31.5" 2560x1440 165 Hz VA G-Sync - LG 32GK850G

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  1. JackCY

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    https://keepa.com/#!product/3-B017DG09WM

    Launched 769 EUR. Rare deals below 700. In 1Q it was at 799 then 724, and hovering in the middle of that for the next year. In 2018 after 2 years of product on shelves it's still at 675-750 EUR.
    It depends where you look and how much you cherry pick your links. The AUO M270DAN2.x especially with Gsync has not really moved much anywhere. A 10% drop if even that is laughable in 2 years when there were 3+ competing panels launched.

    You can do the same cherry picking with 32GK850G, some people paid 900+ EUR for it few months after launch yet if you wait for deals you can get it for 560 EUR. Meanwhile freesync variant with wider gamut and better saturation, adjustable sharpness (850G has unusable blur and no sharpness adjustment to fix it, OSD pop up bug on all units, ...) has not really moved in price at all, no deals, nothing, sitting at 550-599 EUR.

    No one should even be buying any TN monitors a while now, let alone stuff like PG278QR an overpriced to hell TN. Well unless you're a paid pro player or get it from a sponsor then sure I can understand why you would stick with TN.

    I don't play games below 90fps but to each their own. If you love consoles at 30fps and PC games at 60fps, well that's up to you.

    You don't need it, you need a $3000 one.
     
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  2. Compddd

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    Jack do you still recommend the 32GK850G?
     
  3. Fuzzy_3D

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    Something tells me "no" :rolleyes:

    I've been using it for months now and can't even see this "unusuable blur". The big bad "OSD bug" is just the controls popping up for 5 seconds at the bottom of the screen every 12 hours after powerup. If that's a deal breaker to you... good luck.
     
  4. JackCY

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    I would rather get 850F or PX329. The blur on 850G is real, I'm on Q3279VWFD8 right now and that one while not having any sharpness controls either has perfect neutral sharpness and perfect 2.2 gamma out of the box, it has way more fine detail in picture than 850G and that's even with it's more matte surface and 1350:1 or there about contrast. On 850G I can see the blur on text and image loses fine details, of course lagom sharpness test image reveals this easily, on Q3279VWFD8 the lagom sharpness image is one solid color as sharpness is perfect one of the most neutral I've seen yet and gamma is also near perfect and thus even inner circle doesn't stand out.

    850F has wider gamut which will help bring colors more out as 850G is washed out at it's large size and viewing angles, sRGB is not a problem but with a loss of saturation at angles it's quite bad compared to IPS of same size.
    850F has sharpness adjustment whether it works to set to neutral or not, don't know, couldn't get confirmation from those that had 850F, default seemed same blurry as 850G from photos I received. PX329 don't remember and don't know owners.
    OSD pop up every day gets annoying, best thing is it pops up and starts up the monitor even when all signal inputs are disconnected. As long as 850G is plugged into power the pop up will happen. It's ridiculous.

    If you must have Gsync sure 850G is usable but you gotta be OK with the blur, poor saturation at angles, smearing, ... and win a little lottery of quality and inversion issues.

    850F > PX329 (165Hz) > 650F/ 650G, probably.

    You don't have many other options really especially if you must have Gsync. XB270HU/T and other poor lottery AUO AHVA or 850G AUO VA. Or curved and I'm not touching curved again, can't use it for anything, stupid distorted image, all it does is cause panel defects and make the panel unsuitable for gaming, web/office, graphics, movies, ... at least for me.

    The price of all 100Hz+ monitors is steep considering the rather poor image quality and poor lottery they come with. 2-4x the price compared to <100Hz monitors...
    Samsung tries lately to bring the price down but they curved and ruined most of their panels :(

    I don't hate the 850G, it's a reasonable monitor at the right price but it does have it's unsolvable issues and some people will not use monitors with these issues.
     
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    Uh, no, I day 1'd that shit, and it was $800. You couldn't get it for less.
     
  6. AMD_Gamer

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    Does anyone have the FreeSync version of this monitor? I have an RX580 and trying to decide between the LG 32GK650F-B and the Asus MG279Q. I do some gaming and a lot of Amazon/NetFlix movie watching.
     
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    MG279Q is quite old and has the typical M270DAN2.x blurry image issus, was almost "defined" for this panel by this monitor since it was one of the first with it. Google "mg279q blurry" or blurry text, blurry image, it's easy to find.
    The blurry image is especially an issue on 27" 1440p as the PPI is high and text small at 100% Windows scaling. Looking at small blurry text is not fun. You might as well get XF270HUA or VG270UP (launched this autumn and not well available from many sellers), newer panel revisions with different mounting that has less BLB issues than PG279Q/MG279Q.

