34" 21:9 UltraWide Displays (3440x1440) - LG UM95/UM65 & Dell U3415W

Derkspector said:
As a guy who has a 4k as well as this one, the reason 4k uses MST isn't because of a controller it's because DP 1.2 and HDMI 1.4 can't push enough data fast enough. Nothing to do with controller's. DP 1.1 has no problem with 34X14
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DP 1.2 has enough bandwidth for 4K.

There are several 4K panels on the market now that are single controller and do not use MST.

Anyway it has everything to do with controllers - that's why it is called Multi Stream Transport. You have two separate TCONs and the data stream is fed into each one. There's no reason the LG would be using MST though, as you point out even DP 1.1 has enough bandwidth for 3440x1440.
 
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x3sphere said:
DP 1.2 has enough bandwidth for 4K.

There are several 4K panels on the market now that are single controller and do not use MST.

Anyway it has everything to do with controllers - that's why it is called Multi Stream Transport. You have two separate TCONs and the data stream is fed into each one. There's no reason the LG would be using MST though, as you point out even DP 1.1 has enough bandwidth for 3440x1440.
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those are only 30hz....for 60hz you need MST
 
I was finally able to see one in person at the local Fry's. I tried my best to see backlight bleed or even IPS glow on the distant corners but I just didn't see it (I guess getting old DOES have it's perks!). I tried to price match with B&H, but they wouldn't accept since it is listed as pre-order. I guess Fry's doesn't want my money.

For those owners out there: I'd love to see some "Productivity" screenshots. I was able to get 3 browser windows open with enough width, but I couldn't really try anything else since there was no software on the system fueling it. I've got 2 Dell U2412M's (1920x1200) right now and I'm curious how much it would add to my everyday work.

I'm really torn between the LG 34UM95 and a ROG Swift. Fry's has given me another reason to continue to mull it over!
 
x3sphere said:
No. But if it used separate controllers that means the display would be using some form of DisplayPort MST, which early 4K panels used to achieve 60 Hz. This is not necessary for 3440x1440 (better controllers have come out since and it's not necessary for 4K anymore either). Also, this LG doesn't suffer from any MST related issues, like booting to a half blank screen or not waking up on sleep.

Do you have links to any photos of this issue? That's quite strange really... I calibrated mine with an i1 Display Pro but even at stock settings it looks uniform as far as brightness / colors go across the entire panel.

As for the DP 1.2 issue, I turn mine off at night too. The flickering happened shortly after a cold boot but I cannot reproduce this anymore. Have updated my drivers since so that's why I thought they had something to do with it.
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Thanks, I updated NVIDIA drivers to the newest beta and we'll see how it goes.

On my set it's perfectly uniform too, but on his it was a straight line down the middle with totally different picture on each. Neither looked "off" just slightly diff brightness and color tones. I'm pretty sure it was in this thread early on when the first monitors were arriving, and I believe the consensus was "one of the controllers is faulty". Who knows if it's true, I was always under the impression it had 2 controllers.
 
x3sphere said:
DP 1.2 has enough bandwidth for 4K.

There are several 4K panels on the market now that are single controller and do not use MST.

Anyway it has everything to do with controllers - that's why it is called Multi Stream Transport. You have two separate TCONs and the data stream is fed into each one. There's no reason the LG would be using MST though, as you point out even DP 1.1 has enough bandwidth for 3440x1440.
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delete my post please, posted to wrong person
 
wiregen said:
I finally got a good 2nd display. I have these 2 stacked. My Ergotron Arms couldnt keep these beasts up. Pretty happy with the setup though!

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Driven by a Titan, HDMI on the top (Also thunderbolt for my MacBook Pro Retina) and the bottom Displayport
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Setup looks great. Question for ya, What is the name of the desk lamp that you have on your desk? I like how it looks and have been looking for one. How much did you pay?
 
