42" OLED MASTER THREAD

criccio said:
You've got your data wrong. They're just TV's, not repackaged anything and in the case of the latest from say LG, they're not "five generation old panels". One, at most, given the latest LG C4 42" doesn't have the new RGWB sub-pixel layout.

Anything sold as a "monitor" at this size is always going to be super niche. Gigabyte and Asus had a couple and at this point, yeah, pretty old. A C4 is the best you can do today.
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The LG panel doesn't have MLA on smaller sizes, from what I understand?
 
KazeoHin said:
The LG panel doesn't have MLA on smaller sizes, from what I understand?
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G4 and M4 and up only, unfortunately, which don't come in 42".

Honestly we've got it pretty good unless you have this need for more than 144Hz in a big 4K panel. I personally don't see the attraction. A year and a half with a 4090 even at 4K it feels silly to bother with anything 120Hz (on my C2). Games that would benefit from more I'd probably want a smaller display.

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criccio said:
G4 and M4 and up only, unfortunately, which don't come in 42".

Honestly we've got it pretty good unless you have this need for more than 144Hz in a big 4K panel. I personally don't see the attraction. A year and a half with a 4090 even at 4K it feels silly to bother with anything 120Hz (on my C2). Games that would benefit from more I'd probably want a smaller display.

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Nice to see that the C4 has a heatsink+144hz. I thought it was stuck at 120 with nothing to combat burn in. Going in the right direction.
 
criccio said:
G4 and M4 and up only, unfortunately, which don't come in 42".

Honestly we've got it pretty good unless you have this need for more than 144Hz in a big 4K panel. I personally don't see the attraction. A year and a half with a 4090 even at 4K it feels silly to bother with anything 120Hz (on my C2). Games that would benefit from more I'd probably want a smaller display.

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I wish they wouldn't have such differences on different sizes even within a product line, or not offer features at the sizes desired. Restricting the newer panels to G4 and above, yet not offering them in 48" much less 42" is frustrating. This, combined with the aforementioned brightness limitations in game mode and other "subtle" but potentially important features having issues is disappointing, taking a bit of the shine off what is otherwise an excellent product. When LG's OLEDs were some of the only ones out there for proper use as PC monitor for gaming and all around use, as they were a few years ago, it was easier to overlook. However, with thankfully increasing options on the market, LG cannot afford to rest on their laurels, overprice, or make decisions that undermine the experience without causing some users to reconsider.

The past few years with my 48" CX (now relegated to a bedroom TV which, thanks to theFiOS TV boxes 'off' mode of static images of which I was unaware, acquired some burn-in where there had been none before serving as a monitor) and 42" C2 (current primary monitor, no burn in noticed) have overall been very pleasing. There are some minor annoyances such as the lack of DisplayPort in favor exclusively of HDMI (if I ever switched to an AMD GPU on Linux, I'd need an active converter because the HDMI Forum, being bastards, decided not to allow FOSS drivers to support HDMI 2.1 or newer, so the TV would run in 2.0 mode only, sacrificing one or more of 4K, 120hz, VRR, HDR, 4:4:4 colorspace ec... without a converter. FOr the moment my primary GPU is a 3090 so this isn't an issue, but I still wish that the newer LGs would offer at least 1 newest variant DisplayPort) but overall its been a smooth experience with many benefits of OLED. However, if I was to purchase an upgrade or replacement I'd be looking at other alternatives as well and I hope that LG keeps actively moving forward to bring their products to the top of the pile, rather than getting complacent or otherwise making errors.
 
KazeoHin said:
Are any 42" OLED models on the horizon looking to support 200+Hz? I have a 43 inch IPS now, but it's 120Hz... When I upgrade to OLED I want to make sure it's at least 200, but all the 40+ inch screens seem to be repackaged TV screens sporting give-generation-old panels...
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I know where you are coming from asking that.

To me, some more nits and maybe a little more sustained nits for OLED is nice for a new purchase, but they still will suffer ABL (as do some very bright FALD LED-LCD screens). In my opinion, as long as gaming tvs remain 120Hz 4k instead of 240Hz 4k they are falling behind gaming monitors, they won't be enough of an upgrade from 120Hz screens of the last several years until they hit 240Hz 4k.

As far as I know, the only 240Hz 4k capable gaming tv (using DSC and the tv's "regular" non-AI upscaling to 8k) is the extremely expensive and large 65" samsung 900D 8k screen. However, to get normal pc viewing angles (e.g. 60 to 50 degree viewing width) you'd have to sit around 4' away from it and while it's specs are "high", it underperforms much less expensive 4k 120hz gaming tvs, (OLEDs but even FALD LCDs) in several facets like contrast, peak nit HDR and SDR, response time from black transitions trailing black, and FALD lack of uniformity due to zone count vs OLEDs and lack OLED's uniformly "infinite" black depth at the pixel level.

