343 Industries Cracks Down on Halo 4 Sexism

CrimandEvil

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So much "wah wah! You're taking away my right to free speech and to be an offensive shitbag on a private service!" in this thread.

A few friends of mine play online and even they find Live to be an offense wasteland of morons.

To put this into perspective, we will stand around (we work together too) work and make racist, sexist, homophobic remarks to each other about each other. It's a lot of fun but even they would agree that MS needs to start doing something about all the morons on Live. lol
 

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All this means is that some people can't be the immature 12 year olds they are online.

Except that is most the people online :p

Personally I don't really care about shit talking in games. It doesn't bother me in the slightest. Of the very very few serious female FPS gamers I have known, they are some of the worst sexist shit talkers I know, then turn around and cry when someone tells them to get back in the kitchen.

But that said, nor do I really care if shit talking is banned. But if it is, two points..

1. It's a bit retarded to just stop sexism, just make it a no-shit-talking policy and be done with it instead of trying to single out sexism.

2. Permaban is a terrible system because everyone might have different opinions of what the limit is, a simple 1 week ban for each offense up until, I dunno, the 5th offense and then 1 month bans thereafter is far smarter than a permaban.
 

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Or, you know, not buy a 360 or Live in the first place.... oh, wait. :rolleyes:
I hate this argument on any topic when effectively a monopoly or a small oligopoly of 2 (maybe 3) is in place.

If there wasn't an oligopoly they probably would go elsewhere but better yet, 343/MS wouldn't have pulled this over-reacting zero tolerance nonsense.

Allow peer ratings and the ability to selectively mute based on those ratings. Problem solved.

But no, the don't want to protect a person from hearing unpleasant things. They want to thought police people from saying them.
 

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Can I assume that this policy will also apply to women who make sexist comments about men?

Nothing irritates me more than feminist double standards.
 

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Yet more reason why I cancelled my Live membership years ago. I don't need to pay to have some self righteous jackass moderate me. If you don't like trash talk, don't play online..simple as that. If you are easily offended, then you have no business playing online competitive shooters. Go play hello kitty online adventures, we won't miss you.
 

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from my perspective, this is great. Me and my Fiance play BF3 online and the amounts of people who will put down a female playing the game is amazing.

Can't even count how many times She has gone and tried to push our failing team to be better and they turn around and say a sexist remark. Hopefully it will carry on to help prevent the insane need to be sexist in remarks.
 

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I'm pretty sure that 343 Industries mostly is populated by guys who were the ones who made that decision in the first place. Go blame people with penises and leave innocent bystanders out of this.

Or you could, you know, actually RTFA whereupon you'd know this decision came from two females.

This crack down on sexism was revealed by 343 Industries lead Bonnie Ross and Halo 4 executive producer Kiki Wolfkill in an new interview with GameSpot

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GOOD, this is a real problem online and is the reason most women will not admit they are women

Yeah, I mean, racism, homophobia and xenophobia? Who cares about that! It's all about sexism. Gotta protect the 'little ladies' even though that sentiment is sexist in itself as you thinking they need special treatment or 'protection' is admitting they're not equals.

And why would they have to admit they're women? Unless they like the attention. And then they wonder why people dislike them...

And that's why this whole 343 studios thing is bullshit, nobody gave a fuck when it was men being insulted, but WOMAN being insulted, holy shit stop everything!

Yup. Double standards at its finest. It's only sexism when it's targeted at women. We all know women are innocent little angels who'll never: swear or discriminate, sexual harass or demean the opposite sex.

No, only men do that :rolleyes:

So much "wah wah! You're taking away my right to free speech and to be an offensive shitbag on a private service!" in this thread.

No. More like "wah wah! You're being double-standard sexist hypocrites who are targeting the opposite gender because your gender can't grow thicker skin in an environment where EVERYONE gets equally insulted and ignoring that your own gender is/can be equally sexist as proven by this action that will only target men".

Can I assume that this policy will also apply to women who make sexist comments about men?

Nothing irritates me more than feminist double standards.

