3rd gen Ryzen discussion thread

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  1. TheRookie

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    Please discuss 3rd gen Ryzen here
     
  2. Boil

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    As opposed to the half dozen + active threads already discussing Zen 2...?
     
  3. drescherjm

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    Or do you mean Zen3?
     
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    LOL, my bad, the nomenclature gets confusing sometimes, especially when one rolls into a whole bunch of CPU threads first thing in the morning...! ;^p

    Here, I will contribute...

     
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  5. drescherjm

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    4 way SMT. Hmm..
     
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  6. daphatgrant

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    Looking forward to it, competition is good for everyone.
     
  7. TheRookie

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    all the more reasons to consolidate
     
  8. Lepardi

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    Ryzen 4000 series seems to be the upgrade path for me from i7 4000 series :D
     
  9. IdiotInCharge

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    It's not impossible, but it might be reckless. Many of the vulnerabilities being found in x86 out-of-order CPUs stem from the kind of cache sharing that SMT leverages, and one still has to ask, if there are enough resources in a core to run that many threads- why not separate them into cores?
     
  10. compgeek89

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    Guesses on performance of Ryzen 3950X vs TR 2950X?
     
  11. IdiotInCharge

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    Ryzen 3950X >20% over the TR. Clockspeed + IPC + RAM speed is going to add up.
     
  12. Guille_arg

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    I am tired switching intel socket every gen of CPU.
    I will buy the new amd series.
     
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  13. drescherjm

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    You mean every 2 or 3 generations.

    Zen4 wiil have a new socket. Not sure about if that happens at Zen3 or Zen4. I thought the original plan was Zen4. However there were mentions of the socket change at Zen 3 today in this forum.
     
  14. IdiotInCharge

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    AMD just changes what each CPU needs from the motherboard, so your old board might "work", but you'll be left wanting more, especially if you're planning on running high boost speeds or overclocking.

    Can't have it both ways.
     
  15. compgeek89

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    Only 2 RAM channels though, right?
     
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  16. IdiotInCharge

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    That's not really a limitation for the kind of use that the sixteen core parts will see. The lower latency and higher clockspeed will make more of a difference at the performance edge, I think.
     
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    You may be right. I look forward to seeing the results. Looks like TR3 won't be here for a while.
     
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  18. JRZoid

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    Honestly I think you should wait longerrr...Zen 2 trust me has enough Horsepower. It is a good time to get another GPU, maybe another ram kit/PSU and like nice Peripherals etc whatever. You saved a few bucks for that etc.
     
  19. Flexion

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    Yeah but you'll likely change after you buy AMD anyways.. Who knows if AM4 will support Ryzen 4000 series, etc.?

    EDIT: I also want to mention that by the time Ryzen 4000 rolls around it may be time for DDR5, which may be reason to change sockets too? I'm speculating of course. No crystal ball here unfortunately. XD
     
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    Some more leaks by Tom's of anyone is interested.
    Warning: probably the worst tech article ever.
    https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-7-3800x-vs-intel-i9-9900k-geekbench,39691.html

    1. First off, the title is rather sensational and misleading.
    2. Both are NOT running 2133mhz in that test
    3. Pretty sure 6189 vs 5406 is more than a 1.09% SC advantage.
    4. Unknown if the 9900k was running MCE, otherwise it was only clocked at 3.6ghz vs 3.9 ghz of the 3800x.
    5. The amount of salt the suggest using is WAY too small.
     
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    Review: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 (X470) (World Exclusive)
    BY IVÁN MARTÍNEZ
    06/24/2019
    CPUS & APUS
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    As is usual with the AMD news , we anticipate its official launch to bring you a juicy review of the new AMD Ryzen 5 3600 . It is true that we had to do it on a previous generation X470 motherboard , although with its BIOS updated to offer "total" compatibility (depending on the manufacturer) and drivers to the latest. Of course, do not worry, that shortly we will also have the review with an X570 board .

    This review we could have published a few weeks ago, but we prefer to wait to have a final BIOS for the motherboard X470 and the X570, but for now the overclock does not work on the chosen motherboard, freezing the system just touch the multiplier.

