8700k highest IPC to date...leak

Discussion in 'Intel Processors' started by tangoseal, Sep 12, 2017.

  1. PhaseNoise

    PhaseNoise Gawd

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    It is of course possible, and I have no specific knowledge for this case.

    I do have knowledge from the past CPUs I've worked on, and there were many cases where to perform optimally we needed a little tweak to the chipset. Ideally you recognize this early on, and get it in there prior to anything launching. Often you can see such significant changes that you've already got a new socket and support glue planned out long in advance, so it's all good. But...
    Sometimes you don't see a possible improvement until the previous version is now in the wild, and your intial intent was to just reuse the glue. At that point you face a really hard choice - do you cripple the new product to retain compatibility, or do you make the tweak, knowing it will piss some people off.

    BELIEVE ME, the big buyers (completely dwarfing the market for home users who want to upgrade) do not want a forced board spin if it can be avoided at all either. The new CPU is what moves boxes, not the chipset.

    I do not want to sound like an apologist, as I am certainly not. But I would respectfully indicate there is a lot of pressure with considerable leverage to not change the chipset, and if it does, there was likely a good reason.
     
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  2. tangoseal

    tangoseal [H]ardness Supreme

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    How much do you think these will be priced out of the gates?
     
  3. Master_shake_

    Master_shake_ 2[H]4U

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    450 I thought was the leaked MSRP?
     
  4. TahoeDust

    TahoeDust Limp Gawd

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    Last I heard $380 was the best guess.
     
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  5. tangoseal

    tangoseal [H]ardness Supreme

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    Wow so the price just goes up and up with each release.
     
  6. Boil

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    So, either just under, or more than the i7-7800X...?

    Does not seem right; I would hope, even with the addition of two more cores, that the pricing would stay consistent with current i7-7700 & i7-7700K SKUs...
     
  7. Shintai

    Shintai [H]ardness Supreme

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    No they dont.
     
  8. Shintai

    Shintai [H]ardness Supreme

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    350$. One retailer is listing them for ~360$ currently.
     
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  9. juanrga

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    ES != retail chip. Some early Zen Es had SMT disabled for instance.

    Also is it Kabylake just because it is reported as Kabylake? I guess you will claim this is not a 8600k but a 0000 model because it is reported as such.
     
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  10. kirbyrj

    kirbyrj Why oh why didn't I take the BLUE pill?

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  11. kirbyrj

    kirbyrj Why oh why didn't I take the BLUE pill?

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    You're putting words in my mouth (not surprising given your style of debate). You could also make the opposite argument. You have a brand new chip which is unidentified and not reported properly, but it picks up the known chipset correctly because it knows what it is.

    I'm fully aware that ES != retail chip, but you don't often see a change of socket with ES chips. I can't think of one example off the top of my head, but I'm sure you will find an obscure example and parade it in front of me shortly.
     
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  12. Shintai

    Shintai [H]ardness Supreme

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    Its list price that nobody pays. The prices for parts you cant buy directly couldn't be more irrelevant. Just as Microcenter is selling below list price, yet still makes a profit.

    You can try look at the cheapest Z270 board prices and think about if you think they can do the rest for what's left. I dont think you can make the boards, distribute, support and what not for 33$ in that class.
     
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  13. juanrga

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    Therefore the uncertainty goes to both sides. Yeah we know that.
     
  14. kirbyrj

    kirbyrj Why oh why didn't I take the BLUE pill?

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    MC is a bad example because MC actually does lose money on CPU sales (loss leader?). I'm sure Intel gives tier 1 manufacturers a deal, but they aren't giving them away. I'd guess in the $35-40 range personally. Either way, the point still remains Intel makes money off a new chipset. My understanding is there is a very small margin in motherboard sales, so it's not completely out of the picture that Intel is taking a good chunk of the money even if it is slightly more than $33.
     
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  15. entropism

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    MC has paper thin margins on CPUs, but they're not loss leaders. Loss leaders are their $5 32gb USB keys and Micro SD cards.

    The thin margins on CPUs are made up for by the other parts, like GPUs, drives, cases, keyboards & mice, etc.
     
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