34 Criminal Cases Tossed after Body Cam Footage Shows Cop Planting Drugs

Draax said:
"Gay ass shit"? What decade are we currently living in where people still use terminology like this? What I find even more disconcerting is that [H]ardOCP has no problem with use of archaic and unacceptable terminology, and I quote "no safe space here".
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Sounds like you need a safe space. :troll:
 
ob1 said:
Safe spaces? In a thread about a cop that got busted by his own camera planting evidence evidently. What I would be concerned about is the sheer amount of climate change deniers and Trump supporters here...
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Yup there sure are a whole lot of "winners" here.
 
capt_cope said:
It was a pretty fuckin stupid statement. Claiming the police show up to the wrong address and cause grave harm pretty often is ludicrous, we wouldn't have a police force if that were true.
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You claiming that 30% is the litmus test is fucking stupid.
Are you arguing it doesn't happen to often? Sometimes they even kill each other which is, special. This happened in my backyard.

His point was it happens too often. Which in a lot of people's opinion it does.
http://m.sfgate.com/crime/article/BART-police-officer-shot-dead-by-colleague-in-5163548.php
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news.../police-wrong-house-fatal-shooting/512434001/

Sometimes they get shot for doing it.
http://wavy.com/2014/07/15/man-charged-for-shooting-when-cops-went-to-wrong-house/


kirbyrj said:
If you read the article, the police were given the wrong location by the dispatcher (who took the call from a neighbor...see my above post). It's really no different than if someone tells you something at work that is wrong, you act accordingly, and then people try to blame you for the mistake. The only difference is that police have a very specific job to do, and they were investigating a felony burglary with the wrong information.
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If you actually read the article they weren't even given an address just a shitty description of a brick building. Did you even read the article? Going off descriptions of buildings probably isn't a good way to enter people's homes. Especially because they don't like to announce themselves so they can surprise someone. Even if it is the homeowner o_O
 
Draax said:
Are you going to be alright snowflake?
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You're complaining about the use of "gay ass" in something other than your preferred reference as male sodomy, but I'm the snowflake? How do you figure that one?
 
Krazy925 said:
If you actually read the article they weren't even given an address just a shitty description of a brick building. Did you even read the article? Going off descriptions of buildings probably isn't a good way to enter people's homes. Especially because they don't like to announce themselves so they can surprise someone. Even if it is the homeowner o_O
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I did read the article. Evidently you don't realize that location is not synonymous with address. The dispatcher gave a physical description matching the wrong street intersection IIRC.

They were going to a burglary in progress. It doesn't make sense to alert the suspect, especially if he might be armed.
 
TripleAgent77 said:
White child. Non-white cops. Why am I not surprised...
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Now it's about the race of the cops. Nice moving the goal posts.

kirbyrj said:
I did read the article. Evidently you don't realize that location is not synonymous with address. The dispatcher gave a physical description matching the wrong street intersection IIRC.

They were going to a burglary in progress. It doesn't make sense to alert the suspect, especially if he might be armed.
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So you walk into someone's house and start shooting? No wonder these guys shoot each other. Maybe they should have just gone into every brick building in a three block radius and started shooting :rolleyes:
 
Krazy925 said:
So you walk into someone's house and start shooting? No wonder these guys shoot each other. Maybe they should have just gone into every brick building in a three block radius and started shooting :rolleyes:
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Once again you are assuming that one example explains all of police behavior.
 
kirbyrj said:
Once again you are assuming that one example explains all of police behavior.
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One example? I can share tens or hundreds but I doubt it would change your mind. They probably shouldn't break into someone's house and start shooting without an confirmation of where they are.

I know that's a weird concept.
 
Krazy925 said:
You claiming that 30% is the litmus test is fucking stupid.
Are you arguing it doesn't happen to often? Sometimes they even kill each other which is, special. This happened in my backyard.

