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60Hz IPS vs. 120Hz TN
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This is really the wrong place to ask that. Every one is going to tell you IPS because of the viewing angles.
Obviously 120hz is preferable for gaming. You get much smoother motion and don't have to enable Vsync (which adds lag) to avoid screen tearing.
Here is a direct comparison between the Asus VG236H and LG's newest IPS
http://www.digitalversus.com/duels.php?ty=6&ma1=150&mo1=749&p1=8913&ma2=35&mo2=827&p2=10200&ph=1
Obviously 120hz is preferable for gaming. You get much smoother motion and don't have to enable Vsync (which adds lag) to avoid screen tearing.
Here is a direct comparison between the Asus VG236H and LG's newest IPS
http://www.digitalversus.com/duels.php?ty=6&ma1=150&mo1=749&p1=8913&ma2=35&mo2=827&p2=10200&ph=1
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that's entirely subjective.
it's depends on what you're willing to live with and what you're not. The obvious advantages of most IPS panels are the better black levels, contrast ratios and more uniform back-lighting (and next to no vertical color shifting).
I use my 120hz for gaming, but for some things, it's less than optimal. Watching dark movies on it can be painful, due to color shift and the piss poor contrast (I use my IPS for that anyway). I was able to fix it to an acceptable level by adjusting some settings in the nvidia CP, but it's still not great.
Aliens vs Predator and Riddick, for example, can be tough to play because they're set in very dark environments. To fix it, you'll have to adjust the gamma... blacks become a dark grey and so on.
With all that said, there is NO lcd that can give you the kind of smoothness that a 120hz offers. It's just a joy to play games on. Next to a good mouse, it's probably helped the most with improving my K;D ratio in online FPS games.
I'm using an old viewsonic 120hz though, so I'm sure there are better ones available now, I just don't have any experience with them. If you're hardcore into multiplayer FPS games (or any fast paced game for that matter), I would highly suggest one
edit: and I almost forgot to add, you WONT see any improvement from a 120hz monitor unless you have the graphical horsepower to run your games close to or above 120 FPS. If you're only getting 55fps in most games, its not going to make a difference if you have a 60hz or a 120hz
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I'd take the 120hz. I've used TN 60hz, IPS, and MVA and none of them can touch a CRT for gaming. Maybe a 120hz TN wouldn't suck. And unless the "screen door effect" problem with IPS panels has been fixed, I could never recommend one. I noticed that so bad on a 20". Worse than my 32" TV at the same viewing distance.
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Get one of each, job done.
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Of course you would say that. This is the display sub forum on a hardware site , where else would someone pose such a question?
If you game a whole bunch a 120hz TN panel will be superior for obvious reasons if you don't game much or just casually then a 60hz IPS panel would be superior for obvious reasons.
I mean all you need to do is search a little on this sub forum and you can make up your mind pretty fast on what'll work for you.
I agree.. I would say that it would be a pretty fair assessment that if you game a lot get the 120hz (especially fast pace gaming like FPS) and if you dont (or play slower paced games..WoW etc) the the 60hz IPS would offer more benefits.
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I went with the 60 Hz IPS panel and thats from a gamer. My eyes arent very good so I cant see a difference in anything over 60 Hz so Id rather have the superior image quality.
I know lag was an issue with IPS but Im hearing more and more gamers using them and not having any issues.
I know lag was an issue with IPS but Im hearing more and more gamers using them and not having any issues.
I've got an Asus VH236H...it's only a 60Hz TN panel, and its desktop use is a bit meh, but for gaming, it's one hell of a monitor. You'd be hard-pressed to find a better monitor for gaming that's under $200, and its viewing angles aren't half-bad (again, for a TN.) Obviously, if you have money to spend, you can do better, but if you're looking for something a bit less expensive, I'd suggest going with that.
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As the market sits I will keep my HP 30" @ 60hz. I plan on replacing it when a 120hz 30" market arrives on the market, but I just couldn't step down to a 23" monitor just because of the 120hz factor
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Lag or input latency use to be an issue with IPS panels but many of the newer ones have very respectable low numbers.
