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Except this isn't a gaming benchmark.Comparing a workstation class Xeon to a gaming Ryzen chip... keep up the Apple hate HardOCP...
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Except this isn't a gaming benchmark.Comparing a workstation class Xeon to a gaming Ryzen chip... keep up the Apple hate HardOCP...
Except this isn't a gaming benchmark.
And at the end, whatever the hell the ryzen cpu is compared to the xeon, it got the job done faster and cheaper.And the Ryzen isn't a gaming chip.
And at the end, whatever the hell the ryzen cpu is compared to the xeon, it got the job done faster and cheaper.
Except this isn't a gaming benchmark.
ECC memory?
And?
By all means keep going, how else will Apple defend its massive earnings and cash if not through fans.
At this point apple is almost as lazy as blizzard.
And?
By all means keep going, how else will Apple defend its massive earnings and cash if not through fans.
At this point apple is almost as lazy as blizzard.
I don't think anyone here is trying to love on apple, or even remotely trying to defend over priced server hardware in a trash can.
The point is that the test is fundamentally flawed because they aren't comparing similar hardware.
Comparing a workstation class Xeon to a gaming Ryzen chip... keep up the Apple hate HardOCP...
They compared it though in a business class program, not gaming. Pretty funny when your 8 core business class CPU gets spanked by a regular ass desktop cpu. Nothing wrong with hating on an overpriced inferior product, that people blindly follow because they think it makes them cool.
To me, the Mac Pro is like an old guy in a yellow ferrari with an outdated engine saying "hey guys look at me and how cool I am!, I'm cool right guys?!?"
They're actually completely redesigning the Mac Pro to be modular and fully upgradeable, with NVIDIA announcing a Mac-compatible Titan XP and also stating they're releasing Mac drivers for all the rest of their Pascal cards, which is great for the Hackintosh community (raises hand) as well as possibly hinting at Mac finally getting beefy cards. They apologized for the neglect of the Mac Pro and are promising to make a beefy new system that's capable of getting upgrades instead of the proprietary pile of crap that is the current Mac Pro. But they said it probably will not be released until 2019 and I'm also hesitant to believe a company that neglected their Pro line for nearly 4 years and are only now working to fix it all while still selling their outdated hardware for absurd prices. Time will tell though.I don't mind the trashcan design. They tried something new, it didn't work. New stuff doesn't always work out. So, ok, perfectly fair to point the finger at Apple for that.
Also, perfectly fair to point out that they abandoned the product line. Another very valid concern. And I think a much larger concern than the first.
But I just don't see why Ryzen has anything at all to do with either of those two stories, and honestly imho, just turned some valid criticism into trashy click bait.
A digital house can't afford a BSODs and IT repairs from their systems by trying to save money. The project delay costs more than the hardware itself.
Not seeing the joke.lol, in mac world that is the way of life, downtime.
This is the biggest factor people don't seem to understand ... or even realize.Quadro cards are slower than Geforce cards as well and cost 4x as much.
Desktops will always outpace workstations parts for a fraction of the cost.
But if you need to render a 3D animation for hours/days on end, you will choose workstation parts (PC or Mac) for accuracy and crash proof reliability.
A digital house can't afford a BSODs and IT repairs from their systems by trying to save money. The project delay costs more than the hardware itself.
Quadro cards are slower than Geforce cards as well and cost 4x as much.
Desktops will always outpace workstations parts for a fraction of the cost.
But if you need to render a 3D animation for hours/days on end, you will choose workstation parts (PC or Mac) for accuracy and crash proof reliability.
A digital house can't afford a BSODs and IT repairs from their systems by trying to save money. The project delay costs more than the hardware itself.
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I don't really understand the whole claim that apple designed themselves into a thermal corner. In the last 5 years have CPUs started consuming more power? What about GPUs? Nope the latest generation of of intel and NVidia are more power efficient. The TDP of top end parts has remained largely static for a long time now. Apples claims are simply there to justify them not bothering to upgrade and just selling the same old junk for years. Maybe they even just produced more than they could sell and needed to keep offloading them for years.
I wouldnt count on it. NVIDIA keep pushing CUDA and Appl dont want to know anything about it. Until they get off the CUDA horse, nothing will happen.
Not really sure this is a relevant test. Yes - You can build a consumer platform PC that may be faster then a MacPro - But if you build a PC with a similar Xeon motherboard w/ ECC support and price out two firepros.. The price gap closes fast.
I personally would never buy a MacPro in current form; I don't need workstation GPU's or ECC memory. However, there are some people that want/need this type of hardware and that hardware comes at a cost.