His point was it happens too often. Which in a lot of people's opinion it does.
http://m.sfgate.com/crime/article/BART-police-officer-shot-dead-by-colleague-in-5163548.php
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news.../police-wrong-house-fatal-shooting/512434001/

Sometimes they get shot for doing it.
http://wavy.com/2014/07/15/man-charged-for-shooting-when-cops-went-to-wrong-house/



If you actually read the article they weren't even given an address just a shitty description of a brick building. Did you even read the article? Going off descriptions of buildings probably isn't a good way to enter people's homes. Especially because they don't like to announce themselves so they can surprise someone. Even if it is the homeowner o_O
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Big difference between "too often" and "pretty often". Go ahead and tell us what qualifies as "pretty often" in your book. 1 in 100? 1 in 1000? 1 in 10000?

I'm not arguing that it doesn't happen too often, once is too often in my book. What annoys me are people who try to use something as statistically irrelevant as police showing up to the wrong address and shooting someone as justification for their childish views. Sorry, MOST police aren't racist / corrupt / whatver the flavor of the month is. Yes, there are bad cops. Yes, we should work towards eliminating bad cops. People who try to claim that MOST cops are corrupt / racist / anti-MLP just sound like complete idiots. Take a look at modern feminism, they've done an excellent job of generalizing themselves into oblivion (or is saying that a form of rape as well?)
 
lilbabycat said:
Reality: Cops found drugs, but not with cameras on. Because baltimore city is a complete shit-hole ...................................But you would too if you constantly saw the same people you absolutely knew were criminals getting away with everything they do, year after year. Not to mention the people that actually want to be City cops aren't exactly the best/brightest, they all move to county as soon as they do their 1-4 years.
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Catch 22 , almost. I don't doubt anything you are saying, I have never even been to Baltimore much less lived there to know firsthand what it's like. All I can say is taking short cuts is not how to fix a busted system. If these cops can't do it right and get convictions then they need to stay true and keep talking about what's broke to get it fixed. Doing it this way is not the way to fix it and only causes additional damage.
 
Teenyman45 said:
You mean you hope this guy gets prosecuted and convicted as well as every "officer" who assisted him along with those who were in the know but chose to keep silent.
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No, I mean I hope the office and those with him are properly investigated and the correct actions are taken based on the findings.

lilbabycat had a good point, it's entirely possible that the cops had a legitimate arrest and were doing some creative film work to make their case stronger because they believe that convictions are stacked against them.

Now I don't think this is right. I don't think this fixes a broken system. I just think there is a difference between manufacturing evidence that is actually legitimate evidence on a real criminal and falsifying evidence to convict an innocent person.

But if the investigation can't determine which is which, I think you'd have to go with the worst case on it and look at criminal charges.
 
capt_cope said:
Big difference between "too often" and "pretty often". Go ahead and tell us what qualifies as "pretty often" in your book. 1 in 100? 1 in 1000? 1 in 10000?

I'm not arguing that it doesn't happen too often, once is too often in my book. What annoys me are people who try to use something as statistically irrelevant as police showing up to the wrong address and shooting someone as justification for their childish views. Sorry, MOST police aren't racist / corrupt / whatver the flavor of the month is. Yes, there are bad cops. Yes, we should work towards eliminating bad cops. People who try to claim that MOST cops are corrupt / racist / anti-MLP just sound like complete idiots. Take a look at modern feminism, they've done an excellent job of generalizing themselves into oblivion (or is saying that a form of rape as well?)
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My whole point was them entering homes in a half cocked way shouldn't happen. Look at Minneapolis with those two dogs. It happens frequently, especially if you pay a little attention.

I never once tried to show the statitistics on it since they've never been centrally collected. We don't even have statistics nationally on police shootings that lead to loss of life.

We've just never bothered to gather the data.
 
"Creative" film work would still be evidence tampering and should still result in a firing, prosecution for crime committed, and presuming the prosecutor doesn't purposefully screw up the case a conviction with meaningful jail time.
 
Teenyman45 said:
"Creative" film work would still be evidence tampering and should still result in a firing, prosecution for crime committed, and presuming the prosecutor doesn't purposefully screw up the case a conviction with meaningful jail time.
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Funny. You want the police treated like everyone else, except when it comes to punishment. Then you want "meaningful jail time." A first offense case like this in Baltimore would maybe net the guy probation and a minor fine.
 
Krazy925 said:
One example? I can share tens or hundreds but I doubt it would change your mind. They probably shouldn't break into someone's house and start shooting without an confirmation of where they are.

