8 Things Anita Sarkeesian Wants To Change About Video Games

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  1. CRaschNet

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    Most domestic violence in LGBT community is from lesbians and not gay men. Please stop quoting statistics without validation of the overall demographics.
     
  2. CreepyUncleGoogle

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    Honestly, I really dunno where I was going with that post. I was just responding to the thing about it being some political party based agenda to make straight white guys look bad. Though, I do agree that football is terrible for kids, but I don't really think its my place to have an opinion on what kids are doing. I'm the kinda person that would totally prefer to have all those child-making parts removed and maybe replaced with something more useful like a bigger bladder and someplace to keep a wireless charger. Though, video games are a projection of the society that makes them so maybe we need to talk to Japan about it's thing with octopuses after we finish getting rid of all those demons that are on the Moon.
     
  3. CreepyUncleGoogle

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    So you're saying there's evidence that there's a larger number of crimes in the US where the perp is a lesbian? *turns line graph right-side up* You might wanna count those again because there aren't that many lesbos around unless they're really, really keeping busy with getting speeding tickets and murdering other people and the prisons that are overflowing with dudes are somehow keeping the wrong people locked up. :D
     
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    Lesbians are often extremely dangerous individuals who are completely devoid of any sense of humor. I was brutally attacked in a bar by a, for lack of better description, "bull dyke" in 1986. It occurred after I tried my favorite pickup line on her girlfriend..."Do you have any German in you?....Would you like some?".....and then a comment about her girlfriend's penis size. I was blindsided on my occipital by the aforementioned dyke with a very heavy glass beer pitcher. I ended up in the ER with many stitches and what would prove to be a permanent scar. I am ashamed to shave my head to this day.

    I only wish hate crime legislation was in effect then as it would have surely prevented this dreadful incident. I would suspect lesbians are responsible for many more crimes than statistics would indicate. I was an innocent victim.
     
  5. CreepyUncleGoogle

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    I think lesbians are generally gross, but I'm pretty sure that there have been some studies that indicate that the guy-ish lesbians tend to have a lot more male hormones in their systems than straight women which, if true, would support the idea that male hormones leads to criminal behavior.

    Aside from that, your incident is awful and I totally feel for you. No one should ever hit anyone just for saying something, but it's also anecdotal and statistics back up that the majority of crime is a male thing.
     
  6. pcjunkie

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    Today your pickup line would be considered sexual harassment...followed by a pitcher to the head. Can't fix stupid but that is still no reason for a blow to the head...:)
     
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    Hitler was a National Socialist. He advocated for things like environmental regulations at the expense of property rights, bans on cigarette smoking, a welfare state, and elimination of classes and capitalism which are all left political ideologies. The fact that he happened to be an insane mass murderer doesn't change that.
     
  8. stevedave

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    Well I thought I closed this thread with one of my previous comments which wrapped up this whole conversation. This comment was just for a giggle.

    Part of my statement was any extremist is going to be wrong...saying that I'm obviously not liberal or conservative. I may agree with ideas from any side depending on merit. Everything Sarkeesian has said or done has little merit.
     
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    Should have posted a trigger warning here. Many people cannot handle a reminder of this inconvenient truth and will fall into denialism mode immediately.
     
  12. maverikv

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    You guys got me. You're right. Hitler was a textbook liberal. We agree on all the hot button issues. Gay rights. Equality for women. And the extermination of the Jews.

    Liberalism.
     
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    "I cannot understand the context of the argument as I've decided to close my mind to understanding the nuances of language and instead take EVERYTHING. LITERALLY."
    -maverikv

    You are quite literally stereotyping the type of people we criticize, as my previous link very clearly illustrates.
     
  14. mope54

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    They're too clever by half.

    Some of them comparing anyone and everyone indiscriminately to Hitler, another one repeating the No True Scotsman fallacy and whining about how no one is responding to his fallacious argument, and yet another personally attacking members.

    That's what they have to work with.
     
  15. maverikv

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    Well, I guess if you could reason with them they wouldn't act like this in the first place.
     
  16. Ducman69

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    Don't pretend you aren't overjoyed that the thread went so off-topic, so that you wouldn't have to stick on a simple logic/fact based argument. Which part of the following post when we were on-topic did you find "unreasonable"? Its numbered 1-5, and Mopes kryptonite so far. ;)

    http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1041464965&postcount=249
     
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    I dunno, maybe I'm just not that lame, but I don't play games to indulge in my sexual fantasies. So your arguments seems pretty ridiculous to me. Like gamers are mostly men, so clearly they must target male sexual fantasies, right? Why else would anyone play them?

    Christ, go download tinder.
     
