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5090 in stock and it looks like it is staying in stock

Some are taking things a little too personal here it seems. Yeah this generation is about MFG and AI and yes some people do and don't like it, but hey who really cares to be honest. It's about gaming and enjoying the hobby which is why we're all here right?
 
So, I ran a "raster only" benchmark for everyone with no FG (RT is on though, but this is basic RT based on when this game released), SOTTR, also seeing close to 35% (33.33% here to be exact) gains still... 5090 vs. 4090, DLAA Transformer Model forced via NVAPP on both runs. 4K, max settings. Only difference was 2 weeks ago I was on a different driver for my 4090. Enjoy.

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Performance improvements are good but I don't like 5090 price, power consumption and that you cannot just in case install very old driver from the good old times Nvidia knew how to make drivers. These days even my 4090 will not be truly stable with new drivers even if I might not even restart my computer after reinstalling older pre-blackwell driver and issues seems magically gone and I can even OC card much more. On new drivers things work worse, are unstable and the same OC settings might crash the whole system. Changes from driver to driver.

Once Nvidia sorts this out and/or I'll be able to grab cheaper second hand card I'll definitely give 5090 a go. Looks like maybe not really impressive but still solid upgrade over 4090
 
XoR_ said:
Performance improvements are good but I don't like 5090 price, power consumption and that you cannot just in case install very old driver from the good old times Nvidia knew how to make drivers. These days even my 4090 will not be truly stable with new drivers even if I might not even restart my computer after reinstalling older pre-blackwell driver and issues seems magically gone and I can even OC card much more. On new drivers things work worse, are unstable and the same OC settings might crash the whole system. Changes from driver to driver.

Once Nvidia sorts this out and/or I'll be able to grab cheaper second hand card I'll definitely give 5090 a go. Looks like maybe not really impressive but still solid upgrade over 4090
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I’ve had zero issues with NVIDIA drivers in the past month - try again if you haven’t upgraded to the latest. They were really bad for me, too.
 
XoR_ said:
Performance improvements are good but I don't like 5090 price, power consumption and that you cannot just in case install very old driver from the good old times Nvidia knew how to make drivers. These days even my 4090 will not be truly stable with new drivers even if I might not even restart my computer after reinstalling older pre-blackwell driver and issues seems magically gone and I can even OC card much more. On new drivers things work worse, are unstable and the same OC settings might crash the whole system. Changes from driver to driver.

Once Nvidia sorts this out and/or I'll be able to grab cheaper second hand card I'll definitely give 5090 a go. Looks like maybe not really impressive but still solid upgrade over 4090
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The 5090 FE is a really impressive card even at the $2k price, just kinda nuts that the power situation is a bit of a mess. 600w to that single connection seems like an engineering compromise or oversight. Would it have really been that big a production problem if they added an 8 pin to the board for some headroom?

That being said the rumored 18gb 5070 super and 24gb 5080 supers will end up being the sweet spots of this gen. That is if they release FE versions that can stay in stock. $650 for a 18gb 5070 super and $1300 for a 5080 super are not unreasonable for either buyer or seller.
 
Honestly, every game that i used FG on with my 4090, I'm now using MFG 3X (sometimes 4X) with my 5090 when needed. If it is smooth with 2X (normal FG), its smooth with 3X and 4X. Im actually really starting to enjoy this card. The price is absolutely stupid, I agree, but the additional performance on all fronts plus MFG is really nice. Every game I can max out at 4K, and keep the FPS locked at my monitors refresh rate with no noticeable latency penalty.
 
yinzerniner said:
The 5090 FE is a really impressive card even at the $2k price, just kinda nuts that the power situation is a bit of a mess. 600w to that single connection seems like an engineering compromise or oversight. Would it have really been that big a production problem if they added an 8 pin to the board for some headroom?