I know that's a weird concept.
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Graham v. Connor
 
Krazy925 said:
Now it's about the race of the cops. Nice moving the goal posts.


So you walk into someone's house and start shooting? No wonder these guys shoot each other. Maybe they should have just gone into every brick building in a three block radius and started shooting :rolleyes:
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Nope, just pointing out the BS that this is the SOLE example anyone puts up of police being punished. Speaks for itself.
 
Krazy925 said:
Elaborate.
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That case involved, essentially, police officers using excessive force to arrest someone on, from the point of view of the police officer in question, 'suspicious' behaviour, when nothing the defendent has done was anywhere near the sort.

From what I understand, the defendent was getting orange juice, went into the store, saw the queue, immediately headed back out and drove off. The officer saw that (entering and quickly exiting), pulled the car over, arrested the defendent (using excessive force, per the defendent) until they got confirmation that nothing really happened, and they were let go.

This is a little different from entering the wrong house because they were given the wrong address, they saw the activity, and got the guy involved, just not involved in anything they thought they have been.

The case was ruled in favour of the officer, but set rules for "reasonableness".
 
chenw said:
That case involved, essentially, police officers using excessive force to arrest someone on, from the point of view of the police officer in question, 'suspicious' behaviour, when nothing the defendent has done was anywhere near the sort.

From what I understand, the defendent was getting orange juice, went into the store, saw the queue, immediately headed back out and drove off. The officer saw that (entering and quickly exiting), pulled the car over, arrested the defendent (using excessive force, per the defendent) until they got confirmation that nothing really happened, and they were let go.

This is a little different from entering the wrong house because they were given the wrong address, they saw the activity, and got the guy involved, just not involved in anything they thought they have been.

The case was ruled in favour of the officer, but set rules for "reasonableness".
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What does that have to do with shooting someone in their "castle"? Or a better question cameras?
 
lcpiper said:
Catch 22 , almost. I don't doubt anything you are saying, I have never even been to Baltimore much less lived there to know firsthand what it's like. All I can say is taking short cuts is not how to fix a busted system. If these cops can't do it right and get convictions then they need to stay true and keep talking about what's broke to get it fixed. Doing it this way is not the way to fix it and only causes additional damage.
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It can't be fixed. Law enforcement requires that a significant portion of society to police themselves, discourage criminal acts, and actively try to improve their situation. Unfortunately, for whatever reason you want to attribute it to, african americans are almost completely incapable of doing this. For the 1 out of the group that tries to escape the cycle, the rest pull them down. Its a shitty culture of anti-intellectualism, complete lack of self discipline, anti-fatherhood, pro-violence; fueled by liberal delusions of equality and unending handouts; with an ever-aging history of systematic racism used as the "argument ending" excuse, despite every other race in this country somehow being able to rise above similar conditions. Excuse me for sounding like a racist asshole, but that's what Baltimore has made me. Every year I get to pay for a little bit more of the pieces of shit downtown with rising taxes (I pay property taxes equal to a home double its value outside the city line, my water bill has tripled in a decade with more increases coming), while also watching surrounding areas get just a little bit shittier every year "absolutely mysteriously" with changing demographics. Throwing more money at the problem won't fix it. Doing more diversity hires or diversity management/oversight positions won't fix anything; in fact they're making things worse in when clearly unqualified people are given responsibilities beyond their capability, costing money/lives in the long run. Believing clearly bullshit stories that the stereotypical "didn't do nothing" and "he was a good boy" and "we try to take care of the community" come from won't fix the problem. But as long as human sympathy can be exploited, it will be; Baltimore is overwhelming democrat with extremely an extremely liberal population. We'd be Detroit 2.0 if Chicago wasn't already.

And as I said about the police, they're in a shit position, stuck trying to maintain a semblance of peace, while also having a not-insignificant part of their force that sympathizes with the inner-city mentality, while also often having their hands tied, while also being despised by the population because GOD FORBID they want to arrest your neighbor who sold your son heroin, which got him addicted, which caused him to rob a store, which caused him to get arrested five years ago. yeah, fuck the police, right?
 
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