6800 / XT Review Round Up

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Not a review. Just an editorial.
Wow, that is quite the butthurt "review", I'm happy overall with the AMD showing the cards land right about where all the reasonable information said they were going too. I've been saying for a while that many of the "leaks" were just too good to be true and that they were there to get the AMD diehards over-hyped so that when the actual product launched they would be let down by what is by all accounts a good card. AdoredTV's article there really just goes to show that a counter whisper campaign can still work.
 

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Wow, that is quite the butthurt "review", I'm happy overall with the AMD showing the cards land right about where all the reasonable information said they were going too. I've been saying for a while that many of the "leaks" were just too good to be true and that they were there to get the AMD diehards over-hyped so that when the actual product launched they would be let down by what is by all accounts a good card. AdoredTV's article there really just goes to show that a counter whisper campaign can still work.
I don't know what you mean.

Navi2x/RDNA2 has far exceeded expectation

Not many people thought that AMD would challenge NVIDIA at the very top end.
 

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As a person who turns on RT when I have the opportunity, I'll continue to hold out for the possibility of getting a 3080.

Although the 6800XT might be just as unobtanium.
 

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I don't know what you mean.

Navi2x/RDNA2 has far exceeded expectation

Not many people thought that AMD would challenge NVIDIA at the very top end.
That's the thing depending on where you were getting your "leaks", the card either exceeded, met, or vastly underwhelmed. For me, it falls in the meets/exceeds, but for many others, Adored included they are vastly underwhelmed, and strait up disappointed by AMD's showing that it isn't half the power draw at a 20% performance increase
 

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That's the thing depending on where you were getting your "leaks", the card either exceeded, met, or vastly underwhelmed. For me, it falls in the meets/exceeds, but for many others, Adored included they are vastly underwhelmed, and strait up disappointed by AMD's showing that it isn't half the power draw at a 20% performance increase
Agreed, this is why measuring against expectations is meaningless. The only measurement that matters is against the competition.
 

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That's the thing depending on where you were getting your "leaks", the card either exceeded, met, or vastly underwhelmed. For me, it falls in the meets/exceeds, but for many others, Adored included they are vastly underwhelmed, and strait up disappointed by AMD's showing that it isn't half the power draw at a 20% performance increase
In other words, Adored hype the #### out of it and gets "disappointed" when it doesn't quite live up to his own hype.
 

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I will still buy an RTX 3080. AMD did a good job with the 6800/6900 seires...BUT

I never buy the first model of anything.
 

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Radeon RX 6800 XT is already version 6 since it has 6xxx in its name.
I'm only accounting for RT & DLSS / Fedelity FX features.

But Radeon has used 6800 series name before, so maybe it is v2. 😋
 

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Looks like the perfect 1440P high refresh rate card, seems to fall a bit behind in 4K. I wonder if AMD will refresh these with GDDR6X at some point.
 

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Looks like the perfect 1440P high refresh rate card, seems to fall a bit behind in 4K. I wonder if AMD will refresh these with GDDR6X at some point.
It's unlikely but not impossible, GDDR6x uses PAM4 signaling and not NRZ like the standard GDDR6, PAM4 is much more prone to signal issues and requires significant considerations when designing the PCB and surrounding components, it also uses more overall energy and generates more heat all while costing more money itself. If AMD were to release a card using the memory it likely would no longer be able to claim their overall energy efficiency, the card would likely also end up costing at least on par with their NVidia counterparts, and because of AMD's cache and other architecture changes, I'm not even sure that it would result in a dramatic performance improvement worthy of the cost over the previous model.
 

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The question is, when can I buy one, 3080 or 6800XT. I would be happy to get either one, but I don't want to pay double from fleabay.
 

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I don't know what you mean.

Navi2x/RDNA2 has far exceeded expectation

Not many people thought that AMD would challenge NVIDIA at the very top end.

I agree with that. I have been very positively surprised by RDNA2. If you had asked me three months ago, I would have told you (and probably did) that I was expecting them to *almost* catch up with the 2080ti.

I am considering buying an AMD GPU for the first time since my 7970 in January of 2012. I did not expect to be saying this in 2020.
 