    On a similar note I just got a reply from Acer "peon": XV272U preliminary expected availability in Europe January 2019, they will miss their 2018 Q4 availability, wasn't hard to guess as monitors almost always miss their initial announced availability by 1Q. Will it have correct sharpness or at least an adjustable one... no one knows.

    If you want IPS 144Hz 27" there is only 1, AUO M270DAN2.x, I don't think anyone posted the code for VG270UP yet but seems only a refresh again. In every IPS 27" 1440p 144Hz you will find right now.
    If you want VA 144Hz 31.5"... flat... there is only this AUO M315DVR01: LG 32GK..., PX329, curved in EX3203R and Z321QU (Gsync).

    No size choice. Blur (of text and fine details) on 31.5" 32GK850G was more tolerable than on 27" XF270HUA at least on my units to me.
    You have to decide what is important to you: sharpness, response times, price, size, viewing angles, ...
     
  8. Digital Viper-X-

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    I wonder, what is this blur you keep talking about on text, is it on some? or all 850(Gsync models) I have mine next to a 27" 4k ips monitor, and I notice no text blurring at all
     
  9. JackCY

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    All 850G :( If you want to see it look closely for grayish pixels around black text on white background (pixel perfect text, no antialiased fonts or cleartype crap), on images with fine details if you know how sharp they are supposed to look (such as sand, grass, ...). It can also vary to some degree between units same as anything else. For a side by side comparison between C27HG70 and XF270HUA it is painfully obvious. 850G at least mine wasn't as bad to use as XF270HUA blur wise since pixels are bigger (lower PPI) but others said it was even worse (I tried the 850G despite that).

    This is my 32GK850G gallery.

    Easiest to check is to use lagom.nl sharpness test image. It's supposed to be a solid gray color, no rectangles or squares visible, based on what rectangles/square are darker/lighter one can determine if it's blurry or too sharp. When fine pattern squares are darker than rest it means monitor has blur and that is the case with 850G pictured below. Central circle is for gamma, when it all blends in including the circle a monitor has neutral sharpness and 2.2 gamma (This is the case with many older monitors that have sharpness adjustment or are neutral out of the box, Q3279VWFD8 looks perfect here).

    7zYlp0I.jpg

    Blur causes eye strain after weeks of use. If you only use your monitor 2-4h a day or already have eye sight issues, probably don't care or see it, notice a difference from good and bad sharpness monitor. If you have good eye sight and use a monitor a lot 8-16h a day, using a blurry monitor makes your eyes tired faster.

    Blur is also a little visible on close up pixel structure shots of text but you really gotta pay attention and it's not easy to see. Lagom sharpness test picture is the easiest to check, see it and share results with others.
     
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    I'll check when I get home, I hardly use black text on white background these days :) maybe that is the reason. I spend 10+ hours in front of monitors per day, 2-3 in front of the 850, and 8 at my workstation with 2 24" Lenovo 2452p
     
  11. JackCY

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    I use Total Commander that has black on light gray text (pixel perfect font, no cleartype or other antialiasing blurring in software) for it's tabs and menu, it's the easiest for me to see sharpness issues there right when I plug a monitor in and start using it, it will show over sharpening Z24i on default 4 sharpness and blur on XF270HUA and 32GK850G. Reading 27" 1440p blurry text is no fun, 31.5" 1440p probably a little less blurry is not as bad. Some people are fine with cleartype blur and modern blurry fonts, blurry Chrome fonts, text editors with blurry antialiased fonts, ... I'm not ok with that and having neutral or close to neutral sharpness is important for my eyes to use a monitor long term. People who use blurry text with cleartype, Chrome with it's font antialiasing smoothing blur and text editors with the same issue as Chrome will probably not care about the monitor having blurry image although there may be some that would actually prefer an oversharpened image to combat the in software text blur. Chrome used to be able to disable font smoothing but for a long time it doesn't allow it.
     
  12. Digital Viper-X-

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    Ahh, so it's something that you're particularly interested rather than a wide spread issue with users.
     
  13. IdiotInCharge

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    I think that the lower DPI is pretty apparent- but it's literally the only compromise in its size. At the same viewing distance, 1080p on 24" is perfect for me. 4k on 31.5" right next to it is a bit too tight, and 1440p on 27" (which this replaced) was just slightly too tight.

    And scaling sucks the big one, so I don't use it.
     
