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3600x 3700x , 3800x vs 9900K for gaming
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close this useless thread then
Eh, you can certainly do that but it won't be near the jump that we saw going from Zen / Zen+ to Zen2.
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I never liked that naming as I use in my head ( generation) as it covers the Motherboard and Ryzen all at once . much easier to explain and match the right hardware together .
Gen 1 = 320 / 350 / 370 chipsets = Gen 1 Ryzen 1000 series
Gen 2 = 450 / 470 chipsets = Gen 2 Ryzen 2000 series
Gen 3 = 550 / 570 chipset = Gen 3 Ryzen 3000 series
But that is not accurate and according to the manufacturer even though I/we understand what you mean.
Ryzen 1000 series is Gen 1 zen cores. 14nm
Ryzen 2000 series was not a new generation. It was an updated gen 1.14nm+
Ryzen 3000 is Generation 2 Zen cores and is a new architecture over Gen 1. 7nm
Ryzen 4000 is Generation 2 Zen cores that are updated. 7nm +
Ryzen 5000(?) will be Zen 3 cores a new architecture 7nm ++ more than likely as planned to be 5nm
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Ryzen 2000 is 12nm.
Regardless this thread is troll bait. OP made same thread on other forums, with same stupid questions over and over.
Regardless this thread is troll bait. OP made same thread on other forums, with same stupid questions over and over.
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Same exact title, nice try.
I mentioned that it was a dupe thread, they deleted the post but actually locked the thread. Figures...
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...800x-vs-9900k-for-gaming.264768/#post-4225585
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kirbyrj
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All we're saying is to stop asking the same questions over and over again. In my line of work it's called fishing for answers. You're always looking for someone to tell you what you think you want to hear. Do a little research on your own...ask a few questions, but then don't keep repeating yourself. Nothing personal. Good luck with your build!
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I literally just explained to not repeat yourself over and over again
.i have one question and i have confused
do you believe that the cpus of ps5 and xbox
are better or the same like 3700x cpu , 3800x and 9900k cpus?/
do you believe that the cpus of ps5 and xbox
| PlayStation 5 | Xbox Series X | |
|---|---|---|
| CPU | 8x Zen 2 Cores at 3.5GHz (variable frequency, with SMT) | 8x Zen 2 Cores at 3.8GHz (3.6GHz with SMT) |
| GPU | 10.28 TFLOPs, 36 CUs at 2.23GHz (variable frequency) | 12.16 TFLOPs, 52 CUs at 1.825GHz |
| GPU Architecture | Custom RDNA 2 w/ hardware RT support | Custom RDNA 2 w/ hardware RT support |
| Memory | 16GB GDDR6 | 16GB GDDR6 |
| Memory Bandwidth | 448GB/s | 10GB at 560GB/s, 6GB at 336GB/s |
| Internal Storage | Custom 825GB NVMe SSD | 1TB Custom NVMe SSD |
| IO Throughput | 5.5GB/s (Raw), 8-9GB/s (Compressed) | 2.4GB/s (Raw), 4.8GB/s (Compressed) |
| Expandable Storage | NVMe SSD Slot | 1TB Expansion Card |
| External Storage | USB HDD Support | USB HDD Support |
| Optical Drive | 4K UHD Blu-ray Drive | 4K UHD Blu-ray Drive |
| HDMI | 2.1 (4K/120Hz, 8K, VRR) | 2.1 (4K/120Hz, 8K, VRR) |
| Backwards compatibility | PlayStation 4(*) | Xbox, Xbox 360, Xbox One |
are better or the same like 3700x cpu , 3800x and 9900k cpus?/
| PlayStation 5 | Xbox Series X | |
|---|---|---|
| CPU | 8x Zen 2 Cores at 3.5GHz (variable frequency, with SMT) | 8x Zen 2 Cores at 3.8GHz (3.6GHz with SMT) |