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Looks like the perfect 1440P high refresh rate card, seems to fall a bit behind in 4K. I wonder if AMD will refresh these with GDDR6X at some point.
I think they're going to play it safe. They probably still have nightmares about HBM2.

They should make 16GB's of that sweet Infinity Fabric!
 

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I think they're going to play it safe. They probably still have nightmares about HBM2.

They should make 16GB's of that sweet Infinity Fabric!

Nice to see a company that learns from its mistakes. Exotic memories can sink an entire lineup. Cool that they can compete with that exotic memory with a on die cache system. Next die shrink should really be great for them. If they can double or even triple the amount of cache I imagine feeding 4k will be as easy as 1080.
 

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Nice to see a company that learns from its mistakes. Exotic memories can sink an entire lineup. Cool that they can compete with that exotic memory with a on die cache system. Next die shrink should really be great for them. If they can double or even triple the amount of cache I imagine feeding 4k will be as easy as 1080.
Yes, I think I'm even more excited as to what their next card could bring. the on die cache system is a neat idea.
 
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lol.

Definitely a glass half empty kind of guy. How is ampere a poor architecture? % improvement wise compared to previous gen ampere is up there with the best of them
That is what stood out to me. The guy was a bit harsh on the 6000's being disappointing, they were not. He was accurate, the 6800 xt did not quite take the crown, came close. But to say RTX 3000 was underwhelming is plain silly. That is what makes the 6000's so impressive, NVIDIA dropped a bomb and AMD still closed the gap.
 

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the 6800 xt did not quite take the crown, came close.
Again, all the 6800 series was supposed to do was fill the product performance gap between 1080ti and 3070... that the card trades blows evenly, about, with the 3080 is just gravy (and it's cheaper). It's the BIG Navi 6900XT that's promised to be the nVidia killer, toppling the 3090
/not buying a gpu this year - sticking with my 5700XT until the next product cycle refresh next fall
 

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lol.

Definitely a glass half empty kind of guy. How is ampere a poor architecture? % improvement wise compared to previous gen ampere is up there with the best of them
My read is he's being intentionally and subtly contrarian because he believes it's easier to stand out and drive traffic that way. Not blatantly "say the opposite of reality for attention" but on the spectrum somewhere.

Like how there are always one or two game review sites that give a game 6/10, while its 9/10 everywhere else and widely praised by gamers.
 

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The Radeon RX 6800 has a surprising amount of overclocking headroom. We were able to push it to as much as 2.55GHz, with rock-solid stability.

The Radeon RX 6800 manages to nearly level with the RTX 3080 in roughly half of the games we tested, while reducing the delta to ~8-10% in the rest. Compared to the RTX 3070, the overclocked RX 6800 is approximately 35% faster, with certain titles such as Tomb Raider seeing gains in excess of 40%. Unfortunately for NVIDIA, the RTX 3070/3080 comes with little to no overclocking headroom.

https://www.hardwaretimes.com/amd-radeon-rx-6800-review/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
 

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Have you actually read the reviews?

Radeon RX 6800 is faster than the GeForce RTX 3070.

In fact it wasn't even close.

Radeon RX 6700 XT is going to be AMD's intended competitor to the GeForce RTX 3070.

So far, only FPS Review. Yes, it is faster sometimes but otherwise they are equal from what I have seen so far.
 

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Have you actually read the reviews?

Radeon RX 6800 is faster than the GeForce RTX 3070.

In fact it wasn't even close.

Radeon RX 6700 XT is going to be AMD's intended competitor to the GeForce RTX 3070.

I'm thinking the 6800 will compete regardless; if I were in the market for video cards in that price bracket the extra video memory alone would have been sufficient grounds to consider paying the extra bit, even at equal or slightly worse performance in current games.
 

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Interesting generation. Honestly more hinges on stock then performance. Still great too see AMD in a competitive position regarding performance
 

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I wouldn't buy a 6800XT over a RTX 3080. Assuming you could find a RTX 3080. The 6800XT does perform similar to a 3080 at rasterization but is slower in Ray-Tracing. In fact some games that use Ray-Tracing are just broken on the 6800XT. 4K performs worse on the 6800XT than the 3080 due to slower VRAM. The 16GB of VRAM also doesn't seem to work for productivity applications. The $50 savings isn't worth it.
 