  14. JackCY

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    Depends, there are plenty returned 850G on OCN from others, some of which were indeed because of the blur, I tried it anyway and the blur is there though for me it was not as bad at least on my unit as some other were reporting. Would be nice to not have to check 10 million things for possible issue with monitors but it's how it is nowadays, if the monitor turns on it leaves factory and any other issues are dealt with in RMAs and returns. Like I said some people have good eyes, some don't or don't care to keep their good eye sight. There is some variance between units as well as with any other aspect of LCDs. I've had C27HG70 that was slow in response times as it's larger sibling = unusable while other 4 units were fine. XF270HUA that had viewing angles of a potato for an IPS while other 3 were fine. The quality variance with LCDs is pretty bad. Sharpness is definitely an issue caused by manufacturers and is not fault of the panel itself. It's a "software" issue in firmware or elsewhere in electronics controlling the panel. More fancy image processing often means they will screw up and mess with sharpness too. More simple displays that don't have much if any processing have often no sharpness issues. It's an unfortunate issue created by monitor maker's carelessness. Many office oriented monitors are probably fine or have sharpness adjustment to make them neutral. "Gaming" 100Hz+ monitors often lack these simple controls and tend to have sharpness of input image messed with.

    24" 1080p = 32" 1440p in PPI

    Best thing is reviewers don't really check or care about some of the LCD issues. Or may only mention them when excessive but won't do any comparisons or proof photos.

    With AUO M270DAN2.x based monitors blur is an issue since it's launch in 2014/15 and people commonly complain about blur and return those monitors because of it. Again not all have the same amount of blur, some models are more tolerable than others plus a general variance between units of the same model.
     
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  15. Will0w

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    Just to comment on these blur issues. I have BL3200PT which shows perfect gamma and sharpness on that lagom test and I also have LG32GK850G which does not (close but not quite).
    But both look the same to me when looking at texts on any font, size, color or background. Even when pushing my nose to the screen there is no difference in blurriness.
     
  16. elvn

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    You can use the sharpness filter in nvidia freestyle which is nvidia's easy mode built in reshade filters. In fact it's easy to oversharpen as it only needs a tiny bump. There are an array of other filters in freestyle too including color saturation which also only needs a slight bump on this monitor. Once enabling those this monitor really shines for gaming . Unfortunately freestyle does not work on the desktop, only rendering in games. (You can still bump the color saturation a bit in the nvidia drivers on the desktop but you can't use all of the other benefits in freestyle like sharpness) . I have two other monitors at my desk for desktop/app use (including directory opus as a file manager using medium-dark gray theme) and playing media. The ppi on this monitor is good for games especially considering the screen size and gpu demand required to get 100fps average or more in order to get appreciable benefits out of the high hz capability. You can also use some AA in different games (as long its not so much that your fps sinks below around 100fps average). The ppi isn't as crisp on desktop compared to my 43" 4k tcl or my old 27" 2560x1440 ips cinema display but with clear type enabled it is definitely usable as extra desktop real estate even with the aforementioned file browser's medium dark theme in which I can resize text on the fly with the mouse wheel. That said be sure you aren't undersizing your text in your file or web browser on this monitor. You can't make more pixels where there aren't any and the text will look bad/blurry if too tiny.

    So for a monitor more or less dedicated to gaming this monitor looks very good once you change the out of the box OSD settings, the nvidia digital vibrance bump, and the slight bump of freestyle tweaks applied in games if you prefer them. Specifically a tiny bump in sharpness and a small bump in color vibrance . I like to keep my nvidia desktop driver vibrance setting bumped slightly overall and then use freestyle mostly for sharpness and a few other tweaks depending on the game. Freestyle works globbaly or on a per-game basis so that different style games can be tweaked differently (a simpler game perhaps even more saturated, a darker game's gamma/contrast/brightness dialed in perfectly, etc). So once dialed in, this monitor becomes nicely saturated and crisp for gaming and don't forget that it has triple the contrast and black depth of non-fald IPS and TN gaming screens. It also outclasses all of the other modern gaming VA screens in motion and overdrive vs black trail/smear. The screen size is also so much better than a 27" er's or 21:9 34" er's - 13" height for games without being "out of bounds" like my 43" 60hz 4k. After using a 15" 4k laptop and a 27" hp at work I can't wait to get back to my regular pc setup and gaming on this monitor.