| GPU | 10.28 TFLOPs, 36 CUs at 2.23GHz (variable frequency) | 12.16 TFLOPs, 52 CUs at 1.825GHz |
| GPU Architecture | Custom RDNA 2 w/ hardware RT support | Custom RDNA 2 w/ hardware RT support |
| Memory | 16GB GDDR6 | 16GB GDDR6 |
| Memory Bandwidth | 448GB/s | 10GB at 560GB/s, 6GB at 336GB/s |
| Internal Storage | Custom 825GB NVMe SSD | 1TB Custom NVMe SSD |
| IO Throughput | 5.5GB/s (Raw), 8-9GB/s (Compressed) | 2.4GB/s (Raw), 4.8GB/s (Compressed) |
| Expandable Storage | NVMe SSD Slot | 1TB Expansion Card |
| External Storage | USB HDD Support | USB HDD Support |
| Optical Drive | 4K UHD Blu-ray Drive | 4K UHD Blu-ray Drive |
| HDMI | 2.1 (4K/120Hz, 8K, VRR) | 2.1 (4K/120Hz, 8K, VRR) |
| Backwards compatibility | PlayStation 4(*) | Xbox, Xbox 360, Xbox One |
Slightly slower 3700X.
the RYZEN 7 3700X, is 8C/16T, 3.6-4.4GHz, CACHE 4MB L2+32MB L3, and the ps5 and xbox are
why the 3700x is slower from ps5 and xbox x??
PlayStation 5 | Xbox Series X | |
|---|---|---|
| CPU | 8x Zen 2 Cores at 3.5GHz (variable frequency, with SMT) | 8x Zen 2 Cores at 3.8GHz (3.6GHz with SMT) |
why the 3700x is slower from ps5 and xbox x??
What? 3700X is faster than both of them. All Core boost 3.5GHz for PS5, All core boost for XBSX with SMT is 3.6GHz, it's ~4.0GHz All core boost for the 3700x.
They why part is about power budget.
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In addition, we have no idea how large the L3 cache is. On the shipping APU version, it's just 8MB cache (the normal processor is 32MB).
Since this a custom core, it could be anywhere between those two. But I would bet it's 8MB.
Previous Ryzen APUs saw a 10% drop in performance by having half the cache per-ccx. But the Ryzen 2 APU is a real wildcard: it's adding back an on-die memory controller. So it may be equal in performance-per-clock to the 3700x. If that's the case, then going with the bare minimum L3 cache makes the most sense.
Based on the features of the PS5 and. Xbox Series that we will need something like the 3950X, 16 cores)?
There is a text that says that
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2020-inside-xbox-series-x-full-specs
Indicative for CPU & GPU.
"Plus it has other benefits," enthuses Andrew Goossen. "It's less latent and it saves a ton of CPU. With the best competitive solution, we found doing decompression software to match the SSD rate would have consumed three Zen 2 CPU cores. When you add in the IO CPU overhead, that's another two cores. So the resulting workload would have completely consumed five Zen 2 CPU cores when now it only takes a tenth of a CPU core. So in other words, to equal the performance of a Series X at its full IO rate, you would need to build a PC with 13 Zen 2 cores. That's seven cores dedicated for the game: one for Windows and shell and five for the IO and decompression overhead."
"Without hardware acceleration, this work could have been done in the shaders, but would have consumed over 13 TFLOPs alone," says Andrew Goossen. "For the Series X, this work is offloaded onto dedicated hardware and the shader can continue to run in parallel with full performance. In other words, Series X can effectively tap the equivalent of well over 25 TFLOPs of performance while ray tracing."
For example, based on the reasoning is the following.
The philosophy of PCs has always been based on brute force (CPU & RAM), while consoles on specialized chips (fixed-function ASIC) that do a job and do it well.
So even though the consoles are PC-based, they still have this philosophy of fixed-function ASICs, which help the CPU (to alleviate it from various tasks).
