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Just keep an eye on moore's law is dead. He has been dead on with every single AMD leak in the last year.
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6700 Speculation & Rumors (NOT 6800/6900x)
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According to YouTuber Moore's Law is Dead, the RX 6700 XT is expected to blow away the RTX 3060
https://www.tomsguide.com/news/forg...mds-radeon-rx-6700-xt-will-be-the-card-to-get
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the specs definitely suggest that... 3060 will probably be around 2070S/5700XT performance, and 6700XT will have the much higher clocks on top of that.
i think 6700XT will be a bit more expensive than 3060 too... 6700 will be a bit slower than 3060 but a little cheaper.
If the rumored specs are correct I'm expecting the 6700XT to keep up with or beat the 3060Ti on rasterization after doing a few back of the napkin calculations. The 3080 and 6800XT are both set as 100% since they're pretty close to each other in benchmarks, plus we can't directly compare core/CU counts or clockspeed across architectures and AMD's Infinity Cache turns direct comparisons of memory bandwidth into semi-rubbish. So AMD card %s are relative to the 6800XT and NV card %s are relative to the 3080.
| GPU | Cores/CU | Boost Clock GHz | Cores*Clock | Mem GB/s | Cache |
| 3090 | 10496 120% | 1.70 99% | 120% | 936 123% | NA |
| 3080 | 8704 100% | 1.71 100% | 100% | 760 100% | NA |
| 3070 | 5888 68% | 1.73 101% | 67% | 448 59% | NA |
| 3060Ti | 4864 56% | 1.67 98% | 55% | 448 59% | NA |
| 3060 | 3584 41% | 1.78 104% | 42.6% | 360 41% | NA |
| 6900XT | 80 111% | 2.250 100% | 111% | 512 100% | 128MB 100% |
| 6800XT | 72 100% | 2.250 100% | 100% | 512 100% | 128MB 100% |
| 6800 | 60 83% | 2.105 94% | 78% | 512 100% | 128MB 100% |
| 6700XT | 40 56% | 2.4? ~107% | ~60% | 384 75% | 96MB 75% |
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yeah, watch the mlid podcast or youtube blips if you can, quoting him often takes anything he's saying way out of context as he always describes how and why he arrives at particular decisions. Toms doesn't have the best track record with nuetrality either so i tend to ignore their articles written after 2006.
The first comment under the linked TechpowerUp post, claims that this is in the range of the RTX 3070 (in Ashes of Singularity)
Navi 23 class GPU to be used in Tesla.
But only 8 GB VRAM & not 12 GB. Maybe it is the mobile version !?
But only 8 GB VRAM & not 12 GB. Maybe it is the mobile version !?
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The newest rumors suggest that the XT cards will get 12gb vram, while the non XT ones will get 6:
RX 6700 XT 12gb
RX 6700 6gb
RX 6600 XT 12gb
RX 6600 6gb
This could make some sense if priced appropriately. The 6gb 6700 will need an attractive price vs the 3060 with double the memory though... Can't possibly go over $299.
https://videocardz.com/newz/powerco...b-and-rx-6700-6gb-graphics-card-appear-at-eec
RX 6700 XT 12gb
RX 6700 6gb
RX 6600 XT 12gb
RX 6600 6gb
This could make some sense if priced appropriately. The 6gb 6700 will need an attractive price vs the 3060 with double the memory though... Can't possibly go over $299.
https://videocardz.com/newz/powerco...b-and-rx-6700-6gb-graphics-card-appear-at-eec
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I am guessing this is how AMD will position these cards:
RX 6700 XT 12gb vs RTX 3070 8gb
RX 6700 6gb vs RTX 3060ti 8gb
RX 6600 XT 12gb vs RTX 3060 12gb
RX 6600 6gb vs RTX 3050 6gb
RX 6700 performance leaks:
https://www.thefpsreview.com/2021/0...ng-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3070-in-various-titles/
https://www.thefpsreview.com/2021/0...ng-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3070-in-various-titles/
That's pretty much what I expected after some back of the napkin calculations comparing it to other 6000 series AMD cards and comparing the relative performance of 3000 series NV cards. I figured it would generally beat a 3060Ti and be back and forth against a 3070. At least some things in the world of video cards are still sane.
Well this is depressing:
AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT Required for Ray-Tracing in Resident Evil Village
https://www.hardwaretimes.com/amd-r...red-for-ray-tracing-in-resident-evil-village/
So what about people who paid scalpers prices of around a grand for a 6800 non-XT card?
And it seems the 6700XT isn't going to cut it for sure, so what is the point?
AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT Required for Ray-Tracing in Resident Evil Village
https://www.hardwaretimes.com/amd-r...red-for-ray-tracing-in-resident-evil-village/
So what about people who paid scalpers prices of around a grand for a 6800 non-XT card?
And it seems the 6700XT isn't going to cut it for sure, so what is the point?
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Based on the memory information, I'd think that it wouldn't be as capable of a miner card as the 5700 series so that might help with availability.
I would wait until the cards and game is available to see how it performs. Too much guesswork beforehand. Might be a good title to finally have a feel for the RT capability of RNDA2 cards with a game designed for it.