    I would not recommend the gk850g as heavy use as a desktop/app monitor but as a primary gaming monitor. My only real cons other than non-gaming usage scenario ppi (which is a pro imo on the gaming side resolution wise yielding higher fps/graphics settings) - is the sliim shadow/shift "gradient" at the extreme border on solid single bright color backgrounds (negligible at proper distance and when gaming or on typical photos and art, but visible if you are doing a desktop wallpaper slideshow with large solid single color fields e.g. white, yellow), and that I'd rather it was full glossy.

    Until a 32" or larger high density FALD with true hdr 1000+ at 4k with HDMI 2.1 for 4k 120hz native input, VRR, QFT, and 4:4:4 hdmi 2.1 bandwidth comes out and the next gen of gpus after this one with hdmi 2.1 and more power.. this monitor definitely fits the bill for me for gaming to hold me over without breaking bank big like the monitor I'm waiting for down the line.
     
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    This monitor is currently $486 sold by Amazon.com I just snagged one.
     
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    Checked out of curiosity. Sale must have ended as it shows up as $624.99 on amazon .. The freesync version is $429.99



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    Here are a few links about nvidia freestyle btw:

    https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforc...-fortnite-shadowplay-highlights-new-ansel-ui/

    Supported games (pretty much everything I play is on there I think):

    https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/geforce-experience/games/#ansel.html

    Reshade compatibility list by comparison fills in a lot of others... It's just so much easier with freestyle for the popular games it supports.
    https://reshade.me/compatibility
     
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    Since revisiting this thread I thought I'd give an update on my current settings, adjusted for desktop as well as I could in comparison to my two other monitors.
    There are some good images to tweak with here: https://testimages.org/ but you can find plenty elsewhere too.


    OSD
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    Game Mode: Gamer:1 ..
    OC off ..
    Black Stabilizer: Off ..
    Response Time: Faster ..
    Bright: 100 ..
    Contrast: 75 ..
    Gamma: Mode 3 ..
    Color Temp: Custom 37/35/46

    Nvidia Driver Panel
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    Display->
    AdjustDesktop Color Settings ---> DigitalVibrance: +52% (or more, but going higher will overfill and you'll lose more detail)


    I then use nvidia Freestyle (nvidias built in ez-mode reshade suite) to ...

    bump vibrance up a little more on certain games, and to
    add a sharpness filter to sharpen a tiny bit.
    You can also use freestyle to adjust contrast/gamma too
    which is nice for "dialing in" darker games to more applicable levels than the desktop settings.

     
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    I checked at 7am and bought it and by 11am the price was back to the regular $624.99 that it's been for awhile. Might have been a price mistake. $486 + tax was a steal!
     
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    How warm does it normally run? Does the gsync hardware/chip or any other parts get hot? I've read mixed opinions on this. I have no ac in the summertime and it will be on use almost 14 hours per day on avg.
     
  23. JackCY

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    $400 or $300 both are ridiculous compared to 600 EUR with tax in EU and not going down at all since launch (even Gsync rip off version was already lower momentarily).

    850G gets warm and you can feel the heat radiating from it a tiny bit at high/max brightness, I don't know what's up with VAs but all VAs I've tried always put out more heat than same size IPS monitors. They do consume more power than other LCD types. You can find power consumption figures in reviews and comparison sites.

    elvn: your settings look less than ideal, you're already dropping contrast via digital color adjustments. OC off also... why... you paid for 165Hz, use it, unless well all you do is watch movies and want 24Hz multiple, that's about the only excuse that makes sense. Response times differ, some units need the max OD some are better at one lower. Same with gamma. Using settings from some other monitor of the same model almost never works as the panels and calibrations differ.
     
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    Idk it would be neat to have a thermal imager pic of it. My current pc room is relatively small at the moment and I keep a pillar fan running in it all the time. Between my main pc rig with a hot running cpu model, dual gpu sli, this monitor, and a foreman grill-like onkyo 7.2 receiver on the far end of the desk in the corner of the room it's always warm in there.

    I keep central ac on in the summer with that room's heat exchanger slid wide open and a pillar fan on the opposite wall from the desk pushing air past the pc and out the door. Once the season gets cold enough I crack the window just an inch on occasion if I want the room to cool off. I keep a small plate sized silent low rpm usb powered round fan tray thing that flips up off a ring base on top of my onkyo receiver softly blowing across the top of it's grill. I also recently set up a bunch of spare fork utensils on top of the receiver as discouragement since I discovered the thinner of my two cats likes the heat and was laying on top of it (which could overheat the receiver and would prob end up polluting the inside of the receiver with cat hair). My pc case has a lot of fans and every processing unit is on it's own AiO water loop and push/pull fan mounted radiator.