Hopefully 240Hz 4k gaming tvs will be a thing in the long run, but OLED usually lags behind FALD LCDs in the Hz department considerably. There are some 32" 4k OLED gaming monitors now, and the G95NC 57" 4k+4k 5760x2160 super-ultrawide FALD - but in the case of OLED "monitors" as opposed to OLED "gaming TVs", they tend to have lower peak brightness, probably because they know people are going to abuse them more using them for static desktop/apps part of the time rather than dedicating them to dynamic media and gaming more fully.
 
Samsung seems to be pushing refresh rates on their TVs with even first QD-OLED generation doing 144Hz wich is above what TV standards define.
If they could do 240K 4K on 8K VA it is very likely we will get 240Hz QD-OLED pretty soon rather than 'years'.

It is really just a matter of making bigger 240Hz panel.
Also with 240Hz - I do hope they also enable 120Hz BFI.
 
Beyond 144hz is unlikely as that market primarily caters to consoles. Check back when they are outputting 4K 240hz.
 
criccio said:
Beyond 144hz is unlikely as that market primarily caters to consoles. Check back when they are outputting 4K 240hz.
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There are niche (and expensive) tv-like products like the 55" 1000R samsung ark though, which did 165Hz 4k for example, and the 65" 8k (4k 240Hz) 900D. So there might be a few outliers. Those all being FALD to date though, along with the 57" 7680x2160 "4k+4k" G95NC FALD 240hz capable super-ultrawide (and the 49" 1440 High OLED uw version at 240Hz but its x1440 so not in the same class as 4k+ 240Hz imo).
 
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criccio said:
Beyond 144hz is unlikely as that market primarily caters to consoles. Check back when they are outputting 4K 240hz.
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That may be true, but they need something for next's year models. Many people still holding onto their CX's and C1's due to lack of technological advancements.
 
XoR_ said:
Also with 240Hz - I do hope they also enable 120Hz BFI.
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At a minimum.

We still need manufacturers to step up and give comprehensive BFI capability. Where it works at more than one or two refresh rates, and works as a quick rolling strobe, with 1-2ms persistence, instead of 4ms-on, 4ms-off like it is on these 240hz models. Maybe making that strobe length adjustable for different HDR luminance targets
 
zehoo said:
https://www.guru3d.com/story/updated-2024-oled-monitor-roadmap-revealed-in-reddit-ama/

Next year according to that roadmap. Whether that is panel production or having a final product I’m unsure.
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Interesting: RGB OLED (Red-Green-Blue OLED) from JOLED
Potentially classic RGB OLEDs with different emitters should be the best for image quality.
Light spectrum of raw color OLED emitters should be just like QD-OLED - very narrow peaks. Unlike QD-OLED there is no need for lick picking quantum dot layer so like WOLEDs it should be possible to make black screen.
WOLED doesn't have this issue with panel picking light but its light spectrum is pretty mediocre. Definitely not something I expected from OLEDs in the past. QD-OLED on the other hand is.

RGB OLED though - should be exactly what I expected. Wonder when we will start seeing it in some useful products - like gaming monitors :)

tongshadow said:
That may be true, but they need something for next's year models. Many people still holding onto their CX's and C1's due to lack of technological advancements.
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If that was discussion year ago and about 8K VA LCDs I would told you it is extremely unlikely Samsung will make TV with 4K at 240Hz and yet it did happen with QN900D.
QD-OLED with such capabilities will make much more sense - and given popularity of OLEDs with gamers it makes perfect sense to give gamers reason to pick their products.

Enhanced Interrogator said:
We still need manufacturers to step up and give comprehensive BFI capability. Where it works at more than one or two refresh rates, and works as a quick rolling strobe, with 1-2ms persistence, instead of 4ms-on, 4ms-off like it is on these 240hz models. Maybe making that strobe length adjustable for different HDR luminance targets
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The (un)fun thing about rolling strobing is that all you need to do is to blank lines after specific time e.g. 1ms after they were drawn.
Not sure how lines in panels are addressed - might be there is just reset signal and lines go one by one from top to bottom so in this case control signals would need to be enhanced. Technically it shouldn't be any issue when designing panel.
Then you could just pump HDR-like brightness and because you don't need to buffer anything and display it immediately such solution unlike classic BFI would not add any input lag.

Normal BFI should be something that GPUs do as in this case input lag would be better. Comparing 120Hz BFI done by panel to virtual 120Hz BFI done by GPU using 240Hz the former needs to buffer half of the frame (~4.16ms wait time) before drawing anything for ~6ms average lag from the moment frame is ready in the framebuffer. Latter can push whole frame in ~4.16ms and ~2ms average lag. All lag values double at 60Hz.
 