Dream on brother, dream on.
 

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Lol. It's hilarious to see the white knights coming out of the woodwork to defend women at the smallest hint of men knowing what's really going on. :rolleyes:

My wife is a gamer and I never, ever, heard anyone talk smack to her, even when I keep silent and do not tell I'm her husband. Why? Simple. She doesn't want attention. She logs in, say what needs to be said, done. No fluff, screaming, attention whoring of any kind.

Same goes with most of the women I played with that didn't complain about being insulted: instead of screaming "hey I'm a woman, please kiss my ass", they play the game like everyone else, talking and joking without putting the "woman card" above all else, thinking they're entitled to be protected and/or have some kind of advantage.

Reminds me of the female WoW players I met that didn't do squat and still had uber gear: they had a lot of guys getting her ready, farming, crafting, carrying her through dungeons/raids so she can get equipped. All the while she was eating her Doritos and laughing at how stupid men are when they smell pussy.

Seems to me they want to be able to have their cake and eat it too. As usual.
 

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You guys are all looking at it wrong, banning cheaters, and flamers only increases your sales. They go start a new account and buy new games. And the games they were not you dont have to support. Its been working great for valve. Seriously cheaters just come back with new accounts / games.
 

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You guys are all looking at it wrong, banning cheaters, and flamers only increases your sales. They go start a new account and buy new games. And the games they were not you dont have to support. Its been working great for valve. Seriously cheaters just come back with new accounts / games.

Very true, the type of people who are more hardcore players and who make these sexist remarks are usually one in the same.
 

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You guys are all looking at it wrong, banning cheaters, and flamers only increases your sales. They go start a new account and buy new games. And the games they were not you dont have to support. Its been working great for valve. Seriously cheaters just come back with new accounts / games.

Banning cheaters I have no real problem with, though even then you get cases of false positives and people getting banned for no good reason. Banning "flamers" I'm far less happy about because it's all relative, who decides in each case who is worthy of banning and who is not, when does friendly banter become flaming, if someone types or says "fuck", "sex", "whore", without thinking (seeing as it's allowed in other games), does that warrant their game which they paid money for being permanantly banned?

And then we aren't talking about "flamers" anyway, we're talking about "sexist comments", which frankly is just retarded in my opinion. Penalties for poor sportsmanship is fine, but why do we have to narrow in on sexism?
 

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I'm worried that the teenage troll douchebags on there will just report everyone for sexual harassment if they lose. It's typical to get reported for nonsense in most games. Hopefully the benefit outweighs the problems associated with implementing something like this. My assumption would be it would, but then again, maybe the best answer was just to turn your headset off if you didn't like hearing trash talk.
 

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I'm worried that the teenage troll douchebags on there will just report everyone for sexual harassment if they lose. It's typical to get reported for nonsense in most games. Hopefully the benefit outweighs the problems associated with implementing something like this. My assumption would be it would, but then again, maybe the best answer was just to turn your headset off if you didn't like hearing trash talk.

Guys have already started recording videos and reporting other guys saying sexist/derogatory things to other guys

343's reaction so far has been......

Fucking nothing.

No really. Fucking nothing. They have tons of youtube video evidence of guys bashing on other guys, but they don't give a fuck.

Why?

Cause its men attacking men, and their policy was only created for men attacking woman.

Double standards ahead!
 

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Guys have already started recording videos and reporting other guys saying sexist/derogatory things to other guys
I am interested how a guy can say something sexist to another guy :p Anti-homosexual or racist I could see, not so much sexist.
 

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I am interested how a guy can say something sexist to another guy :p Anti-homosexual or racist I could see, not so much sexist.

Its still insulting people for their religious/sexual preference/gender

Just 343 studio's doesn't give a flying fuck that its men being insulted.
 

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Lol. It's hilarious to see the white knights coming out of the woodwork to defend women at the smallest hint of men knowing what's really going on. :rolleyes:

My wife is a gamer and I never, ever, heard anyone talk smack to her, even when I keep silent and do not tell I'm her husband. Why? Simple. She doesn't want attention. She logs in, say what needs to be said, done. No fluff, screaming, attention whoring of any kind.

