64-Core Threadripper and ultra-HEDT X599 Coming End of 2019

Sounds more like a server part to me. I wouldn't want one of these, the clocks per core will be too low.

The high core count Intel parts that cost $10,000 are clocked at 1.9Ghz to 2.6Ghz. They do have turbo but it's been under 3.9Ghz from those I have looked at. Those make good hosts for VM's. But for us, for gaming, they would be a downgrade. And I would be surprised if this thing was less than $3,000. Makes no sense to get one for gaming.
 
I'd say they are somewhat concerned.
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Intel really doesn't have a good answer to high core counts as long as they are on monolithic dies and have 14nm. However their mobile platform is doing great. AMD has not challenged Intel at all with the Zen APUs. Hopefully 7nm will make the difference.
 
IdiotInCharge said:
They will have them- they're named 'Epyc'. :)
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Rockenrooster said:
You have literally just described EPYC............
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I guess I just dont see any point in a many core chip like when it very much acomplishes the exact same thing as many core server chips do.

drescherjm said:
The problem with EPYC (when used as a workstation instead of TR) is that it has a lower frequency. I assume that the TDP is more restricted and there is considerably more margin for stability.
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tdp is normally less restricted on servers. I have server sockets that can push 250w+ so they can fit more on the die. cooling is also less limited on servers because you can just strap a jet engine to it and call it a day. There should be no reason the epyc chip shouldnt be able to turbo just as high on a finit amount of cores as this chip. Honestly the only way this would make since would be if they were trying to charge substantially more for the ability to run multiple chips but even then windows begins to hit limits at 256 threads and on massively parallel tasks they can normally be distributed over multiple servers
 
drescherjm said:
Intel really doesn't have a good answer to high core counts as long as they are on monolithic dies and have 14nm. However their mobile platform is doing great. AMD has not challenged Intel at all with the Zen APUs. Hopefully 7nm will make the difference.
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intel already made an answer to to high core count cpus. it was abunch of modified pentium cores tied together on a die with quad way hyperthreading and 16gb of super quick mcdram. Its called the intel phi it worked pretty well and if they felt like doing it again they very well could thrown abunch of cores on a single chip.
 
I'd be happy with a 24 core at decent clocks. Hell if they do a high clock 16c i'm in

I wonder if they are as limited on TR4 as they are on AM4, the socket is designed to shift more power and the cpu's will be better balanced - by that i mean that the I/O die will be in the middle and the chiplets spread on both sides, on AM4 both chiplets are on the same side which means a lot of heat in a very small space. Plus all that I/O:- Dual gpu's, quad M.2 at PICe 4 plus more m.2 on the mobo, u.2, USB 3.2 Gen 2, hell you might even see thunderbolt!
 
This is the one I plan on finally upgrading to, probably the 16 to 32 core edition depending on what the sweet spot is for single core turbo overclocks.
 
mikeo said:
This is the one I plan on finally upgrading to, probably the 16 to 32 core edition depending on what the sweet spot is for single core turbo overclocks.
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Single core turbo on a 64 banger is going to be around 800MHz (maintain 105W TDP).
 
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IdiotInCharge said:
But those boards have to be built with the CPU in mind, and the CPU has to be built with the boards in mind.
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I think one could argue that the Threadripper platform hits this definition to a T.

There is definitely a lot of engineering that went into that socket. I just wonder how over engineered they really made it.
 
Well more are nice, but i will not go under the 4 ghz i run my TR at now, and really i don't think thats too much to ask.
And i assume with more cores wedged in under my massive cobber Heatkiller block i will be fine if some fort of inherent power management have been in play, and i assume new TR CPUs will be 7nm so should be good once i upgrade my radiator from dual 120 mm to triple or quad 120 mm or larger.
 
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There is definitely a lot of engineering that went into that socket.
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Well, it's the Epyc 2P socket, with less memory channels and external links... so it should be pretty well engineered, as we'd expect for a server platform.

The challenge is that high clockspeeds aren't a thing for nearly all servers vs. consumer uses. You'd generally also use fewer cores for something that craves higher clockspeeds as a tradeoff simply because applications tend to favor one over the other, and trying to get both in the same socket would usually cost more than just building another system.

Now, I'd bet that there'll still be plenty to wring out for enthusiasts given the delta in desired / required stability margins, but we're probably not going to see them clocking as high as the AM4 parts.

Or maybe I'm wrong, and we'll see 800W in the socket :D
 
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Well, it's the Epyc 2P socket, with less memory channels and external links... so it should be pretty well engineered, as we'd expect for a server platform.

The challenge is that high clockspeeds aren't a thing for nearly all servers vs. consumer uses. You'd generally also use fewer cores for something that craves higher clockspeeds as a tradeoff simply because applications tend to favor one over the other, and trying to get both in the same socket would usually cost more than just building another system.

Now, I'd bet that there'll still be plenty to wring out for enthusiasts given the delta in desired / required stability margins, but we're probably not going to see them clocking as high as the AM4 parts.

Or maybe I'm wrong, and we'll see 800W in the socket :D
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Yeah, dedicated 10k psu for the cpu, please! :D
 
If they do what they did last time and cherry pick the bins, the clocks should end up just fine. That being said, no idea what the sustained all-core clocks will end up looking like.
 
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I do:

Not fast enough, because this is [H] ;)
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In my parallel, fantasy universe, Kyle un-retires for one last [H] video review, de-lids a 64-Cylinder Threadripper with a skateboard and fire extinguisher and then turns and stares deep into the camera with a kind of animal sense of who has the power.
 
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I'm going to buy it, since it doesn't make sense to throw away the old CPU, I'll have to build another system with it I suppose. My biggest concern is DDR prices, but I suppose I can run both with my existing ram until they come back to reasonable levels

64 Cores! Think of what task manager will look like, lul
 
DeathFromBelow said:
I wonder how much money Intel has spent buying off tech 'journalism' for the last several years and how it compares to AMD's total budget.
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In the future probably however have they needed to do this in the past few years? I mean on the mainstream Intel has only lost its lead for about 3 months twice in the 13+ years. On the HEDT platform and server platforms you have a point the last few years have not been great (although server/ enterprise even having a better product does not mean that customers will rush to switch vendors - it will take time). On anything mobile AMD is not competitive except on the low end where ARM is great.
 
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In the future probably however have they needed to do this in the past few years? I mean on the mainstream Intel has only lost its lead for about 3 months twice in the 13+ years. On the HEDT platform and server platforms you have a point the last few years have not been great (although server/ enterprise even having a better product does not mean that customers will rush to switch vendors - it will take time). On anything mobile AMD is not competitive except on the low end where ARM is great.
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If you don't do any at all people will be uncomfortable when you suddenly start again in an unfavorable situation. Better to continue regardless, even if it's not much.

That said, I don't think Intel "buys" anyone. I don't doubt that they offer very nice incentives, however.
 
in the consumer and even work station market i don't see a point for the processor but for the sake of saying eff you to intel is so worth seeing them release this and also watch it completely destroy all the multi-threaded performance records.
 
Anyone that shoots action cam footage and exports to h265 can take advantage of it, h265 encoding is slooooowwww unless you offload it to a 2080ti with nvenc.
 
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