I will say that Apple would be smart to offer a Mac Pro'sumer model that basically is running a standard consumer platform motherboard, CPU, memory, and GPU's. You'd still be paying Apple tax, but at least you could get hardware that is more relevant to most users.
Comparing a workstation class Xeon to a gaming Ryzen chip... keep up the Apple hate HardOCP...
They've already said they are releasing drivers for any pascal based card.
You both seem to be lacking the ability to understand logic by any means don't you. This is a perfectly valid test. Does the higher price of a Mac Pro get you better performance, or in other words is the cost of performance per dollar equal between a Mac and PC. The answer very loudly is no. You can spend less and buy a PC and get a much better solution. Lets say some new car hit the market for $50,000 and there was a comparison of it vs a high end multimillion dollar sports car and it beat it or at worse was equal to it in every area. Lets say the 0-60 was .5 seconds faster in the cheaper car, the top speed was equal, most engine specs were equal. So in the end in a straight race the cheaper car won every time. Would you argue that the test wasn't valid because you are comparing a cheaper car vs a high ends sports car? Or that test isn't valid because the cheaper car doesn't have the name of the higher end car? In the end if the cheaper car is faster then it is faster. The same here. If the cheaper PC can run a program better then it runs it better and does so cheaper. So you can spend more and buy Apple computers and take longer getting stuff done, or you spend less on your hardware and get things done a little faster. Even if in the end both systems broke even on the amount of time to do stuff, you still have the price factor. Which is what companies care about, how can we save time and money, especially because even time is money. So basically you are trying to save money and money.
Even more funny that people think Ryzen would actually replace a Xeon in workstation use. AMD would get laughed out of the building. They cant even get the BIOS's right at launch. Considering it cant run OSX, it was never a competitor in the first place.
Unless Ryzen supports ECC memory, it is not superior to Xeon for workstations, end of story. It is quite an important feature for many things. Just because it doesn't matter to kiddy gamers and fat nerds in their mommas basements masturbating over core counts doesn't make it any less important.
It's a pretty stupid article. Apple admitted issues with the thermal capacity of the Mac Pro and announced that it's being redesigned. It's basically a placeholder at this point, for people that just must have compatibility with OSX apps.
I mean they straight up apologized, which is pretty uncharacteristic of any major company, let alone Apple.
Fanbois like the ones present here are the reason why companies like apple can still rape the rest at checkout time.
Seriously, the same "professional" tool was used in two systems, one cost almost 4 times more and lost.
What the hell does EEC and Quadro and Xeon has to do with the end result?
And lastly, the BS about those specs guarantying stability are just that BS, a well built regular system can also be as stable.
Get your heads out of steve jobs urn.
And mac fans cried, and denounced the truth as lies told by the great pc regime. But the truth was there, and the pc users cared not because they already knew the truth that the followers of jobs were blinded by the shiny Apple and so just finished their work first then went out side and played in the sun, which they desperately needed to get some color back into their skin.
For 3d rendering you do not need the accuracy that a quadro or firepro card will give you, that would be for medical imaging stuff. I also will just say that i just build a animation company a computer with 8 1080s and the only reason they would have gone with something else would be titans because of the ram. The quadro cards are so much more expensive it's not worth it and there is someone there over night anyway with more critical render jobs.
Back to the mac pros though, the firepro cards in a mac pro are VERY competitively priced and even work out to being a steal based on the silicon it is based on but by now it is very dated and still 100% cost as if it was new.
I don't really understand the whole claim that apple designed themselves into a thermal corner. In the last 5 years have CPUs started consuming more power? What about GPUs? Nope the latest generation of of intel and NVidia are more power efficient. The TDP of top end parts has remained largely static for a long time now. Apples claims are simply there to justify them not bothering to upgrade and just selling the same old junk for years. Maybe they even just produced more than they could sell and needed to keep offloading them for years.
The real argument here is why Apple is still selling the damn thing. Yes they dropped the price but it's needs to be discontinued. The only reason why it's not, so they don't piss off the people that did buy it.
Not really sure this is a relevant test. Yes - You can build a consumer platform PC that may be faster then a MacPro - But if you build a PC with a similar Xeon motherboard w/ ECC support and price out two firepros.. The price gap closes fast.
I personally would never buy a MacPro in current form; I don't need workstation GPU's or ECC memory. However, there are some people that want/need this type of hardware and that hardware comes at a cost.
I will say that Apple would be smart to offer a Mac Pro'sumer model that basically is running a standard consumer platform motherboard, CPU, memory, and GPU's. You'd still be paying Apple tax, but at least you could get hardware that is more relevant to most users.