GT98 said:
Well I placed an order for this yesterday, from the comments on amazon, someone was using it with their Macbook and it worked with the monitor. I still have no idea where the hell the Accell cable is even though it got shipped the 11th. I paid an extra $3 for overnight shipping so I'll have it today and hopefully 60hz frame rates too

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00C7RL33M/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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I got the cable in yesterday and it works great so far! I have 60hz and more resolutions to select from now to and it helps its black instead of white like the Accel cable that is floating in the mail some place.
 
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deepdesign said:
What is the name of the desk lamp that you have on your desk? I like how it looks and have been looking for one. How much did you pay?
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Looks like the TT-DL02. If you search LED desk lamp on Amazon, there are several very similar designs, ranging from $50 to $100+
 
AFD said:
Looks like the TT-DL02. If you search LED desk lamp on Amazon, there are several very similar designs, ranging from $50 to $100+
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just bought the lamp. maybe should of got piano black but went white. thanks.
 
Thanks for this thread. I just became aware of this monitor tonight. Thought about preordering from B&H when I couldn't find it on Amazon for less than $900, then I started comparing the 34UM95 and the 34UM95-P (still confused about the differences between those), then I started reading backwards in this thread and saw the bit about the 34UM95-P on Massdrop. If I can get one of these for $800 or even $850 with a 3 year warranty I think I may have to bite. The 34UM95-P product page says 1 year at B&H and 3 years at Newegg...but the Massdrop stated 3-year warranty would remove all doubt for me.

But, like every new monitor that comes out, this doesn't seem to be free of problems and I'm sort of wary about these odd issues that you guys are reporting. Will definitely stay tuned...
 
imyourzero said:
But, like every new monitor that comes out, this doesn't seem to be free of problems and I'm sort of wary about these odd issues that you guys are reporting. Will definitely stay tuned...
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True enough, but remember that people who have problems with a device with post much more frequently than someone who is happy and satisfied with it.

There is a reason this monitor is still so hard to find (thou not to bad now it seems) and that's because it's both revolutionary and evolutionary, that is a rare thing.

I have one and I love it. Don't think I'll be getting a ROG swift now since this one even has good latency for gaming.
 
Derkspector said:
True enough, but remember that people who have problems with a device with post much more frequently than someone who is happy and satisfied with it.

There is a reason this monitor is still so hard to find (thou not to bad now it seems) and that's because it's both revolutionary and evolutionary, that is a rare thing.

I have one and I love it. Don't think I'll be getting a ROG swift now since this one even has good latency for gaming.
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Have we decided what the best response time setting in the OSD is for inputlag?
 
Just placed my order from eBay (Newegg) - snagged it for 999 plus 7 bucks for econ. shipping. Im searcihng for a solid single arm to mount this baby on. Anyone have any ideas?

Can wait to rotate this baby and get some pinball in!

Also, I have a now aging box with an 8320, and a GTX I 680 I recieved in a trade for my previous monitor - I know Im not pushing ultra settings on this monitor with that card, but do you think the combo of the 8320 and the 680 can be good enough to get a combo of high with some ultra mixed in?
 
Zepharus said:
Have we decided what the best response time setting in the OSD is for inputlag?
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Default - Medium.

Prad tested it, High results in overshoot which makes motion worse. I can see the overshoot on the desktop with relative ease.
 
I apologize in advance for the lengthy post but I'd like some guidance here.

Derkspector said:
True enough, but remember that people who have problems with a device with post much more frequently than someone who is happy and satisfied with it.

There is a reason this monitor is still so hard to find (thou not to bad now it seems) and that's because it's both revolutionary and evolutionary, that is a rare thing.

I have one and I love it. Don't think I'll be getting a ROG swift now since this one even has good latency for gaming.
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Thanks for your reply. One thing to keep in mind though is that the Swift would allow gameplay at 120/144 Hz., which is significantly smoother and CRT-like than 60 Hz.

That's really my dilemma. Let me be frank and say that I'm totally satisfied with what I have now (more on that in a sec), but after reading about the 34UM95 and other monitors I have this overwhelming desire...almost a need to upgrade, or sidegrade or what have you.