That being said the rumored 18gb 5070 super and 24gb 5080 supers will end up being the sweet spots of this gen. That is if they release FE versions that can stay in stock. $650 for a 18gb 5070 super and $1300 for a 5080 super are not unreasonable for either buyer or seller.
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When is that 5070 supposed to be out?
 
sk3tch said:
They’re tanks. My +301MHz core OC just works.
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Indeed. Although for ALL GAME stability, I have lowered mine to +285Mhz on the core, it would sometimes spike high enough in a game to crash any higher, even though I could play other games for hours or benchmark endlessly. So far, this has caused no issues.

Maxed out at +2000Mhz on the GDDR7 though, there is a ton of headroom on theee cards, at least the AIB ones that do not suffer the FE's cooling situation.
 
"Coil Whine" can come from one thing or many combined to create it. My 4090 Suprim had it when I had it in my 5950X PC, when I built my new 9950X3D PC, thus new power supply as well (ATX 3.1), it magically had 0 coil whine finally. So I'm not surprised my 5090 now has no coil whine. I think alot of times it is related to the power supply and combination of all components which allows it to manifest worse than it should.
 
No coil whine on my Asus ROG Astral 5090 either, at least not that I've noticed. I do have my rig on the floor though, and if PSU makes a difference I'm running an ATX 3.0 Seasonic Prime TX-1600.
 
I have no coil whine on my Gainward 5090 GS.

As for MFG I tried 4X in Star Wars Outlaws and the lag was quite noticeable so I went back to 2X. That game with 2X and DLSS Q still does only 120 fps in 4K with dips to 60 fps when ship lands on a planet
 
pippenainteasy said:
Do the Suprim fans still make a scratching/high pitched hissing sound at low rpms like they used in the 30 series?
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Negative. I also did not have that problem on my Suprim 4090 either. Didn't know that was a thing, but I was eVGA prior to MSI, so my first use of MSI was the 4090.
 
I don't understand how people can be satisfied with MFG. The input delay and artifacts are just way too jarring for me, I've turned the 4x back off almost immediately every time I've tried it. I would literally rather just run at 40 FPS with G Sync on.
 
StoleMyOwnCar said:
I don't understand how people can be satisfied with MFG. The input delay and artifacts are just way too jarring for me, I've turned the 4x back off almost immediately every time I've tried it. I would literally rather just run at 40 FPS with G Sync on.
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I haven't tried out MFG on my 5070 Ti yet, but from what I've seen on other people's rigs the 2x mode is actually not bad image quality and responsiveness. However I wonder if the 2x time has really improved with MFG over the previous integration, as the 3x and 4x are pretty gimmicky / cheating by Nvidia to claim huge performance gains.
 
AFAIK the amount of gen does not actually matter for the delay. It seems (?) to be static. Every time I have tried it in the past, the delay was simply immediately noticeable and likewise I turned it off immediately, regardless of what setting.
 
yinzerniner said:
I haven't tried out MFG on my 5070 Ti yet, but from what I've seen on other people's rigs the 2x mode is actually not bad image quality and responsiveness. However I wonder if the 2x time has really improved with MFG over the previous integration, as the 3x and 4x are pretty gimmicky / cheating by Nvidia to claim huge performance gains.
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To start, all games mentioned below, including MP for me are MAX settings, full RT (if they have it) and 4K resolution with DLAA (not DLSS).

I now use FG 2X in BO6, 3X in Diablo IV, 4X in CP2077... It feels perfectly fine to me. Basically, if you card has at least 50~60 FPS or more without any FG, it will be a smooth experience, but it is not a magic pill if you can't maintain basic FPS without it. If you try to use it with say 30~40 FPS, it will not be the best experience. A good example is Indiana Jones where I need to use DLSS Quality to use MFG for smooth gameplay because with DLAA, the frames are just too low in the jungle maps.

Look at MFG as a way to smooth out frames and bring up your average and max, get rid of CPU bottlenecks (if you have one), and bring up the 1% lows for an all-around better gaming experience.

I was not a believer either, I used just FG on my 4090 in some games, but after snagging the 5090, I use MFG in any game where I am unable to max out my monitors refresh rate without it. It's legit just "free" performance with no real penalty. Anyone claiming noticeable input lag simply is unable to maintain the frames required without it.
 
