64 GB Memory Kit for X570

[loafer87gt]

Hi all, I see there are many different threads about memory for the new Ryzen 3000 series of chips. I am in the process of putting together the components for a 3950X build, and would like to find a 64GB kit that plays nicely with the MSI Prestige X570 Motherboard. I know that C14 3600 is supposed to be much faster than C14 3200 kits, but I am having a hard time justifying the extra cost as a kit of Corsair 3200 C16 LPX is about $339, and the Corsair Dominator C18 3600 kit is about $880. The other thing that is confusing me is that people say with the LPX kits you never know what memory modules you will get, so you might end up with some sticks that use Hynix memory that does not work well with Ryzen. Without breaking the bank, what would you guys recommend for a good kit for my upcoming build? This is the rest of the components for my system. I would like to order the memory sooner than later as the ram prices have jumped up quite a bit over the last weeks.


CPU Cooler

be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler No Prices Available
Motherboard

MSI PRESTIGE X570 CREATION EATX AM4 Motherboard $668.11
Memory

Corsair Dominator Platinum RGB 64 GB (4 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory $857.02
Storage

Corsair MP600 Force Series Gen4 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive $339.99
Video Card

MSI GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB GAMING X TRIO Video Card $748.40
Case

Corsair 750D ATX Full Tower Case $201.99
Power Supply

Corsair HX Platinum 750 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply $174.99
Optical Drive

LG WH14NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer $67.99
Operating System

Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit

 

[loafer87gt]

Found this in stock at NewEgg.ca which is rated as compatible with the motherboard I was looking at. It's $50 more for 3600C16 vs. 3600C18. Is it worth spending? I can't find any reviews comparing the two speeds. If it is negligible, I will just go with the cheaper kit. One other I had wanted to check on, is that the folks at Computer Express told me that on all X570 boards, if all four memory slots are populated you cannot run faster than 2667 memory speed. Is this true?


https://www.newegg.ca/g-skill-64gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232869?Description=trident z neo&cm_re=trident_z_neo-_-20-232-869-_-Product

 

[thecold]

Found this in stock at NewEgg.ca which is rated as compatible with the motherboard I was looking at. It's $50 more for 3600C16 vs. 3600C18. Is it worth spending? I can't find any reviews comparing the two speeds. If it is negligible, I will just go with the cheaper kit. One other I had wanted to check on, is that the folks at Computer Express told me that on all X570 boards, if all four memory slots are populated you cannot run faster than 2667 memory speed. Is this true?


https://www.newegg.ca/g-skill-64gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232869?Description=trident z neo&cm_re=trident_z_neo-_-20-232-869-_-Product

Populating all channels with dual ranked dimms can always be a crapshoot. From board to board you can get some variation (even the same model). On top of that variation you have processor memory controller variation. You'll get better luck if you the memory is in the QLV, but even the QLV goes like this

From MSI

"RX-3X00 series QVL table list only, performance will still depends on the CPU and CPU FCLK."

They do have some 64 gb module kits at 3600, so it's likely possible.

 

[IdiotInCharge]

You're overpaying for tech that you'll never even use, and you're worried about a few extra Canadian Pesos?

And you're not topping out the GPU?

Also, you have no idea when you'll be able to grab a 3950X, or what else will actually also be available (as in actually in stock) when it arrives.

 

[thesmokingman]

Why so much ram? Are you building a wkstn? Why a gaming gpu? If you were making a compute wkstn, might wanna check on a Radeon VII.

Get a Windows 10 key from the seller in the for sale forum.
https://hardforum.com/posts/1044298368/

That MB is overkill. A Strix-E is more than most ppl need anyways at half the price.

You don't need that m2, especially at that price. A 1tb m2 pcie3 is again more than enough.
https://hardforum.com/threads/hot-inland-1tb-nvme-premium-107-99-microcenter.1978390/

 

[loafer87gt]

You're overpaying for tech that you'll never even use, and you're worried about a few extra Canadian Pesos?

And you're not topping out the GPU?

Also, you have no idea when you'll be able to grab a 3950X, or what else will actually also be available (as in actually in stock) when it arrives.

I'm replacing my old 3D rendering workstation, so all the cores of the 3950X will be put to use. Hopefully the availability isn't as poor as the 3900X. I was going to do a 2950 TR build, but with the IPC improvements even the 3900 is within spitting distance despite having four less cores. With larger scenes, 64GB becomes almost a necessity. As my rendering software is totally CPU rendering based, the 2070 super should be more than enough for when I want to be doing any casual gaming on the side. With the latest Creator Drivers, Nvidia's consumer level cards work great in both AutoCAD and 3DSMax. As the autosaves on my 3DSMax programs can be quite be quite time intensive on larger scenes, I want to go for the fastest drive possible for my autosaves and productivity applications so that is why I was looking at the Gen4 ssd's. After finding out about the memory speed limitations though, I might go back to looking at a Threadripper build.

 

[thesmokingman]

I would wait on the TR refresh. No sense in investing in the old chipset moving forward.

 

[IdiotInCharge]

I would wait on the TR refresh. No sense in investing in the old chipset moving forward.

I would, actually. Whatever TR fits the bill, with a decent board.

Then I'd get a PCIe card that supports four x4 M.2 drives, grab the cheap Inlands (etc.) off Amazon, and stripe them in the OS (RAID-0) for your working set. Remember that the fastest PCIe 4.0 M.2 drives are only about 1.5x faster, at best, yet cost over three times as much. You could get two and the card to start with, and still be at a lower cost with more performance and more space.

What I would back away from are the expensive board and the semi-exotic RAM. Ryzen 3000 can run RAM at higher clocks, but that's no match for twice the channels on TR, and with TR you'd still only be running one DIMM per channel. That means that you're more likely to be able to run your memory at rated speeds, and if you need to add more later, you can.

And then you're set up for next-gen TR, which will just scale up to 2x 3950X, with more expandability where needed for memory and storage.

 

[thesmokingman]

The first gen x399 boards sucked and they were plagued by problems. That said, you obviously lose out on the pcie upgrade.

 

[loafer87gt]

Populating all channels with dual ranked dimms can always be a crapshoot. From board to board you can get some variation (even the same model). On top of that variation you have processor memory controller variation. You'll get better luck if you the memory is in the QLV, but even the QLV goes like this

From MSI

"RX-3X00 series QVL table list only, performance will still depends on the CPU and CPU FCLK."

They do have some 64 gb module kits at 3600, so it's likely possible.

I spoke with technical support at MSI, and then said that even if all four ram slots are populated, the ram will be able to run at it's rated speeds. Different from what the sales person at Computer Express told me.