My mainstay monitor up until the last 2 years has been a U3011. 30" IPS beauty. Love the size, love the desktop real estate, love the color, and love the fact that the aspect ratio is supported in just about any game.

Then I bought a Samsung S27A950D after reading about 120 Hz. a couple of years ago. I was skeptical before it arrived as it was a TN of course but holy cow...I'm not sure if I can say that I could never go back to 60 Hz., as I guess I could get used to it again, but I love the smoothness and fluidity that 120 Hz. gaming brought to the table and it would be difficult to give that up. No, the colors aren't as beautiful as my U3011 but I only really miss that that when I have the two powered on side by side and I'm looking at the desktop icons and what not. The Samsung's colors are fine for day to day use and the glossy panel makes them pop a little more. I don't have any complaints when gaming. Like the U3011, I love the fact that I can use this aspect ratio in pretty much any game without issue.

Since having the S27A950D I've used it as my main monitor because I don't mind trading color accuracy for the superbly smooth motion (**this is saying a lot because I used to be an IPS/VA whore thinking that I would NEVER use a TN panel again**), and I've kept my U3011 beside it just in case I want to go back to a higher resolution but honestly the thought of gaming at 60 Hz. again has kept me from using it much.

So, I'm happy with the current setup but I managed to narrow down my upgrade path to a few different options and I'm open to any feedback:

LG 34UM95
This is the one I'm most tempted to get because the thing is so darn impressive (both in terms of looks and specs) even though it'll likely be the most expensive and, in theory, the least compatible with games.

+ Do I even need to mention the looks? It's an extremely impressive looking display with a definite presence on your desktop.
+ I've thought long and hard about going to a triple monitor setup in the past to increase immersion while gaming, but I was always put off by the bezels and the high GPU requirements. The 34UM95 would allow me a fantastic compromise of extra widescreen, immersive, no-bezels-to-distract gaming, and moderate GPU requirements.
- I'm not sure how widely supported the 21:9 aspect ratio is, and I definitely don't want to end up playing a lot of games with black bars on the sides.
- No DVI-D means I'll be using DisplayPort to get the full capability and in my experience, DP tends to have more issues than DVI. Screens going black every now and then seems to be a fairly common occurrence, along with other abnormalities.

ROG Swift
Let's be realistic. As this is a 27" 60/120/144 Hz. monitor, the only real advantages I can see with this vs. keeping my S27A950D are the increased resolution and G-SYNC. Still, it looks sweet and I have no doubt that this thing will enable buttery smooth gaming.

BenQ BL3200PT/Samsung SD850/Acer/Dell/etc. (32" 2560x1440 class of monitors)
Another option I've been tossing around is to get one of these guys.

+ Price is a bit lower than 34UM95
+ Widely supported aspect ratio
+ 5" larger than my S27A950D and 2" larger than my U3011
+ Most if not all of these use a VA panel with deep, black blacks
- Although this is a fairly large screen, I don't know that it would be quite as immersing as the very wide 34UM95
- Latency, input lag and ghosting/blurring might be a little worse with these, though from what I've read these newer VA panels are much better than older ones.

LG 34UM65
+ Less expensive than 34UM95
+ DVI input
+ Easier to drive games with less than top-of-the-line GPUs
- I've read that the lower resolution can make browsing the web a chore due to scrolling and less content on the screen
- I think if I get this one I'll always wish that I had gone with the 34UM95, even if it's harder to drive.