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I wouldn't buy a 6800XT over a RTX 3080. Assuming you could find a RTX 3080. The 6800XT does perform similar to a 3080 at rasterization but is slower in Ray-Tracing. In fact some games that use Ray-Tracing are just broken on the 6800XT. 4K performs worse on the 6800XT than the 3080 due to slower VRAM. The 16GB of VRAM also doesn't seem to work for productivity applications. The $50 savings isn't worth it.

The situation seems to reverse for 6800 vanilla vs the 3070.

3070 seems to be running into memory size limitations at 4K especially with Ray Tracing on (shadow of the Tomb Raider game for example)

At lower resolutions the high overclocking ability of 6800 gives it a leg-up

Right now DLSS is the only ace in Nvidia's hand. As soon as AMD comes up with its own equivalent the 6800 should match or better the 3070 in all scenarios, including future proofing with extra memory
 

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Very happy AMD is bringing competition back to the high-end -- really a banner day for AMD. That said, I'll hold on to my 3080. As I (and many others) predicted, 6800XT does remarkably well competing up to 1440p, but at 4k the extra 320-bit bandwidth of the 3080 starts to pull ahead (this will be even more obvious on the 6900XT vs 3090). And not that this means much, but as expected, the 6800s RT performance is seriously behind Ampere.

Dare I ask a question I did months back... can the vanilla 6800/XT unlock an CUs? Halcyon were the days when you could buy a mid-tier card and unlock it to it's upper-tier brethren.
 
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Nice to see AMD putting out a competitive card, consumer wins.

Though now I´m not sure what to choose, if I go AMD there´s the smart access memory feature when using Ryzen CPU, but NVIDIA has better performance when it comes to RT and DLSS.

Well, I suppose that either card will suit me fine as I intend to game at 1440p, but we will see how it goes in the next couple months.
 

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So far, only FPS Review. Yes, it is faster sometimes but otherwise they are equal from what I have seen so far.
Radeon RX 6800 is faster that GeForce RTX 3070, sometimes by significant margin (and even beating GeForce RTX 3080 and GeForce RTX 3090).

In the worst case scenario, Radeon RX 6800 is slightly faster GeForce RTX 3070.

So no, the performance is not "roughly equal".

https://www.techspot.com/review/2146-amd-radeon-6800/
 

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Radeon RX 6800 is faster that GeForce RTX 3070, sometimes by significant margin (and even beating GeForce RTX 3080 and GeForce RTX 3090).

In the worst case scenario, Radeon RX 6800 is slightly faster GeForce RTX 3070.

So no, the performance is not "roughly equal".

https://www.techspot.com/review/2146-amd-radeon-6800/


Hmm... It looks like the FPS Reviews choice of games happened to be mostly ones where RX6800 did not shine and stick like a sore thumb from the pack. 🤔
 

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The situation seems to reverse for 6800 vanilla vs the 3070.

3070 seems to be running into memory size limitations at 4K especially with Ray Tracing on (shadow of the Tomb Raider game for example)

At lower resolutions the high overclocking ability of 6800 gives it a leg-up

Right now DLSS is the only ace in Nvidia's hand. As soon as AMD comes up with its own equivalent the 6800 should match or better the 3070 in all scenarios, including future proofing with extra memory

What we do not know is if AMD's solution going to be compatible with DLSS? It is going to be a clusterfuck is one games supports DLSS but not AMD's version and vice versa.
 

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Nice to see AMD putting out a competitive card, consumer wins.

Though now I´m not sure what to choose, if I go AMD there´s the smart access memory feature when using Ryzen CPU, but NVIDIA has better performance when it comes to RT and DLSS.

Well, I suppose that either card will suit me fine as I intend to game at 1440p, but we will see how it goes in the next couple months.
It's a hard choice if you're gaming at 1440p: 6800xt looks a hair faster in FPS for most games, 3080 is better at RT. I suppose if you have a Gsync monitor, that means nV; if you have a Freesync monitor that does Gsync (like me), you're good to go with either.

In a pre-2020 world, I'd say AIB model, reseller and warranty would be the deciding factors here. However, at the end of the day -- and it's been said before -- in this environment get whatever cotton-pickin' card you can.
 
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