Same goes with most of the women I played with that didn't complain about being insulted: instead of screaming "hey I'm a woman, please kiss my ass", they play the game like everyone else, talking and joking without putting the "woman card" above all else, thinking they're entitled to be protected and/or have some kind of advantage.

Reminds me of the female WoW players I met that didn't do squat and still had uber gear: they had a lot of guys getting her ready, farming, crafting, carrying her through dungeons/raids so she can get equipped. All the while she was eating her Doritos and laughing at how stupid men are when they smell pussy.

Seems to me they want to be able to have their cake and eat it too. As usual.

I've had the exact opposite experience when playing with my ex-fiancee. She wasn't being an attention seeker either. Many women I know will refrain from using voice communication because of sexism in gaming.

Sampling error.
 

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I've had the exact opposite experience when playing with my ex-fiancee. She wasn't being an attention seeker either. Many women I know will refrain from using voice communication because of sexism in gaming.

Sampling error.

FYI: Some is not equal too all

SOME woman online run across SOME men online who are total douchebags

Because -SOME- woman online ran across -SOME- shitheads online, -ALL- men must be shitheads in their view, and -ALL- woman need protection against -ALL- men online

Because -SOME- woman are frankly too fucking braindead stupid to find the fucking mute function in their videogame, -ALL- people across the world for -ALL- gaming have to pay because of -SOME- woman's ignorance.

-SOME IS NOT EQUAL TOO ALL-

The only thing I can say for a fact, and this is me speaking solely alone, is that -ALL- feminists are retarded, and -ALL- feminists don't give a crap about men in the world, only woman in the world. I say this as a fact cause I have yet to see -ONE- thing a feminist done to promote equality between men and woman in this world, all they care about is exceptions for woman.
 

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FYI: Some is not equal too all

SOME woman online run across SOME men online who are total douchebags

Because -SOME- woman online ran across -SOME- shitheads online, -ALL- men must be shitheads in their view, and -ALL- woman need protection against -ALL- men online

Because -SOME- woman are frankly too fucking braindead stupid to find the fucking mute function in their videogame, -ALL- people across the world for -ALL- gaming have to pay because of -SOME- woman's ignorance.

-SOME IS NOT EQUAL TOO ALL-

The only thing I can say for a fact, and this is me speaking solely alone, is that -ALL- feminists are retarded, and -ALL- feminists don't give a crap about men in the world, only woman in the world. I say this as a fact cause I have yet to see -ONE- thing a feminist done to promote equality between men and woman in this world, all they care about is exceptions for woman.

We're talking about two completely different things at the moment, "FYI" :p
 

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We're talking about two completely different things at the moment, "FYI" :p

FYI: Way to invalidate my entire argument, and to think that -SOME- is equal too -ALL-

Feminist logic 101: Can't refute a point? Ignore/Invalidate it!
 

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Men aren't getting attacked for being men. Women do get attacked, insulted and threatened based solely on being a woman.

Check this site for evidence of what the typical female gamer has to put up with: http://fatuglyorslutty.com/
 

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Men aren't getting attacked for being men. Women do get attacked, insulted and threatened based solely on being a woman.

Check this site for evidence of what the typical female gamer has to put up with: http://fatuglyorslutty.com/

"Men don't get attacked for being men"

Too fat, too old, too bald, too skinny, too weak, not manly, dick too small..........

Wow, we sure got it made in the world!

Sexism and insulting comments is a two way street. You think men don't get harassed online?

I frankly don't give a flying -SHIT- about what "Type" of comments are being made towards men -OR- woman online. I don't see how a man being yelled at "You fucking faggot negro jew sandmonkey! I'm going to dance on your grave!" is less offensive then "Shut up and get in the kitchen!" to a woman.

They're BOTH EQUALLY OFFENSIVE, saying one is -MORE- offensive is feminist bullshit and feminists wanting exceptions online.