4K monitor 32" or more in size
+ Obvious benefits to having a higher resolution on the desktop; more screen real estate
+ Obvious benefits to having a higher resolution in games (mitigates need for AA)
- Price, considering there isn't much 4k content at this time
- Steep GPU requirements, especially if you want to go triple monitor :eek:
- Tech is still evolving; cheaper and better panels will become available as 4k is more widely adopted
 
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I just got 1 in Denmark Europe, Box say May Rev01 the Monitor say May Rev00. :rolleyes:
Fired it up staying on a Black background and all look good until 30min in backlight appeard an really bad in the lower right corner as the monitor warm up. calibrated it with (i1 display pro) no diffrence.
I returnd it today to get a June model, i got a new one saying May Rev01 on the box so i did nok unbox it and returnd it back and got my money back. Will wait till this problem is fixt or another brand makes one. If there just where no backlight problems then this monitor rocks using 2x R290 crossfire
 
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I just got 1 in Denmark Europe, Box say May Rev01 the Monitor say May Rev00. :rolleyes:
Fired it up staying on a Black background and all look good until 30min in backlight appeard an really bad in the lower right corner as the monitor warm up. calibrated it with (i1 display pro) no diffrence.
I returnd it today to get a June model, i got a new one saying May Rev01 on the box so i did nok unbox it and returnd it back and got my money back. Will wait till this problem is fixt or another brand makes one. If there just where no backlight problems then this monitor rocks using 2x R290 crossfire
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I also bought mine in Denmark and I think they are all from the first batch. You have better chance to get a June one from overclock.co.uk or amazon.de. If you buy from amazon.de then it need to be from amazon and not their partner because most of them seems they been send back to them after people bought because of problem with the.

You can also just wait until august then we will see AOC version of this monitor.
 
imyourzero if you could swing it I'd get the 3440x1440 21:9 for desktop/apps, (or a 4k ips or VA at some point), and get the rog swift to put along side it for games. 3440x1440 with a 2560x1440 gaming monitor next to it would line up nicely resolution wise. 4k gives a lot more desktop/app real-estate though.
web-cyb.org 4k_21x9_2560x-27in-and-30in_1080p_same-ppi.jpg
Thats a lot of money however and could be used twd a good dual gpu setup rather than getting both $800+ monitors.

I have a samsung A750D and they do have great (lush, vibrant) color especially considering they are TN screens. I'm following this and the rog swift threads closely. Personally I can't go back to 60hz for 1st/3rd person games so the 3440x1440 would be a replacement for my 2560x1440 60hz desktop/app dedicated monitor if I ever decided to get one. A few isometric games would be fine on it though and the in game real-estate would be nice on them if supported (Path of Exile/diablo/torchlight type games, maybe LoL/Dota2, Age of Wonders III, might and magic VI, civ5 etc).
 
hello all,

is there any blu-ray player compatible that will play the blu-ray with the max resolution of 3440 x 1440 @ 50 Hz ?

thank you
 
elvn said:
4k gives a lot more desktop/app real-estate though.
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This picture is disingenuous at best; assuming constant PPI is questionable. For the majority of 4k screens in the 28-32" range, their usable resolution at the desktop or for office applications is about the same as a 1440p or 1600p monitor of the same size. You'll be running the 4k in High DPI mode or the text would be ludicrously small, and its physical size is the same.
 
DragonBlack888 said:
I also bought mine in Denmark and I think they are all from the first batch. You have better chance to get a June one from overclock.co.uk or amazon.de. If you buy from amazon.de then it need to be from amazon and not their partner because most of them seems they been send back to them after people bought because of problem with the.
You can also just wait until august then we will see AOC version of this monitor.
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Hi ya i told them to check some boxes and they did fine a June model But look it say Rev00 on the bottom right, so told them i will wait for a newer batch But they told me that the 50+ they have sold there where only 5 RMA an i was the first to complaing about Bleeding
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Got my LG from adorama couple of days ago. After setup, i did a backlight bleed test and i also have orange glow around the corners. Thinking about returning it considering the price tag that this monitor carries.
 
imyourzero said:
LG 34UM95
This is the one I'm most tempted to get because the thing is so darn impressive (both in terms of looks and specs) even though it'll likely be the most expensive and, in theory, the least compatible with games.