In this case they will have ASIC decompressor (no relation to DMA) that will decompress data in real time (that's why they say raw raw compressed speed on SSD) with minimal use of the Zen 2 CPU. Plus they will have another (low-level) I / O API (according to Mantle standards, see draw calls) & filesystem for further reduction of CPU overhead. The consoles will only have 8 cores, but will not have to do with decompression lance. 7 out of 8 cores will be available for pure gaming purposes as the EG link says.
That's why MS tells you about future-proofness, you go to the next tier (3950X, 16 cores) that costs around € 750 at the moment we're talking about.
If and when PCs acquire a corresponding baseline (that is, almost all have ASIC decompressor), then they will not need so many CPU cores for brute force.
That is, in order to have a future proof, we have to go to 3950x; The alternative should go to a cheap Zen 2 CPU for cross-gen games will come to 2022, and then to do upgrade to 16-core for next-gen games (and uploaded SSD Baseline to be marked), wherein logically (due to Zen 5 / AM5) the prices will have dropped by then;
There is a text that says that
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2020-inside-xbox-series-x-full-specs
Indicative for CPU & GPU.
"Plus it has other benefits," enthuses Andrew Goossen. "It's less latent and it saves a ton of CPU. With the best competitive solution, we found doing decompression software to match the SSD rate would have consumed three Zen 2 CPU cores. When you add in the IO CPU overhead, that's another two cores. So the resulting workload would have completely consumed five Zen 2 CPU cores when now it only takes a tenth of a CPU core. So in other words, to equal the performance of a Series X at its full IO rate, you would need to build a PC with 13 Zen 2 cores. That's seven cores dedicated for the game: one for Windows and shell and five for the IO and decompression overhead."
"Without hardware acceleration, this work could have been done in the shaders, but would have consumed over 13 TFLOPs alone," says Andrew Goossen. "For the Series X, this work is offloaded onto dedicated hardware and the shader can continue to run in parallel with full performance. In other words, Series X can effectively tap the equivalent of well over 25 TFLOPs of performance while ray tracing."
For example, based on the reasoning is the following.
The philosophy of PCs has always been based on brute force (CPU & RAM), while consoles on specialized chips (fixed-function ASIC) that do a job and do it well.
So even though the consoles are PC-based, they still have this philosophy of fixed-function ASICs, which help the CPU (to alleviate it from various tasks).
In this case they will have ASIC decompressor (no relation to DMA) that will decompress data in real time (that's why they say raw raw compressed speed on SSD) with minimal use of the Zen 2 CPU. Plus they will have another (low-level) I / O API (according to Mantle standards, see draw calls) & filesystem for further reduction of CPU overhead. The consoles will only have 8 cores, but will not have to do with decompression lance. 7 out of 8 cores will be available for pure gaming purposes as the EG link says.
That's why MS tells you about future-proofness, you go to the next tier (3950X, 16 cores) that costs around € 750 at the moment we're talking about.
If and when PCs acquire a corresponding baseline (that is, almost all have ASIC decompressor), then they will not need so many CPU cores for brute force.
That is, in order to have a future proof, we have to go to 3950x; The alternative should go to a cheap Zen 2 CPU for cross-gen games will come to 2022, and then to do upgrade to 16-core for next-gen games (and uploaded SSD Baseline to be marked), wherein logically (due to Zen 5 / AM5) the prices will have dropped by then;
Plus it has other benefits," enthuses Andrew Goossen. "It's less latent and it saves a ton of CPU. With the best competitive solution, we found doing decompression software to match the SSD rate would have consumed three Zen 2 CPU cores. When you add in the IO CPU overhead, that's another two cores. So the resulting workload would have completely consumed five Zen 2 CPU cores when now it only takes a tenth of a CPU core. So in other words, to equal the performance of a Series X at its full IO rate, you would need to build a PC with 13 Zen 2 cores. That's seven cores dedicated for the game: one for Windows and shell and five for the IO and decompression overhea
do you agree with this??
do you agree with this??