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Maybe used? I've seen a few people sell them for pretty low.
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I’ve seen numerous 6900XT deals in the past 3-6 weeks ranging from $599 to $700 for brand new models. Various manufacturers.
Insane deal for basically a 3090 with shit ray tracing capabilities ( which I could care less about )
Insane deal for basically a 3090 with shit ray tracing capabilities ( which I could care less about )
Now is the time for suppliers to blow out inventory. Come January any cards left are going in the bargain bin. After Christmas the next big spending period is around April and by then the new generation of cards from both Nvidia and AMD will be in good supply and the previous stuff will be fighting for scraps as discounted goods.
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I was referring to the used market. I’ve seen them here in the forums go for that low. Definitely not the average price. $600-$650 is easily attainable.
Nvidia reports earnings today, so I guess we’ll find out how things are going either way.
One can hope, but Nvidia has stated before they don’t sell on price, and with almost 80% market share, I guess they don’t have to.
That said, the 3000 series brought pricing almost in line after Turing, likely because they heard RDNA2 was good, so here’s hoping!
I’m a bit locked in right now since my last monitor upgrade was G-sync. Based on current pricing though, if AMD’s cards are comparable, I could buy a 7900XTX and then buy a quality Freesync monitor with the money I saved!
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I got my RX 6800 XT for roughly USD550 here in South Africa about two months ago. It was a *SUPER* once off deal. The prices right now at online stores for both Nvidia and AMD are back up though.
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Three back in stock at Newegg. Less than half the stock of 4090 and has lasted about 100X longer in stock.
There is a huge point that NONE of the top reviewers or tech youtube channels have mentioned in recent months I am assuming due to a conflict of interest (wanting to keep interest and viewership at max). It really hurts the credibility/integrity of all of them, even the ones like HUB and GN that try to build that image more than others.
Every single one of them so far have framed the question as:
"With bad value like this, are these new GPUs really worth your money? If not, the best choice is to buy a Nvidia 3000 series now on discount."
This is exactly what Nvidia wants and these reviewers/channels are rewarding Nvidia's price gouging by conforming to their marketing objectives.
A pro-consumer framing of the question would be:
"With bad value like this, are these new GPUs really worth your money? If not, then if you NEED a new GPU, perhaps you should look at the Nvidia 3000 series and AMD 6000 series. But the big question is, do you really need a new GPU now? Are you really getting bad performance with your current GPU? Can you not turn down some graphics settings? Is your enjoyment of games actually being significantly affected by your current performance at X settings? Do you really want to buy old hardware at a price that just a few years ago was considered the "brand new" price? With cryptomining dead and supply shortages rapidly resolving, maybe it is best to wait one more generation when Nvidia is not trying to force you to either buy old hardware at a high price or new hardware at a ridiculously high price. Then evaluate BOTH Nvidia and AMD offerings at that point."
Not once have I seen any of them even suggest the possibility of not buying anything for now. They all frame it as "well you got to buy something" if you currently have anything less than a nvidia 3000 or amd 6000 series currently.
Every single one of them so far have framed the question as:
"With bad value like this, are these new GPUs really worth your money? If not, the best choice is to buy a Nvidia 3000 series now on discount."
This is exactly what Nvidia wants and these reviewers/channels are rewarding Nvidia's price gouging by conforming to their marketing objectives.
A pro-consumer framing of the question would be:
"With bad value like this, are these new GPUs really worth your money? If not, then if you NEED a new GPU, perhaps you should look at the Nvidia 3000 series and AMD 6000 series. But the big question is, do you really need a new GPU now? Are you really getting bad performance with your current GPU? Can you not turn down some graphics settings? Is your enjoyment of games actually being significantly affected by your current performance at X settings? Do you really want to buy old hardware at a price that just a few years ago was considered the "brand new" price? With cryptomining dead and supply shortages rapidly resolving, maybe it is best to wait one more generation when Nvidia is not trying to force you to either buy old hardware at a high price or new hardware at a ridiculously high price. Then evaluate BOTH Nvidia and AMD offerings at that point."