+ Do I even need to mention the looks? It's an extremely impressive looking display with a definite presence on your desktop.
+ I've thought long and hard about going to a triple monitor setup in the past to increase immersion while gaming, but I was always put off by the bezels and the high GPU requirements. The 34UM95 would allow me a fantastic compromise of extra widescreen, immersive, no-bezels-to-distract gaming, and moderate GPU requirements.
- I'm not sure how widely supported the 21:9 aspect ratio is, and I definitely don't want to end up playing a lot of games with black bars on the sides.
- No DVI-D means I'll be using DisplayPort to get the full capability and in my experience, DP tends to have more issues than DVI. Screens going black every now and then seems to be a fairly common occurrence, along with other abnormalities.
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I wouldn't worry about DP vs DVI-D. It sounds like the people who were having issues have either found settings that work or had their problems fixed by driver updates.

Also, don't get hung up on game compatibility. You don't have to use 100% of the screen for every game. Running at 2560x1440 without scaling on this monitor will give you the same exact real estate as just getting a 27" monitor to begin with. However, with the 34" you can take advantage of the extra space when you need it.

So the game compatibility shouldn't be a negative unless you're the kind of person who can't stand black bars on principle alone. But even then, you're handicapping your experience everywhere to eliminate black bars in a few corner cases.

imyourzero said:
ROG Swift
Let's be realistic. As this is a 27" 60/120/144 Hz. monitor, the only real advantages I can see with this vs. keeping my S27A950D are the increased resolution and G-SYNC. Still, it looks sweet and I have no doubt that this thing will enable buttery smooth gaming.
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You never really mentioned what your priorities or use cases were. If fluidity in games is your top priority, then pick this monitor.

imyourzero said:
BenQ BL3200PT/Samsung SD850/Acer/Dell/etc. (32" 2560x1440 class of monitors)
Another option I've been tossing around is to get one of these guys.

+ Price is a bit lower than 34UM95
+ Widely supported aspect ratio
+ 5" larger than my S27A950D and 2" larger than my U3011
+ Most if not all of these use a VA panel with deep, black blacks
- Although this is a fairly large screen, I don't know that it would be quite as immersing as the very wide 34UM95
- Latency, input lag and ghosting/blurring might be a little worse with these, though from what I've read these newer VA panels are much better than older ones.


LG 34UM65
+ Less expensive than 34UM95
+ DVI input
+ Easier to drive games with less than top-of-the-line GPUs
- I've read that the lower resolution can make browsing the web a chore due to scrolling and less content on the screen
- I think if I get this one I'll always wish that I had gone with the 34UM95, even if it's harder to drive.
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Personally, I find the dot pitch of these oversized screens to be a huge step backward. If you're after pure screen real estate at any resolution, then these are okay options. However, the huge dot pitch might get old quickly.

imyourzero said:
4k monitor 32" or more in size
+ Obvious benefits to having a higher resolution on the desktop; more screen real estate
+ Obvious benefits to having a higher resolution in games (mitigates need for AA)
- Price, considering there isn't much 4k content at this time
- Steep GPU requirements, especially if you want to go triple monitor :eek:
- Tech is still evolving; cheaper and better panels will become available as 4k is more widely adopted
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I don't even know why you're considering 4K monitors at the same time as the lower resolution and the large dot pitch monitors. These are on opposite ends of the spectrum and aren't really comparable.

4K support is painful on Windows at the moment, so I'd personally steer clear unless you have a good use case.

Really, it sounds like you need to evaluate your use cases first and then pick a monitor.
 
elvn said:
imyourzero if you could swing it I'd get the 3440x1440 21:9 for desktop/apps, (or a 4k ips or VA at some point), and get the rog swift to put along side it for games. 3440x1440 with a 2560x1440 gaming monitor next to it would line up nicely resolution wise. 4k gives a lot more desktop/app real-estate though.
web-cyb.org 4k_21x9_2560x-27in-and-30in_1080p_same-ppi.jpg
Thats a lot of money however and could be used twd a good dual gpu setup rather than getting both $800+ monitors.
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Thanks for your reply. That's an excellent point about the Swift being a better match for the 34UM95; I hadn't even thought of that. Although pricey, the Swift would truly be a better match than my current S27A950D with its 1080 vertical res. Good catch.