    Let's first see the technical specifications of this AMD Ryzen 5 3600 :

    AMD Ryzen 5 3600
    Socket AM4
    Fabrication process TSMC 7nm FinFET
    Cores / Threads 6 cores / 12 threads
    Base Frequency 3.60 GHz
    Turbo frequency 4.20 GHz
    Cache L3 32 MB
    Memory Compatible DDR4-3200 Dual-Channel
    PCIe PCIe 4.0 x16
    TDP 65W
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    AMD Ryzen 5 3600
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    In short, the AMD Ryzen 5 3600 is a revision of the Ryzen 5 2600 that maintains the 6 cores , which in turn offer 12 threads . It is true that it offers an improvement in frequencies, which are at 3.60 GHz of base and reach 4.20 GHz in Turbo mode , also increasing the L3 cache to 32 MB .

    AMD-Ryzen-5-3600-X470-2-740x369.jpg

    As we can see in CPU-Z , the set of instructions supported has MMX (+), SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, SSE4.2, SSE4A, x86-64, AMD-V, AES, AVX, AVX2, FMA3 and SHA, the same as in previous generations of Ryzen .

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    This and nothing is the same, but ... is what there is
    Obviously it is a processor for the AM4 socket and therefore makes use of the connection system " Pin Grip Array ", where the pins are in the processor and not in the motherboard.

    Test Equipment
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    To analyze the performance of the AMD Ryzen 5 3600 processor , we have mounted it on a Gigabyte X470 Aorus Gaming 7 WiFi motherboard together with G.Skill FlareX DDR4 @ 3200 MHz memories and the Nvidia GeForce RTX 2080 Ti Founders Edition graphics . Obviously, we have installed BIOS F40 , the latest available, which gives "full" support for the new Ryzen 3000 , or so they promise.

    It is true that we have been able to configure everything without problems and that the operation seems correct, although later we will see that the problems of the first generation of Ryzen processors with the memories seem to reproduce in latencies and copies.

    Synthetic Tests
    Next, we show you the results of the performance tests performed on this and other processors in calculation benchmarks (wPrime), rendering (Cinebench), coding (x264) and memories (Aida64) to analyze the mono and multithreading performance.

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    Benchmarks
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    Likewise, we have passed some of the most famous and representative benchmarks focused on games.

    Games
    Also analyzed the performance in games comparing it with the few processed that we have available for these titles, all of them in Full HD - Ultra .

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    Temperature and Consumption
    Under an ambient temperature of 20ºC, the AMD Ryzen 5 3600 offers temperatures of about 40ºC at rest and about 75ºC in its stress test, a really good value if we take into account that we have used the reference heatsink and that it is around 5ºC below what the previous generation achieved.

    On the consumption, say that it has improved notably remaining around 125W for the complete equipment in the stress test of Aida64 (without disks or GPU) and around 360W for benchmarks in which if the graph intervenes. If we take into account that when we analyzed the Ryzen 5 2600 and the Ryzen 7 2700X , the difference in consumption was 55W , that we now have a difference of 65W in this test equipment between the Ryzen 5 3600 and the Ryzen 7 2700X tells us that Energy efficiency has not improved along with the 7 nm process.

    conclusion
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    The AMD Ryzen 5 3600 might seem to only mean a revision of frequencies on the Ryzen 5 2600 , but with an improvement in performance of around 20% in calculation tasks , there is something else. Its IPC has increased remarkably, improving in addition the performance in games , where it surpasses even the 2700X of previous generation and approaches the i9-9900K . We do not have an improvement in terms of efficiency compared to the previous generation if we compare consumption, but we do have it if we compare that it gives us more performance at the same consumption .

    If we take into account that its launch price in Spain will be around 206-218 euros (according to Xtremmedia.com and GlobalData.pl stores ), which is the price of the Ryzen 7 2700 , we will take a processor that is notably better at Regarding IPC and something better in games, but slightly worse in multicore calculation. Your choice compensates, yes, but it is not the panacea. The AMD Ryzen 3000 goes on sale on July 7 , like the rest of reviews.

    Main advantages
    + Notable improvement of the CPI compared to the previous generation
    + Excellent multi-core performance
    + Temperatures and consumption very good
    + 6 cores / 12 threads
    + Compatible with previous generation base plates
    Negative aspects
    - The memories seem not to go fine, even being specific to AMD
    Other Aspects
    * Sold with heatsink included
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    Read more https://elchapuzasinformatico.com/2019/06/amd-ryzen-5-3600-x470-review/
     
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  22. Flexion

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    Hmm... Seems like new Ryzens are trading blows, but at a lower price point, or offering more cores at the same price point, etc.