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    his fallacious points are my kryptonite, therefore I can't answer them...again ad infinitum :rolleyes:
     
  20. maverikv

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    Sea lioning at its finest
     
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    Sigh. You are one of those stereotypical idiots aren't you? If not, refer to http://i.imgur.com/N4QOXen.jpg
     
  22. Ducman69

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    Mope, the problem you're having is that you can't stand up to a on-point logical debate, otherwise if one of the five summarized points was nonsense, you could explain why. The idea that you can't be bothered, when you'll go on about any other tangent is transparently false. You know you don't have a logical counter-argument that is on topic.
    Who said anything about sexual fantasies? I said fantasies, which is what pretty much all games are, be it a fantasy about being a Mechwarrior pilot out on an alien planet or a dragon slayer in a medieval fantasy world like in Skyrim.

    So because Mope can't explain it, why don't you give it a try? Why do you believe that games that target what a male audience likes are completely unacceptable to you to exist? If the majority of the gaming market is comprised of males, would it make sense that there are more games that target a male audience than a female one, and that not every single game will try to please EVERYONE and will actually have a target demographic?

    Now Mope did throw out that, well, games can be made to appeal to EVERYONE even including the most staunch feminists like Anita, Mope, etc. While that is certainly true, and we do in fact see many games that fit that criteria, its also obvious that what your average heterosexual male gamer enjoys WILL NOT without fail match what feminists enjoy, as they are different markets with different wants and their wants can be mutually exclusive.

    The biggest complaint from Anita for example is that games like Grand Theft Auto are allowed to exist. This is a game that I don't believe you can alter to make both the average "gamer-dude" and feminists happy, as the game would be so nerfed into political correctness as to lose its appeal. GTA for example is listed by "geek feminism" as something that needs to be banned because:
    And sure enough thanks to feminists' support, they did bully a massive retail chain like Target to remove it from sale. The wording here ("some reports say"), show that these feminists haven't even played it, and they aren't interested in playing the game, they just want to address the fact that OTHER people are playing it or that it exists at all. Its about social engineering.

    Otherwise, if its just about supporting feminist approved games, Anita wouldn't have to bitch and moan that Dying Light is sickening because its another "damsel in distress" game, forgetting to mention that the same "damsel" comes running out with a machine gun in the opening scene to save your life, and she'd acknowledge that there are a CRAPTON of feminist-friendly games on the market and either kickstart her own game concepts or simply direct more women to play feminist-friendly games (because the bigger the market, the more its invested in, this is common sense).

    Non-sexist/trope/whatever video games: Alien Isolation, Flower, Portal 1/2, Braid, The Sims Series, Metroid Prime, Fez, Mirror's Edge 1 and 2, Gone Home, Child of Light, Journey, Animal Crossing, Little Big Planet 1 and 2, Civilization Series, Armadillo Run, Unmechanical, Never Alone, Plants vs Zombies, Trauma Center, Transistor, Legend of Kora, Alice Madness Returns, Valkyria Chronicles, Guitar Hero, Dreamfall, Need for Speed, Flight Simulator X, Final Fantasy, Super Mario Galaxy, Borderlands, World of Goo, SSX, Wii Tennis, Spyro, Spore, Eternal Sonata, Life is Strange, Mass Effect Series, and so forth...

    Diversity in gaming means that there is room on the market that not EVERY game has to adhere to Anita Sarkeesian's and her hen's feminist-approved demands. It means that there can be games made for Anita, which is great, and games that are NOT made for her. The existence of those games on the market are not a problem that needs to be fixed.
     
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    You are wasting your time man, no amount of logic is ever going to sink in for that group. They aren't here to argue For equality, they are here to argue against it and in favor of censorship in order to get it.
     
  24. maverikv

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    You guys think you're arguing with Anita here which is why you don't get it. You're delusional. Keep blowing each other over your "logical arguments."

    Games are targeted at men because they allow you to live out male fantasies which is why only men play them which is why they cater to male fantasies which is why men play them.

    No circular logic there at all.

    And somehow you all find it so horrible that women want to play games? But hey have something to say about the sexism in games?

    You and Anita are the same- you both are just people that have opinions. But you're acting like she is the head of some regulatory body that's going to take away your jerk off material. Newsflash: even if some games reduce their sexist content, the boob jiggling and chain mail bikini shit isn't going to disappear. Anita isn't going to take it away from you. She's just another YouTuber. A youtuber people like you gave more influnce to with your textbook fedora tipping neckbeard scratching rage monkey overreactions. Take a fucking pill.
     