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I use a 32" woled now since others use this PC sometimes and it needs to be more "office" friendly. But I will admit the 42C2 I had was probably my favorite overall display and I think I've tried almost every major release. 42C4 is probably amaaazing. Wish I had room for both.
 
zehoo said:
https://www.guru3d.com/story/updated-2024-oled-monitor-roadmap-revealed-in-reddit-ama/

Next year according to that roadmap. Whether that is panel production or having a final product I’m unsure.
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This is no longer accurate. This 42" 16:9 240hz panel was going to manufactured by LG but TFT central put out an updated roadmap video saying that all information about it was that it has since been cancelled.
Trust me I know, I was saving up as it was going to be my next monitor, but was crushed to find out it was cancelled. I haven't heard anything about a 42" 16:9 240hz panel from either LG or Samsung.
 
Yeah the LG C series are top notch. For pc gaming they just hit the mark. They are the best imo. I play multiplayer games and have 0 issues.

Won't ever go back to junky lcds again!
 
Zahua said:
Screw it, went to a 42C4. God I love this thing.
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I did love the LG C2 42 inch that I had until late last year. The only reason I sold it is because it was to tall for me, my desk was just not deep enough.
 
Are there any rumors of smaller OLED TVs like 40", or 40" monitors?
42 is fine, but I have 48CX and could upgrade to 40". anything smaller is too small :)
 
KazeoHin said:
Are any 42" OLED models on the horizon looking to support 200+Hz? I have a 43 inch IPS now, but it's 120Hz... When I upgrade to OLED I want to make sure it's at least 200, but all the 40+ inch screens seem to be repackaged TV screens sporting give-generation-old panels...
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Why do you need 200Hz?
 
XoR_ said:
Interesting: RGB OLED (Red-Green-Blue OLED) from JOLED
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RGB OLED though - should be exactly what I expected. Wonder when we will start seeing it in some useful products - like gaming monitors :)
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In March of 2023, the company ("JOLED") filed for bankruptcy with $250m in liabilities.
 
My AW3418DW ultrawide just seemingly died. Been wanting a 42" OLED for a while now, but I would prefer to use DP and be curved too. This Asus seems about perfect besides no curve. So are the best options this or a LG C4?

ASUS ROG Swift PG42UQ 42-inch UHD OLED 138 Hz 0.1 ms Gaming Monitor Bundle with Custom Heatsink, DisplayPort, HDMI, USB Hub, Integrated Speakers, Desk Mount Monitor Stand https://a.co/d/fE0rpgk
 
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I just got an LG C4 42". It claims 144hz update but win11 only allows me to select 120hz. I suppose both my hdmi cable and my gpu could be a limitation here. What gpu would I need for this?
 
Roen said:
In March of 2023, the company ("JOLED") filed for bankruptcy with $250m in liabilities.
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It’s a good thing LG Display hits a dead-end with W-OLED and plan to retire it for IJP RGB-OLED either next year or 2026.

We were supposed to get this traditional OLED with Dell UP3017Q since 2017 instead of having no choice but WRGB since 2012.
 
KazeoHin said:
Are any 42" OLED models on the horizon looking to support 200+Hz? I have a 43 inch IPS now, but it's 120Hz... When I upgrade to OLED I want to make sure it's at least 200, but all the 40+ inch screens seem to be repackaged TV screens sporting give-generation-old panels...
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Not at 4k yet, but I had to order this 240hz 45" LG OLED UW since my monitor just died and I needed a replacement now.

I think I would prefer a 4k 16:9 42" OLED monitor for better productivity when I'm WFH, but for that size I really want a curved display and that doesn't exist yet it seems. I'm coming from a 120Hz display and don't expect I'll appreciate the difference to 240Hz as much as I did from 60Hz, since it's not really a linear scale (well it is, but not sure how else to describe it) in terms of milliseconds between frames. 120Hz vs 240Hz is only a ~4ms difference between frames, whereas it's a ~8ms difference from 60Hz to 120Hz. I'm sure it'll be noticeable, but not nearly as impactful. Jumping to a 400+ Hz display would prolly be more appreciative, but also virtually impossible to run at for any newer titles on any GPU. IMO the sweet spot is 4k/120Hz now unless you play older/competitive games a lot.
 
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phinix said:
So you cant answer a question, call it silly and response with answer with no reasonable context. Dumbass...
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While I don't appreciate the insult, I stand by that it's a silly question

Nobody NEEDs a fancy 200Hz OLED 4K monitor. Thats like saying "why do you need a Ferrari?" it's a silly question. Nobody needs a Ferrari. Not one person on earth actually requires one.

I need food, shelter, life purpose, air, companionship..

I don't NEED a fancy monitor. I want it.
 
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