    EDIT: I'm saying that with some guestimation of how the higher end models (which are clocked higher) should perform vs. the higher end Intel models shown in this review.
     
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  23. DuronBurgerMan

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    The 3600 does quite well here, especially given its low boost clock relative to the 2700X and, of course, the 9900k.

    Very curious to see how the faster 3900X performs here.
     
  24. hititnquitit

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    In your conclusion you list this regarding the memory you ran.

    -The memories seem not to go fine, even being specific to AMD
    Other Aspects

    Were there issues running it at its rated speed and timings? What exactly was the problem?
     
  25. tangoseal

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    We dont even have zen2 out yet. This is far too early of a thread topic to be discussing but that's my 2 pennies.
     
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    It looks like the memory write numbers were low, if google translate is to be believed.
     
  27. tom_ozahoski

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    If legit seems to perform very well for the lowest end Ryzen 3000.
     
  28. chameleoneel

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    I'm guessing its probably a bios support issue which will be worked out over time. There's really no reason for it to be lower.
     
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    Yeah. Could be the infinity thingy is running 1/2 speed which would explain the crappy latency number on one of the tests. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. My 6700k still works well, but after experiencing some hex core goodness on a cheap lappy I own with an 8750H I'm dying to migrate to a 3900x or 3950x.
     
  30. rocketr2

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    Looks like the 4 core 6700k is still faster in some games
     
  31. TheRookie

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    Review: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 (X570)
    BY IVÁN MARTÍNEZ
    06/25/2019
    CPUS & APUS
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    After the analysis on a motherboard X470 , today it is the turn to analyze the AMD Ryzen 5 3600 on a motherboard X570 to see if there are differences in performance or if the promised compatibility is true.

    Let's look again at the technical specifications of this AMD Ryzen 5 3600 :

    AMD Ryzen 5 3600
    Socket AM4
    Fabrication process TSMC 7nm FinFET
    Cores / Threads 6 cores / 12 threads
    Base Frequency 3.60 GHz
    Turbo frequency 4.20 GHz
    Cache L3 32 MB
    Memory Compatible DDR4-3200 Dual-Channel
    PCIe PCIe 4.0 x16
    TDP 65W
    Table of contents [ Hide ]

    AMD Ryzen 5 3600
    AMD-Ryzen-5-3600-X570-1-740x562.jpg

    As we saw yesterday, the AMD Ryzen 5 3600 is a revision of the Ryzen 5 2600 that maintains the 6 cores , which in turn offer 12 threads . It is true that it offers an improvement in frequencies, which are at 3.60 GHz of base and reach 4.20 GHz in Turbo mode , also increasing the L3 cache to 32 MB .

    AMD-Ryzen-5-3600-X570-2-740x369.jpg

    As we can see in CPU-Z , the set of instructions supported has MMX (+), SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, SSE4.2, SSE4A, x86-64, AMD-V, AES, AVX, AVX2, FMA3 and SHA, the same as in previous generations of Ryzen .

    AMD-Ryzen-5-3600-X570-3-740x582.jpg

    Obviously it is a processor for the AM4 socket and therefore makes use of the connection system " Pin Grip Array ", where the pins are in the processor and not in the motherboard.

    Test Equipment
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    To analyze the performance of the AMD Ryzen 5 3600 processor , we have mounted it on a motherboard that we have baptized as ECI X570 Monster VIII Turbo Fan Plus Ultra Z RGB (we do not want any manufacturer to be harmed without any reason, since none of them acceded to that its motherboard was used) next to the memories G.Skill FlareX DDR4 @ 3200 MHz and the graph Nvidia GeForce RTX 2080 Ti Founders Edition and the operative system in its most updated version Windows 10 June 2019 Update.

    Obviously, we have installed the last available BIOS, final BIOS destined for the July 7 reviews, but it is not allowed to perform overclock with this CPU.

    Equipment used for this comparison with the Intel Core i9-9900K:

    Synthetic Tests
    Next, we show you the results of the performance tests performed on this and other processors in calculation benchmarks (wPrime), rendering (Cinebench), coding (x264) and memories (Aida64) to analyze the mono and multithreading performance.