As for 4k, I actually meant to include that in my list of potential upgrades but I've edited my previous post and you can see why I'll likely hold off on that. I think that for ME, the 3440x1440 panel would be more impressive for gaming assuming that it's widely supported. My biggest worry is buying the 34UM95 and having to play games in a more common aspect ratio with black bars on the sides. I wish there was a website that listed what games fully support 21:9 aspect ratios so that I could get an idea of how much of my game collection would work.

It's not like it'd be my only monitor though, so I could always switch to the Swift or whatever else I have at the time, but assuming that games will use the full screen of the UM3495, the only time I can see not using it for gaming is for 120 Hz.

elvn said:
I have a samsung A750D and they do have great (lush, vibrant) color especially considering they are TN screens. I'm following this and the rog swift threads closely. Personally I can't go back to 60hz for 1st/3rd person games so the 3440x1440 would be a replacement for my 2560x1440 60hz desktop/app dedicated monitor if I ever decided to get one. A few isometric games would be fine on it though and the in game real-estate would be nice on them if supported (Path of Exile/diablo/torchlight type games, maybe LoL/Dota2, Age of Wonders III, might and magic VI, civ5 etc).
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Yeah, sounds like a solid plan. I'm hoping that I'll be able to enjoy 60 Hz. gaming again because unfortunately the 34UM95, the BenQ BL3200PT and the 4K monitors that I'd be looking at do not support 120 Hz. :(
 
Got mine yesterday from Amazon.es. June 2014, rev00. So far very satisfied with this monitor. Im coming from 24" IPS, but actually mainly used 13" laptop for the last year, so the wow effect is definetely present. Bigger than expected :). No backlight bleed. IPS glow is obvious but it doesn't bother me. Can't really say anything about the "speed" of this monitor since I only have 2500k with old GTX 260 and maximum refresh rate for the geforce is 40hz and for the hd3000 only 30hz :(. Getting a new PC in a month or so

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AgentQ said:
I wouldn't worry about DP vs DVI-D. It sounds like the people who were having issues have either found settings that work or had their problems fixed by driver updates.

Also, don't get hung up on game compatibility. You don't have to use 100% of the screen for every game. Running at 2560x1440 without scaling on this monitor will give you the same exact real estate as just getting a 27" monitor to begin with. However, with the 34" you can take advantage of the extra space when you need it.

So the game compatibility shouldn't be a negative unless you're the kind of person who can't stand black bars on principle alone. But even then, you're handicapping your experience everywhere to eliminate black bars in a few corner cases.
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Good points. Thanks, that eases my mind a bit. I really do want the 34UM95 but due to the fact that it maxes out at 60 Hz...(see below)

AgentQ said:
You never really mentioned what your priorities or use cases were. If fluidity in games is your top priority, then pick this monitor.
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Ideally, I do want to keep a 120+ Hz. monitor around also. I have really gotten used to the fluidity in games but I can't say with certain that it's my top priority until I witness games in action on the 34UM95. I really want the best of both worlds and I know that with monitors, like many things, it's all about compromise as there is no product that's the best at everything. Perhaps it's best if I keep my existing 120 Hz. monitor and, if after getting a 3440x1440 display I'm totally satisfied with how it handles gaming duty, there will be no need for the ROG Swift or any 120+ Hz. monitor. The only reason I'd get the Swift after buying a 3440x1440 monitor is so that the horizontal resolutions would match, like elvn pointed out.

