Get it from your favorite YouTuber. TLDR it is a monster in Ras and DLSS performance.
The reason the 3080/3090 was so popular was because you could make money with them via crypto mining. Since crypto has crashed, the only people that want these cards are gamers and some content creators. Since the carrot of the card paying for itself is no longer dangling in front of us, scalpers can grab these at their own peril. They may sell one or 2 if they're lucky, but more than likely, they will just be sitting on them and eventually have to sell them at or below MSRP to get rid of them.Are these 4000series actually going to hit shelves, or is it bots for the next eight months while the FOMO's pay 100% MSRP?
Yeah, miss his review here.Thanks for posting that. I forgot about them! The dlss 3 page on there is eye opening...
I've had my LG CX OLED and used 4K120 for a couple of years now... I will never go back to 1440p.one thing the 4090 does is actually make me want to upgrade my monitor from 1440p to 4K...before 1440p was the sweet spot as 4K was still too performance limited maxed out...I never had any interest in gaming at 4K for that reason as maxing things out was always important to me...the 4090 actually might make 4K gaming the new sweet spot
This is something that never made any sense to me. It was a high performance part. Performance isn't free. It has to come from somewhere.The 3090 Ti was ridiculed and knocked because of it's crazy power draw.
Actually, it is. Managing to achieve more performance for the same power cost is a good thing.So the RTX-4090 being similar is not a good thing.
This is a very common misconception. Allow me to dispel it. This never has been the case. CPU and GPU power consumption has done nothing but increase over the last two decades. Today's GPU's consume far more power than the GeForce 2 GTS 64MB cards of yesteryear or even the venerable 8800GTX. Today's CPU's are orders of magnitude more powerful than what was considered high performance 25 years ago. They also consume far more power. In the 1990's, motherboards didn't have VRM's capable of hundreds of watts of power output.I thought hardware was supposed to progress to smaller and more efficient and still have faster performance.
Who would buy it? What purpose would it serve?
Yeah I don't see much of a scalper market this time around with crypto out of the picture, you may see a couple of FOMO purchases on Ebay in the next 2-3 weeks for those that missed initial drop but it does sound like supply is good (rumors have it Nvidia has been stockpiling these since June and only waited to clear Ampere inventory).The reason the 3080/3090 was so popular was because you could make money with them via crypto mining. Since crypto has crashed, the only people that want these cards are gamers and some content creators. Since the carrot of the card paying for itself is no longer dangling in front of us, scalpers can grab these at their own peril. They may sell one or 2 if they're lucky, but more than likely, they will just be sitting on them and eventually have to sell them at or below MSRP to get rid of them.
Also, a looming recession puts the 4090 deep into "luxury goods" territory. Nobody needs one for competitive gaming; this is strictly for eye-candy. Add to the fact that this card is so fast that you really need a 4K120 display to take advantage of it... unless you have one, the 4090 isn't going to seem much faster than the 3090. Even 1440p seems to be pretty CPU limited on this GPU.
Completely different economic scenario compared to the RTX 3080/3090 launch.
I suspect they'll last on shelves a long while. Not many folks spend that kind of cheddar on GPUs. At least now that they can't make any money with them.FPS review was the first one I found this morning. My schedule tomorrow doesn't allow any computer time during the release (seems to happen to me every time LOL). With all these glowing reviews it will be interesting to see how long stock lasts. Will make for perhaps amusing reading when I arrive home.
There are going to be LOTS of these in NA. There is more inventory for this product than almost any card I have ever seen launched in NA at any price. I guess NV was betting that Ethereum POS would be pushed off again. Watching inventories will be interesting.I suspect they'll last on shelves a long while. Not many folks spend that kind of cheddar on GPUs. At least now that they can't make any money with them.
Curious the scalper market on these new cards. If stock is plentiful, or at least only back-ordered a couple weeks and replenished, then the scalper market will be non-existent, which is great.
And people looking for an "affordable" card can pick up a 3080 Ti for a good price, probably like $600.
It will be interesting for sure. This is the first time where 1440p is not being maxed out on a GPU. Potential 4090 buyers going to be disappointed that they can't max out their GPU.overall only a tiny fraction of people even game at 4K and these cards make no sense at 1080p or 1440p...I can't see these flying off the shelves
Nvidia just kicked the high refresh rate 4K market into gear.
45 percent faster at 4k, no raytracing or dlss. (100 divided by 69 relative = 45 percent faster than the 3090ti). Same power draw too.
No kidding. Not entirely sure where they keep getting "30%" from. The hardware unboxing video (second one posted) shows 50% or more in 4k, and it's without "software trickery".
depends on what/who youre look in at...producing 30% @ 1440p
Sure, if you have $1600-2000 to blow on a GPU.
Nice card, exorbitant price.
Gamer math as always. They see the 3090ti at 70% while the 4090 is at 100%. Public education tells them that this is a 30% increase instead of 43%.No kidding. Not entirely sure where they keep getting "30%" from. The hardware unboxing video (second one posted) shows 50% or more in 4k, and it's without "software trickery".
If your a 4k gamer, then the 4090 makes sense, and will help tremendously in getting high fps. But then it goes down hill from there, a 3440 X 1440 gamer, yeah it's a good card, but what, 30% to 40% faster than the 3090 Ti? And then at 1440p gaming it's 30% faster? And at 1080p the 4090 is pure overkill and silly.
This would be a godsend for DCS World in VR. I don't get around to actually playing as much I'd like, so I don't know that I'll actually buy one, but a combination of this, and a CPU with the AMD 3D cache technology would be a very welcome upgrade.Really seems like a card for RTX enthusiasts @ 4K. Otherwise just overkill.
Stop. Just stop. You made your following points already.
1. Its only 30% faster at 4k when using a suite with frame capped games and public education math.
2. Its only 30% faster at 1440p due to other bottlenecks.
3. That's way more power than YOU need right now so the product is stupid.
Did I miss anything?
Yep. Properly feeding a Pimax 8KX for VR (and 12X next year), and a massive uplift for Topaz AI video upscaling, are the two killer apps for me that make 4090 a no brainer. VR's GPU appetite is bottomless because even if an individual title doesn't use 100% of the GPU, you can crank SuperSampling higher to eat the headroom.This would be a godsend for DCS World in VR. I don't get around to actually playing as much I'd like, so I don't know that I'll actually buy one, but a combination of this, and a CPU with the AMD 3D cache technology would be a very welcome upgrade.
Currently, I don't think it's possible to get a combination that can stay out of reprojection at all times, and when it does use reprojection, it's often at the worst possible time. For players committed enough to have a sim cockpit somewhere in their house, I can imagine the cost of upgrading to a 4090 being worthwhile.
I'm not really knocking the 4090, it is a great performer, especially for 4K, it's a big upgrade. Or for Cyberpunk 2077 it's a massive upgrade. I think we need new game releases to push this card and really show it's power, like Starfield, S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2, upcoming new Quake game, the upcoming MMO Ashes of Creation, etc...
What if we have those other things already…For the $2k price of the 4090, you can get the one video card, or, buy a brand new 55" OLED TV, and a PS5, and 5.1 surround sound setup.