  25. Ducman69

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    Of course that would be circular, if through the history of gaming, we didn't have ANY feminist-friendly games on the market available. I've shown that we do.

    If 52% of gamers are female, as feminists tell us is the case, and those females do in fact give a crap about what feminists are complaining about (the female gamers I know don't), then logically they would buy up all those feminist-friendly games and would NOT buy games marketed towards young heterosexual males, correct? Games that sold in higher volumes would dominate the market. Supply and demand...

    Furthermore, because feminists tell us that female game developers work for 77 cents on every dollar a male game developer charges, it should be very difficult over the last 30 years of gaming for shops with primarily male developers to be cost competitive. The first shop that thought of the idea of hiring primarily female developers would have a huge cost advantage and dominate the market, forcing others to do likewise or run out of business, the same as manufacturing moved to China because of their lower overhead.

    So with female developers having a huge competitive advantage and most gamers being female, we should see very few male-centric games. Except we have to be honest with ourselves and realize this is pure nonsense, and that the majority of gamers are heterosexual males (gamers are NOT dead, lol), as are the majority of developers, and as was pointed out earlier it is human nature to want to play games that you can identify with... boys wanting to play as boys, so more games have male protagonists (but not all):
     
  26. talk2troy

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    Butt, butt, butt, reality in games?
     
  27. Ducman69

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    Butt its important that we highlight how unrealistically women are portrayed in video games! Females might have body image issues... how is every woman supposed to be able to achieve a body like hers:

    [​IMG]
     
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    Kim Kardouchebag achieved dat azz... why can't all other womenz?

    Ohhhhh.... double standardz for gamez girlz vs celebriteaze?

    Why isn't she bitching about celebriteaze?
     
  29. talk2troy

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    Bejeweled & Angry Birds are games, but not really the games we are talking about.

    However, those are the stats that fit the deceptive narrative...

    There are two types of statistics - holistic statistics that give you the whole picture & the selective portion which statisticians share with you to achieve the mission of those who are paying them money to spew BS.
     
  30. talk2troy

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    The answer is 42
     
  31. Ducman69

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    Yup, its the same nonsense statistics that say that women make 77 cents for every dollar a male makes (repeated ad nauseum), which simply compares the average income of women vs men in the nation. They look at doctors for example, and show that its true on average male doctors earn more than female doctors. But they leave out the fact that a disproportionate amount of female doctors are entering lower paying fields like pediatric care and general practice, compared to surgeons and cardiologists and the like that males are pursuing. And the same applies to many other fields, and also factors into account that women are on average working fewer hours with longer leaves of absence (sometimes for years to raise children, which naturally affects career progression).

    Funny enough, there's also evidence that women don't actually have any genetic advantage over men in longevity, and studies suggest men live shorter lives because of additional stress and social pressures over their lifetimes (especially now with the war on boys; where the CIS male is a safe punching bag). The suicide right likewise for men is over three times higher than females, and again stress is blamed as a primary factor. Yet, we are led to believe by feminists that men are a privileged class just lounging back and having grapes plopped in their gaping mouths while women in the West have life so very difficult.
     
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    Did a girl dump you once and hurt your feels, turning you into a MRA?
     
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    I had a severe allergic reaction to retardism around the time of Gamergate watching the feminist's responses to gamers, and I suppose I am still recovering day by day. :D
     
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  35. maverikv

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    You're allergic to retardism and your reaction was to the gamergate critics? Lol.
     
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    Did not read thread... :mad:

    BUTT = if I had drugs & was a POS liar, I want to be him vs. my current life.

    Any life is better than being the wage slave that I currently am...
     
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    Aw shit - it is this thread... yeah, I still want drugs.
     
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    This and the last two. /Thread /Movement
     
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    I look at that list and I think "hey, that's not so bad"

    But because she wrote it, the Internet explodes.
     
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    Gonna have to call you on those games: mario features princess helplessness and rescue, need for speed typically uses scantily clad women to cater toward an audience. borderlands only features sex-appeal from female characters, braid is a game about reuniting a stalker with his victim, mass effect features waaay more lesbian relationships than gay male ones, an only featured gay male relationships in the final game, whereas lesbian relationships were featured earlier. Mirror's edge 2 is not released.

    That said I agree with most of what's being said in opposition to feminist anti-equality such as Sarkisian's videos, but Anita represents a negative side effect to an actual problem that actually exists. It's getting much better, but it takes a large spoonful of ignorance for anyone to deny that big budget video games don't feature a bit of female oppression for the sake of typical male fantasy.

    Mind you, I'm a huge advocate for equality; I don't want to get rid of the games we have today, I want the diversity to increase, so that much more people can enjoy video games as an artform.