Not once have I seen any of them even suggest the possibility of not buying anything for now. They all frame it as "well you got to buy something" if you currently have anything less than a nvidia 3000 or amd 6000 series currently.
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Watch the GN review, he says it multiple times that the 4080 is poor value and that it might be better to spend your money on other components (or pocket it) instead. And I suppose they figure lots of their viewers who are watching that particular video are interested in buying a new card of some sort.
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Indubitably, my good sir... /tophat
Press X to doubt.
Any expected AIB markup on xtx will be applicable to 4080. The price delta should remain around $200, or more, but certainly not less.
How does the one day drop strategy work in relation to the Dell of the world having 4090 offers (with the add to card semingly working), NewEgg.com seem to have around 100 different 4090 Deskptop with InStock status:
https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=gaming+deskptop+4090
https://www.dell.com/en-ca/shop/gam...p/spd/alienware-aurora-r15-desktop/daar15_h4e
They got them on launch and that time since was to put and test the platform together or Nvidia is not really one day drop then bounce to next year, that just on the DIY retail channels, while the limited supply goes into pattern able to change over $5,000 for an whole unit and make pre-orders before release ?
Unlike the ampere launch, it become "quick" the ability to get a 4090 if you are ready to buy a pre-made computer, which was also often the easiest way last time, but it took longer going from memory (maybe not on the 3090 and on PC with those price tag side too), if I am Asus and if I can sale Asus TUF PCs with a 4090 instead of selling just the card and not only overcharging a bit more but selling Asus MB-Asus Case, etc... at the same time, I could be tempted. Same for the MSI gaming Desktop with the 4090 releasing this week.
This is not price gouging, this is 100% textbook inventory control. This is exactly what Nvidia told investors they would do, it's the exact thing all those articles claiming Nvidia was "manipulating the market" said they would do, and it is exactly what Nvidia did do.
Gouging only takes place when a customer has no options and you are forced to pay a high price, currently, we have the exact opposite for 98% of the PC gaming market; we have an overabundance of GPU choices new and used alike.
Right now though seeing how close the 3'rd party 4080s are staying around that $1200 mark is a good sign, we will see how well the 7900 xtx cards hang around their $999 price point but I expect the AIB cards to live in the $1100 range.
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SI/ODM is completely different channel than retail which I generally discuss here.
Maybe it "try", but was pricing ever worse than in late 2020 and 2021 ? If we start to remember the Ampere era has the thing that brought pricing down that would be quite the rewrite of history I feel like (it would be like saying the PS5 giving you a 3700x-6700xt performance for just $400 brought pricing down to earth, maybe it would have would it be possible more than 2 years later to buy one, outside giant volume announced price can just do so much)
There a bit of a distinction between announced price and actual price, 2 years later with new card launching outside the 3090-3090TI really hard to find MSRP ampere card, on pcpartpicker right now number of models at announced msrp or lower in stock
3070: 1
3070TI: 0
3080: 0
3080TI: 0
How much off on a discount does Ampere really is (outside the used market ?) in the segment that an 4000 series buyer could be interested in say 3080 and up ? There is almost 0 model at even msrp let alone below it, by discount do people mean versus the 2021 price we saw ?
yes 3090-3090Ti have good discount but those card were massively overpriced to start with for a gamer (and the 4080 card and price achieved to make them look somewhat good) and you and up if you buy a 3080TI and over paying the price of a 4080 for a significantly inferior card, how much better at playing game those cards are from the less than half priced new RDNA 2 cards we can find right now.
How can a $1200-1300 4080 be a bad deal but the 3080 at $820, 3090 at $1600 or 3090TI at $1640 be a good one ? The 4080 is going to be about equal to significantly much better value.
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Gaming is up 42% year-on-year.
https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/nvidia-announces-financial-results-for-third-quarter-fiscal-2022
That seem to be a 2021 report peak PC crazyness, fiscal quarter can be quite misleading with real world time.