    AMD-Ryzen-5-3600-X570-Tests-1.jpg
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    Benchmarks
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    Likewise, we have passed some of the most famous and representative benchmarks focused on games.

    Games
    Also analyzed the performance in games comparing it with the few processed that we have available for these titles, all of them in Full HD - Ultra .

    AMD-Ryzen-5-3600-X570-Juegos-1.jpg
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    Temperature and Consumption
    Under an ambient temperature of 20ºC, the AMD Ryzen 5 3600 offers temperatures of about 35ºC at rest and about 70ºC in its stress test, a value slightly below that achieved on the X470 board . This is probably due to different frequency profiles and voltages, although the performance has not been reduced.

    On the consumption, say that it has improved notably remaining around 130W for the complete equipment in the stress test of Aida64 (without discs or GPU) and around 350W for benchmarks in which the graph does intervene. This is 5-10W less than with the X470 board .

    conclusion
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    As we discussed yesterday, the AMD Ryzen 5 3600 might seem that only assumes a revision of frequencies on the Ryzen 5 2600 , but with an improvement of performance around 20% in calculation tasks , something else is there. However, compared to the performance offered by a previous generation X470 motherboard and an X570 we have not found great differences, except in some game that seems to give some extra, but not widely, so it is not mandatory to buy an AMD X570 , except if we plan to buy a PCI-Express 4.0 SSD.

    In any case, its IPC has increased remarkably, improving also the performance in games against the previous generation, approaching even the almighty Core i9-9900K . We do not have, however, an improvement in terms of efficiency compared to the previous generation if we compare consumption, but we do have it if we compare that it gives us greater performance at the same consumption .

    If we take into account that its launch price in Spain will be around 206-218 euros (according to Xtremmedia.com and GlobalData.pl stores ), which is the price of the Ryzen 7 2700 , we will take a processor that is notably better at Regarding IPC and something better in games, but slightly worse in multicore calculation. Your choice compensates, yes, but it is not the panacea. The AMD Ryzen 3000 goes on sale on July 7 , like the rest of reviews.

    Main advantages
    + Notable improvement of the CPI compared to the previous generation
    + Excellent multi-core performance
    + Temperatures and consumption very good
    + 6 cores / 12 threads
    + Compatible with previous generation base plates
    Negative aspects
    - The memories seem not to go fine, even being specific to AMD
    Other Aspects
    * Sold with heatsink included
    Galardon-Oro.png



    Read more https://elchapuzasinformatico.com/2019/06/amd-ryzen-5-3600-x570-review/
     
  32. IdiotInCharge

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    Can we not copy and paste (translated) reviews into threads?

    If I want to know what the reviewers are saying, I'll go get Google to translate the review for me and read it myself. What I want to know from you is what you think the review adds to the discussion.
     
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    And if tempted to do that, put it quotes, so it doesn't occupy 20 screens worth of scrolling...
     
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    I assumed he did that for those bulldozer users that don't have enough processing power to pull up another website allong with hardocp :).
     
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    Most important thing is : is it compatible with Windows 7 Pro ? I mean it doesn't crash and doesn't crash after BIOS update. Does the 3900 with 2 core chiplets support Windows 7 ? (if 3900 does, 3950 may also).
    I suppose X570 chipset won't have Windows 7 drivers, but X470/B450 will and they will be compatible if the BIOS after update will.
    I will never Windows 10, will go Linux + VT instead + Windows 7 Pro again, if needed.
    Second most important : does it support ECC ram ?
    Third most important : what about 128GB RAM (4x32GB). AMD said they will support but they never came back on this. We need 128GB ECC support. RAM IS cheap and everybody should update to the most he can manage to install.

    I'm asking because Threadripper plateform receive a BIOS update after TR2 series compatibility which made it incompatible with Windows 7. So to run Windows 7 on a TR plateform you need TR1 series and keep the older BIOS.
     
  36. Keljian

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    This is far from the most important thing....

    There is no way the kernel or scheduler in win7 is in any way optimised for the ccx architecture. As you alluded to, support is patchy at best.

    Also, ECC and 128 gig of ram are both unnecessary for 99.8% of users. I’m sorry, if you think otherwise you are delusional.
     
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  37. chameleoneel

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    You need to be looking at an HEDT platform. Not AM4.
     
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