AgentQ said:
Personally, I find the dot pitch of these oversized screens to be a huge step backward. If you're after pure screen real estate at any resolution, then these are okay options. However, the huge dot pitch might get old quickly.
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I hear you on that, but I used to use the Westinghouse 37" 1080p for my primary display and it was glorious. Yes, the text wasn't as sharp as a 4K or even a 27" 2560x1440 display (or even a 27" 1920x1080p display for that matter), but I was content with it. I've given a lot of thought to dot pitch and for me, a larger screen is more important to my gaming experience than an extremely fine dot pitch. That's why I like my U3011 just fine, but never had the desire to go to something like the U2711. I didn't want to give up size for dot pitch. Even though a smaller dot pitch is awesome for general Windows use and gaming due to reducing the need for AA, the larger screen is more important. I had thought about getting something like the Seiki 39" 4K display to have large size AND small dot pitch, but I read that it was limited to 30 Hz. (that might not be the case now).

I don't even know why you're considering 4K monitors at the same time as the lower resolution and the large dot pitch monitors. These are on opposite ends of the spectrum and aren't really comparable.

AgentQ said:
4K support is painful on Windows at the moment, so I'd personally steer clear unless you have a good use case.
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Yeah. I'm honestly not that interested in 4K at this point. I'm sure that I will make that move eventually, but I don't want to be an early adopter because I know they will just get better and cheaper with time. Also, 4K will gain dev support so that apps are more widely optimized for that resolution and more 4K content will be available and usable.

AgentQ said:
Really, it sounds like you need to evaluate your use cases first and then pick a monitor.
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See above. Ideally I want one monitor that could do it all (high res, 120+ Hz, TN response times with IPS colors and VA black levels, fully supported in every game, etc.) but don't we all? No product such as that exists so I see myself keeping at least two monitors that each have different strengths.
 
Bobalias_LeShay said:
This picture is disingenuous at best; assuming constant PPI is questionable. For the majority of 4k screens in the 28-32" range, their usable resolution at the desktop or for office applications is about the same as a 1440p or 1600p monitor of the same size. You'll be running the 4k in High DPI mode or the text would be ludicrously small, and its physical size is the same.
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The graphic was made as an apples to apples comparison of desktop/app(windows/viewports/toolboxes, etc) real-estate and at the same ppi for more 1:1 comparison of the added pixel/real-estate ratios. The 4k one at 108.8 ppi in the graphic would equate to a 40.8" diagonal 4k screen. My 17" 1080p laptop is 130ppi and I have no problem with default text sizes on it even when using it at desktop distances on a laptop stand. The equivalent 4k panel at my laptop's same 129.58 ppi would be exactly 34" diagonal. I don't consider the default text sizes ludicrously small at either of those ppi.

Do note that perceived ppi/pixel-sizes are also relative to your view distances of course. A 32" 3840x2160 would be 137.68 ppi. I'm not sure how far back I'd have to view my 129.58 ppi 17" laptop in order for it's perceived ppi to be ~ 137.68ppi, but I'd have no problem at all with a 34" diagonal or larger 4k screen for desktop/apps and it would in those cases be much larger desktop/app real-estate as the graphic shows via pixel count. Afaik there are 39" and 40" 4k tvs around too (seiki, samsung to name a few).

I'm not saying 4k of desktop is better than 21:9 3440x1440 for everyone's purposes, (especially if pairing with a 2560x1440 monitor) but it is a lot more desktop real-estate for a fact. In games it is actually less FoV, just higher pixel count (which means even more demanding on gpu) and at 16:9. You also have to compare panel types (TN, IPS, VA).
 
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Thanks, guys. I knew about WSGF, but unless there is a way to search or filter by aspect ratio it looks like I'm faced with clicking each game title to check the for 21:9 support. With nearly 500 games in my Steam library, that's a lot of clickin'. I was looking more for a specific subset like "The following games in List A natively support 21:9. These other games in List B can be made to support it with a hack or edit."
 
Yeah.. I would return that too.. Backlight bleeding on mine can only be seen in the incredibly dark scenes and the IPS glow masks it completely unless sitting from ~3 feet away, which isn't a normal viewing distance for a ~109 PPI monitor.

Brightest viewing conditions:
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Darkest viewing conditions:
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Just to give you an idea. It's a little worse in real life, camera won't even really pick it up fully though.
 
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