Those are from today news:
https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/nvidia-announces-financial-results-for-third-quarter-fiscal-2023
- Third-quarter revenue was $1.57 billion, down 51% from a year ago and down 23% from the previous quarter.
Has for time being misleading how are they already in 2023 third quarter ......... even in fiscal year strangeness a whole year...
"gaming"
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Well, shit, I wasn't paying attention to the fiscal year. NVIDIA's fiscal year is a real oddball. July-June, October-September make sense to me. February-January is just stupid.
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I just realized this week that I can't fit an RTX4080 card in my trusty old Corsair 380T Mini-ITX case... sadness. Now trying to decide if I need to move my system to a new case, or just wait to see if a more compact version of the new cards is coming...
Anyone know if any of the partner companies are planning a 4080 card with under 300mm length?
Anyone know if any of the partner companies are planning a 4080 card with under 300mm length?
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They can’t. There’s no more stimulus money and credit is expensive now. Lean times ahead.
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Itx 4 life
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The difference though is AMD actually has been lowering prices where as outside of the 3090 series Nvidia hasn't done anything, 2+ year old cards still well over MSRP, AMD cards? All below original MSRP from high end to low end. Not sure if the AiBs are forced on pricing due to some agreement with Nvidia but yeah I'm not a fan of it. And yeah, I don't run my 970 very hard most of the time, I'm hoping it doesn't give up the smoke anytime soon, although if it does I'll more than happily join team Red as dollar for dollar the 6000 series is better than the 30 series current in everything but ray tracing.
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They won't be discounted until RTX 3000 series stock is depleted. Everyone should be aware by now why RTX 4000 series cards are the price the way they are and why they will remain high for the foreseeable future.
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I got my 4090 FE for MSRP without bot or scalper
Are they not already quite depleted (on the new card side)
Ship by new egg, if those research are not some bad way to look at it
https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=rtx+3080&N=8000 4131 4814
3080 10gb: 0
3080 12gb: a single model not being sold in some combo
https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=rtx+3080+ti
3080Ti: the only model not out of stock are ridicously priced, do not feel any sense of urgency to sale them, single model that make any sense is from a company named Peladn
new from newEgg:
https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=rtx+3080+ti&N=4131 4841
Not a single one
3090 from newegg:
https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=RTX+3090&N=4131 8000
A single model.
Bestbuy.com
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/search...&qp=condition_facet=Condition~New&st=rtx+3080
only 2 3080 available
No 3080TI:
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/search...rue&iht=y&usc=All+Categories&ks=960&keys=keys
No 3090:
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/search...rue&iht=y&usc=All+Categories&ks=960&keys=keys
No 3090TI:
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/search...rue&iht=y&usc=All+Categories&ks=960&keys=keys
I feel there is a narrative of giant stock of Ampere that installed itself that does not match the reality we see, at least Canada and with a VPN from popular US store, Ampere offer terrible both in pricing and availability.
Maybe on the 3050-3060-3070 level there is giant stock but I do not see the link with how a $1000 4080 would compete with those.
Do people mean the second hand market stock ?
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The issue is that there have been a LOT of people who have been "waiting one more generation" for several generations now, along with people who would have normally got a high-end card but went with something like a 1660ti instead because it was all they could afford. This has created way more pent-up demand than normal. I probably would have replaced my 2080 years ago but I refused to pay scalper prices. Aside from the artificial scarcity currently affecting the 4090 and 4080, there is an overall sense of relief among many gamers that GPUs are finally becoming affordable again. I don't think it really matters how old a card is as long as it's a good bit faster than your existing card, and you can buy it for what you consider to be a good price. I know that I'm tired of seeing my GPU usage pegged at 100%, and a card like a 3090 is a very tempting upgrade - if the price is right. I managed to snag my 2080 during the brief lull between the first and second crypto-mining scalper orgies, but there are plenty of people in even worse positions, still holding onto cards like a GTX 970 or worse.