If your talking about the screen latency of pixels changing states then TN and IPS panels do this differently from each other. TN panels are faster at grey to grey transitions but IPS panels have better overall transitions , TN panels take the advantage only when 120hz panels come into play otherwise you would have to be quite picky to see a massive difference between 60hz TN panels and newer 60hz IPS panels.
But even at 55 fps, won't the 120Hz monitor have less blurring than the 60Hz monitor?
Compared to a fast 60Hz panel, it shouldn't, at least that's how I see it.
Most of the 120hz panels are quite a bit faster then the fastest TN's, and much faster than any IPS/VA screen.
And no you don't need to be running @120fps to notice the difference. There will be color streaking or corona effect preset (halos around moving objects) in all content.
Even desktop usage (moving the mouse) shows far less ghosting. The fastest 60hz displays (Samsung PX2370) has mouse ghosting vs a 120hz display (except the BenQ display which sucks).
DV has measure the frames of ghosting
120hz 2233rz
http://www.digitalversus.com/samsung-syncmaster-2233rz-p357_4495_36.html
60hz PX2370
http://www.digitalversus.com/samsung-syncmaster-px2370-p357_8191_36.html
I have owned both and found that the PX2370 still had some streaking issues during dark games which were non-existent on the 2233rz which isn't even the fastest 120hz panel.
But as others have stated the main bonus is not having to use Vsync which can add a lot of lag.
I maybe wrong (hopefully some one can clarify this) but lets say tripple buffered vsync adds 30ms of in put lag. If your monitor is allready lagging by 15ms you have 45ms of input lag. 30ms is the border line of acceptability but sitll hinders performance. If you don't notice screen tearing then don't bother, personally it drives me nuts. Sense I have a fast machine I get over 60fps in almost every game=tearing galore.
And no you don't need to be running @120fps to notice the difference. There will be color streaking or corona effect preset (halos around moving objects) in all content.
Even desktop usage (moving the mouse) shows far less ghosting. The fastest 60hz displays (Samsung PX2370) has mouse ghosting vs a 120hz display (except the BenQ display which sucks).
DV has measure the frames of ghosting
120hz 2233rz
http://www.digitalversus.com/samsung-syncmaster-2233rz-p357_4495_36.html
60hz PX2370
http://www.digitalversus.com/samsung-syncmaster-px2370-p357_8191_36.html
I have owned both and found that the PX2370 still had some streaking issues during dark games which were non-existent on the 2233rz which isn't even the fastest 120hz panel.
But as others have stated the main bonus is not having to use Vsync which can add a lot of lag.
I maybe wrong (hopefully some one can clarify this) but lets say tripple buffered vsync adds 30ms of in put lag. If your monitor is allready lagging by 15ms you have 45ms of input lag. 30ms is the border line of acceptability but sitll hinders performance. If you don't notice screen tearing then don't bother, personally it drives me nuts. Sense I have a fast machine I get over 60fps in almost every game=tearing galore.
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I voted (with my wallet) for both. I bit on a recent sale and have an AW2310 on the way, which will compliment a 24" IPS in portrait mode in my home setup.
The truth is both have mutually exclusive traits, and while I'm sure at some point there will be a do-everything solution, it just doesn't exist today. Pick the one you want most now, and add to it later - multi-screen setups are awesome, I've been using one for ~8 years now.
The truth is both have mutually exclusive traits, and while I'm sure at some point there will be a do-everything solution, it just doesn't exist today. Pick the one you want most now, and add to it later - multi-screen setups are awesome, I've been using one for ~8 years now.
Id say it depends on the games, since fps wasn't specifically mentioned by the op, I would go with ips. For games like wow and starcraft, tn really offers no benefit over ips. I can deal with motion blur, crappy tn panels bother me when I play a game for it's visuals and the colors are all shifted around the edges.