In some games you still get some ugly artifacts with frame gen, but if it's an action game I will usually ignore it as smooth motion is more important to me.
 
Anyone who needs a 5090 rn, can has one by ordering online. Lots of cards in stock at the egg and amazon at a cool reasonable price of 3 Gs.
 
KickAssCop said:
Anyone who needs a 5090 rn, can has one by ordering online. Lots of cards in stock at the egg and amazon at a cool reasonable price of 3 Gs.
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Nahh, hold the line until more AIBs start dropping prices or stock like PNY has at launch pricing. Brand new 5090 has starting showing up at $2600 more recently even at the egg, and have seen open box pop at MC for 2300 more often.

Or if you’re connected to active military get one at below msrp. And thank you for your service.
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-com...0-5080-and-even-5090-spotted-at-navy-exchange
 
I will try to be in an MC next month. Going to nab a card or will try to do the Best Buy trick of ordering one and trying to get it in 8 days that I am in US of A.
 
KickAssCop said:
I will try to be in an MC next month. Going to nab a card or will try to do the Best Buy trick of ordering one and trying to get it in 8 days that I am in US of A.
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Now that that "trick" has been widely shared don't expect it to work. The inventory was so low to begin with that it was probably all gone in 1-2 days.
 
Furious_Styles said:
Now that that "trick" has been widely shared don't expect it to work. The inventory was so low to begin with that it was probably all gone in 1-2 days.
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I already have a 5090. It’s just because I am there it’s worth a shot. If it works ok otherwise nothing lost.
 
My guess is most people who really wanted a 5090 already got one, or went with a 4090 or 5080 instead. People with a moderate interest aren't paying the insane prices.
 
MavericK said:
My guess is most people who really wanted a 5090 already got one, or went with a 4090 or 5080 instead. People with a moderate interest aren't paying the insane prices.
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Agreed. Might take a little while of inventory not moving before prices drop.
 
Side note... i dunno what wizardry nVidia and iD Software did, but in Doom TDA, fully maxed with Path Tracing, 4K, DLAA, my base frames on a 5090 are like 35~45 FPS. I throw on MFG, swing it to 4X, absolutely smooth freaking gaming above 120 FPS. I'm very much impressed with this tech the more I use it. I tested MFG 2X, to mimic my old 4090, and with the 30%~40% uplift the 5090 has, it still felt kinda bad. To me, this MFG feels like the real deal and a great feature.
 
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Side note... i dunno what wizardry nVidia and iD Software did, but in Doom TDA, fully maxed with Path Tracing, 4K, DLAA, my base frames on a 5090 are like 35~45 FPS. I throw on MFG, swing it to 4X, absolutely smooth freaking gaming above 120 FPS. I'm very much impressed with this tech the more I use it. I tested MFG 2X, to mimic my old 4090, and with the 30% uplift the 5090 has, it still felt kinda bad. To me, this MFG feels like the real deal and a great feature.
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I'm not so sure the MFG has anything to do with it. Seems more like DTDA responds like a game from the '90s or early 2000s, back when we considered 30fps playable and games were single threaded. I tried it out on my ARC B580, no framegen, native at 1080p and some XeSS at 1440p, and it felt pretty decent with fps a bit over 60. Better than I'd usually expect from 60Hz. It definitely needs more investigation than my initial impression, but it seems like ID has built a smooth engine with minimal stutters and hiccups. Next up I'll try out the path tracing on my 5090. I mostly bought the Intel ARC B580 because I wanted to play with the weird new cheap thing, and I'm still doing it. I think I might be having more fun testing the cheap Intel card than I do gaming on my 5090. Guess I'm a hardware geek.
 
$2900-3000 5090s have been in stock now for a few weeks with many models.

I have even seen the $2600 models in stock at times with a decent amount of time to buy one

I assume we should have $2200ish models in stock come the fall
 
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