Nvidia stated that they were sitting on record excess stock for the previous generation in their financial statement the other day, I don't what else to tell you if you won't take their word for it. These cards being sold out just means that nvidia's plan to clear out old inventory seems to be working, especially when you consider that some 4080s have already sat in stock for hours.
I do not doubt they have giant amount of 3050 to 3070s
I cannot see qualifying them has sitting on record excess stock, source ?
https://www.fool.com/earnings/call-...nvidia-nvda-q3-2023-earnings-call-transcript/
https://s22.q4cdn.com/364334381/files/doc_financials/2023/Q3FY23-CFO-Commentary.pdf
The way they talk about excess inventory (in Asia) is qualified has being data center side and new products (Hopper-Lovelace), is that code for 3080s-3090s to Asian miners ?
Yes long on going plan and the very point, it seem to be working and in track to be normal by end of Q4 which is 4 weeks from now, those cards have been sold out for a while which seem that the late launch worked, I am not sure how special the current higher end stock of new ampere goes into the decision of going low-volume (thus high price) on the 4080, is it not much more the used from miners second hand market the issue (which they do talk more about from that side) ?
Etherum did not collapse by surprise, they were selling everything they could make before that, how would you end up with an unmanageable inventory in your hand ?
Has for 4080 sitting in stock, will see but seem on popular purchase from online they already completely out of stock on newegg, bestbuy, Amazon have some scalped Zotac model, pcpartpicker could be having issue but does not seem able to find any at regular price in the USA
My channel partners and distributors are telling me there is currently nothing available for the 4080s and 4090s and they are back ordered a good bit. I was hoping for some A100 availability to replace some RTX8000’s but no such luck
They all got sent to China to beat out the US embargo’s that kick in shortly.NamelessPFG
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Still running the same old $315 GTX 980 from late 2015 to this very day, and yeah, I'm beyond pent up. My old Oculus Rift CV1 struggled with framedrops as VR games got more demanding, my Valve Index even moreso despite being cranked all the way down to 80 Hz.
Fortunately, I have more of a GPU budget these days, enough that I probably would have bought an RTX 3080 on launch day, but we all know how that went.
I'm tired of waiting, and I'm this close to pulling the trigger on a $700-800 used 3090, but I also want to see how the RX 7900 XTX stacks up and what that might do to NVIDIA's 4080 pricing.
This was the article I saw mentioning it:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-record-number-in-nvidia-earnings-is-a-scary-sight-11668653669
It does look like server parts are part of the excess but it's also clear from the statements that a lot of it is gaming parts.
The ban on Hopper sales to China and Russia has thrown a crimp in things, more China than Russia. But this is the time of year NVidia tends to stockpile in April it’s not uncommon for them to be on $8B in stock so being on 4 now is only slightly higher than normal, the difference between now and this time last year is about in line with their expected China sales that they can no longer go through with.
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This sums it up beautifully in my opinion.
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I don’t disagree with this sentiment either. The question there becomes whether or not they’re a top end GPU buyer or if they want another card in the 1660Ti or GTX1060 range which is still the most popular card on Steam survey (at 7% or so).
4080 availability means nothing to those buyers if they only want to spend $300 and not $1200. AMD and nVidia are mostly behind at selling good bang for your buck mid and low range cards that normal consumers actually can afford. As much as I’m looking forward to the 7900XTX eating the 4080’s lunch at the top, most people won’t own either of those cards.
GotNoRice is clearly a top end GPU buyer. I just think he may also be in the minority on that point.
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That's why I'm really looking forward to Intel nailing the sub-USD500 market.
I was always a budget buyer, a "best bang for buck" guy, regardless of brand. Only recently did I take the plunge into 4K primarily for work, and got an RX 6800 XT for gaming at 4K. I wouldn't have bought it if I had not been able to get it at an absolute banger of a price.
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Fr fr, no cap... does everyone here really upgrade constantly? Once cards started reaching 600+ I greatly slowed down the rate at which I upgrade. The only graphics card release I have even gotten excited about was the latest intel offerings, and they ending up being meh at best. If I ever have time to game more then maybe I will update my system more often.