I've been called FAT all my fucking life, I don't demand the entire online community break down and cater to me. Why? Cause I got better things to do with my life then "Complain about all the meany people online!"

I had a woman on TF2 yesterday insult me after killing me saying "Haw, fucking owned you, shoved your dick up your ass", I didn't -RUN TO THE FUCKING PRESS- about how evil -ALL- woman online are. This was -ONE- woman making sexist remarks online, why should we change -ALL- gaming for what -ONE- person did?
 

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The worst thing that could happen is that people screaming obscenities are banned. Doesn't sound so bad to me.
 

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Men aren't getting attacked for being men. Women do get attacked, insulted and threatened based solely on being a woman.

Check this site for evidence of what the typical female gamer has to put up with: http://fatuglyorslutty.com/

And what do you think is discussed at, say bachlorette parties? Anytime you have a disproportionate amount of one sex, they will act like this towards the other sex.

Take comfort in the fact that the people sending those messages have probably never had a girlfriend in their entire life because they are 40, balding, fat, and live in their mother's basement.
 

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The worst thing that could happen is that people screaming obscenities are banned. Doesn't sound so bad to me.

Yeah, it totally makes sense that you get frustrated and mutter a "bad word" and get your account banned for it :p Maybe for those fuck'n gypsies who never say a fuck'n swear word :rolleyes:

I'm not against "be polite, no swearing, no abuse" rules, I however am against "zero tolerance" rules on things that are subjective and common place in day to day life anyway (like swearing).
 

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so, if i were to play XBOX live, and someone said 'youre suck a male', i could get them banned? yeah right
 

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And what do you think is discussed at, say bachlorette parties? Anytime you have a disproportionate amount of one sex, they will act like this towards the other sex.

Take comfort in the fact that the people sending those messages have probably never had a girlfriend in their entire life because they are 40, balding, fat, and live in their mother's basement.

.......

Did you just say that woman act like this in groups, just like men do, and then -DEFENDED- them by saying "Only men that complain about woman who gang on men are men that are 40, fat, balding and live in their mothers basement"

That woman who insult men aren't also fat, sagging, over 40 and live in their mothers basements?

If it is, please remove yourself from the human race, you have no valid opinions about life.
 

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The worst thing that could happen is that people screaming obscenities are banned. Doesn't sound so bad to me.

Amazing, huh? Being told to start acting like a half decent person somehow equates to "OMFG!!11! THE FEMINAZIS ARE THE THOUGHT POLICE!!!" :rolleyes:
 

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Amazing, huh? Being told to start acting like a half decent person somehow equates to "OMFG!!11! THE FEMINAZIS ARE THE THOUGHT POLICE!!!" :rolleyes:

Only femnazi's and "Woman's rights groups" gave a shit about this

Men don't, and still don't give a fuck about being insulted online at least, the majority don't.
 

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Only femnazi's and "Woman's rights groups" gave a shit about this

Men don't, and still don't give a fuck about being insulted online at least, the majority don't.

Yeah. Lets just pretend this isn't an issue. Let's do that and reinforce the stereotype that gamers are all just misogynistic morons. That'll be just GREAT for progressing the idea that games are also a form of art and story telling on top of alienating over 3 billion people on this planet. :rolleyes:
 

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Only femnazi's and "Woman's rights groups" gave a shit about this

Men don't, and still don't give a fuck about being insulted online at least, the majority don't.

Way to further the cause for men's rights by being a shining example.

Dude. Speak for yourself. You're making everyone else look bad just for being unfortunate enough to post on the same forum as you.

Don't want to get banned from XBox Live? Don't act like a shithead. Simple. Done.
 

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Way to further the cause for men's rights by being a shining example.

Dude. Speak for yourself. You're making everyone else look bad just for being unfortunate enough to post on the same forum as you.

Don't want to get banned from XBox Live? Don't act like a shithead. Simple. Done.

I don't understand how this is a bad thing at all. These people talk about gaming, competition and all that being the only thing that really matters and yet they're bitching and moaning over a new policy that comes down to "don't be a douche." Seriously?
 
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