with for a new GTX is just 10% faster, and actually slower than their own May 2007 card, unbelievable...this card does NOT deserve the 9800 name it should be 8900GTX

 

[HaMMerHeD]

I don't see why everyone's still gettin so worked up over the stupid name. Yeah it's lame, but the name doesn't mean anything anyway.

Personally, I wish they would just retire the "GeForce" brand altogether, and just market "G80" or "G92" or "G96" or whatever. So much simpler...

What's in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet;

 

[Manny Calavera]

And throw away a huge brand name,thats extremely well known and helps make them crazy profits ? I like the name.

 

[E.R]

When are the G100 coming out then

A good guess would be arund the same time ATI RV770, rumor is around late Q2 2008 for RV770 since ATI is pushing it out faster. But no one really knows but i hope around mid 2008 for both this cards.
And that makes "9800" Gx2 a new shortlived 7950Gx2.