Just got back 30 min ago from my local MC on the East Coast -- got there 7:21am EST, had a reference RX 6700 XT (from Sapphire) in my hands by 9:45am (for $479 USD). And there were guys behind me that got reference cards, too -- definitely not some paper launch.
Microcenter's QR check-in process officially started @ 7:30am, and my turn came up around 8am (I was in the 20s, in terms of list). They texted me at 9:36am; worked quite well (got breakfast @ the local McDonalds, a 2 min walk away, while I was waiting).
My local MC had Sapphire & AsRock for their 6700 XT reference providers; rest were all AIB customs, starting @ $779 USD.
There was one EVGA RTX 3070 up for grabs, but that went fast (well before it was my turn to get my card, from what I saw).
Given the short line, and relatively quick process, it looks like a lot of folks really bought into the mildly negative reviews on the RX 6700 XT.
All releases had decent stock for launch. Afterwards they have a very slow trickle. Especially for AMD cards. Mine showing all showed out but 24 power color cards that were $820.
Checking my local MC right now, they have only 1 reference card @ $479USD and 12 Powercolor Red Devils @ $819USD -- but I just talked on Discord w/a guy who was just there, and he says that there's only 1 Red Devil left; no other RX 6700 XTs whatsoever (website is probably updated slowly, as expected).
It does update slowly.
Oh yeah, no way is the RX 6700 XT worth $779 USD and up. Only way that'd even work, is if you can buy the 6700 XT at that inflated price, sell your old video card, and still come out with at least a 10% or more profit.
Otherwise, heck no.
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Good god. First navi22 at nearly $500 yet lacking ai up scaling, other features like Nvidia’s noise suppression for video calls... now navi23 has a 128bit memory, tiny chip size and it’s expected to go for $380???
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-nav...ssors-and-8gb-gddr6-memory-to-launch-in-april
look I’m the first person to criticize Nvidia’s crappy practices, but Amd is making them look like the budget brand with a $330 3060. This is no longer about shortages, these are deliberate pricing structures. What is even happening? Rx 480 was a similarly sized chip with a 256bit bus and cost $200-250.
are these companies just pushing us to buy consoles???
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-nav...ssors-and-8gb-gddr6-memory-to-launch-in-april
look I’m the first person to criticize Nvidia’s crappy practices, but Amd is making them look like the budget brand with a $330 3060. This is no longer about shortages, these are deliberate pricing structures. What is even happening? Rx 480 was a similarly sized chip with a 256bit bus and cost $200-250.
are these companies just pushing us to buy consoles???
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LOL. Yeah, let me know where those at SEP are for sale a day after launch. SEP is an illusion and means NOTHING.
The partner cards of 6700 XT are officially priced at equivalent of what the 2080 super used to sell (last year)
& performance is also in line with that
Effectively official price remains same as last year for same performance bracket
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And that has to do what with the SEP of 3060 cards that was the point of the discussion your quoted?
I am not sure about 3060
But regarding the 6700 XT, I think the market can settle to the official AIB price (~$800) within 1 quarter
So my observation is that in 3 months time we will be back to where we were 1 year ago in terms of both performance & price
Nope. I think this might be the new norm til next generation cards come out. Even then we might not get a reset in the market. Mining craze has had fucking blew the demand even higher then it was.
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I never even saw a newegg drop yesterday. I think they held everything for the shuffle. You took your chances there if you wanted one.
Best Buy had a drop and I had two tabs where I got an add to cart eventually however clicking it did nothing. May have been a browser issue (firefox) on my end, not sure. When I refreshed eventually it was gone out of stock.
AMD's website was a trash fire of 503 errors, being unable to add to cart, etc.. The typical experience there. Some people were somehow able to get through it, most of us were screwed.
Best Buy had a drop and I had two tabs where I got an add to cart eventually however clicking it did nothing. May have been a browser issue (firefox) on my end, not sure. When I refreshed eventually it was gone out of stock.
AMD's website was a trash fire of 503 errors, being unable to add to cart, etc.. The typical experience there. Some people were somehow able to get through it, most of us were screwed.
I'd rather do it myself, but thanks.
Laughed a little seeing the 6700 XT beating the 3080 on certain games/resolutions. Also surprised at how well it can be playable in 4K, even with max settings depending upon game. Also realized how stupid a 6900 XT is for a 1440p 144hz monitor
Where did you get this nonsense?
Confirmation of the 6700 6 GB here:
https://www.techpowerup.com/280016/...xt-fighter-pictured-confirms-6-gb-memory-size
This will probably be the new mainstream card which us disappointing for many but it the situation we are in. I know there is ALOT of sellers remorse around here
As for the 6600 series, I would imagine 128 bit cards for those. And yes, there will be an 8 GB 6600 class card that will have more vram than the higher performing 6 GB 6700. I am really not sure why people are so blown away when this happens.
I am expecting the 128 bit cards to be the 6500 series
Very suspicious of the 6700 6gb. Not sure if it is OEM only & not for retail sale
The 6600 cards will likely be cut down Navi 22
If that is the case then it makes sense for a 6600 XT 12gb & 6600 6gb
Having 2 192 bit cards is more than AMD has ever had already so very doubtful they will have 4. The 6700 is already a cut down 6700xt.
Furthermore, Navi 23 mobile rumors are coming out and they have 8 GB of vram (128 bit).