    You could probably add a very silent usb fan to a monitor similarly to assist in evacuating heat from it.

    Removing hot air from all of those components only does so much if you are heating up the whole room and not introducing cooler air to the larger loop of the room itself. There is a reason server rooms and computer offices are air conditioned.

    A single room air conditioner is probably $200 - $300 for in an in window unit. A stand alone floor pillar model on wheels ported to the window like a dryer vent tube is probably a bit more ~ $300 - $400. So an air conditioner costs less than this monitor itself and less than some gpus. The electric per month varies per state but the worst heat of summer is probably 3 to 4 months of added electric cost there. You wouldn't have to keep the room "cold" either, just normalized and not overheated.
     
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    After making many adjustments and comparing test photos and a lot of high detail and high color wallpapers/art images across all three of my monitors -- my current settings look good to me for desktop images, on my panel and in my lighting conditions of course, and as I said in relation to my other two monitors. Beyond the OSD settings, I can adjust game's contrast , gamma, saturation, sharpness plus or minus that baseline on a per game basis to what I like with nvidia freestyle. It's very difficult to get whites looking white and color saturation to not be muted with this monitor on the desktop without having high brightness and fairly high contrast in the OSD and upping the digital vibrance a few percent in nvidia control panel. Any more vibrance bump than that will overfill/oversaturate much more and would lose considerable detail on rich colored objects.


    Modern VA gaming panels are really only good to 120hz before they start to lose it again and this has been confirmed in reviews so 144hz max is fine for me. I'm dialing most of my games in to 100fps or more if lucky so they rarely go over 140fps anyway and if they would too much I would cap them to avoid it. If you aren't getting 100fps average or better in your games you aren't getting anything out of 165hz anyway, especially with g-sync.


    Modern VA , Hz vs response times
    tftcentral review of gk850g, a modern gaming VA, in regard to response times vs Hz:
    Getting Better
    Not in the same Class as other VA
    And also live with smaller sizes.

    That said I use this monitor primarily for gaming duty so as long as games look colorful enough and sharp enough, and I can squeeze some higher black depth out of them, still have 100fps average or better and 120hz or better with variable hz at this size I'm pretty happy.
     
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    I swear on a mostly white screen the right side seems a slightly different shade of white than the left side of the screen. Am I insane or has anyone else ever noticed that on their 32GK850G?
     
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    Move your head sideways left and right and move it forward and back. You should see the shift shrink as you move away, and whichever side you move to left or right will look better when closer. At just under 2' the shift is pretty negligible when my eyes are centered on the screen. In regular content it's not really noticeable. On a pure bright solid color like bright white, I can see the darker gradient shadow frame on the very edges or corners (especially when turning my direct gaze to the edge or corners looking for it).

    I'll also add again that I find the whites very poor and impure on the desktop until I crank the brightness way up and and keep the contrast high, and it also requires that I adjust the RGB values. Until I do, it's very obvious with a different monitor on each side of this one.

    In games i can use freestyle to readjust my desktop baseline setting +/- and maybe add a little sharpness resulting in whatever looks the best to me on that particular game.

    Edit: Still want to be clear that I'm very happy with this monitor for playing games on. It looks very good. The increased contrast+black depth and the physical size is a nice upgrade from my pg278q rog swift.

    This will hold me over until a 2019+ hdmi 2.1 display is in full swing with high density FALD , HDR 1000+, p3 color, VRR, QFT , full 4:4:4 color at 4k 120hz native, larger than 27" 16:9 or 34" 21:9's ~13"height etc. Not worth breaking the bank more than this currently for my personal display roadmap.
     
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    My 850G was fairly uniform, it was one of the nicer LCDs I've seen, as long as you forget about viewing angles as those from regular viewing position of 75cm mess up the image hard. No issues with whites as far as I remember. AUO M270DAN2.x sure those are notorious for one side warm other side cold and all 4 I had did this. Most LCDs have some variance but with decent ones there is close to none observable <100 Kelvin color temperature difference.

    Contrast 70 is default and colors 50 default. Setting any color channel under 50 will result in digital loss of contrast, that's what elvn is doing with his weird settings and there have been others that did this contrast vs color levels hacking to get "finer" control such as colors near 100 but contrast 37 or so only to compensate. If you want to get 6500K balance you adjust 2 channels at most not all 3 and never go above 50 or you get clipping on default contrast. The only time to adjust all 3 is if you're sRGB calibrating but then it's a wrong monitor use to begin with, even XF270HUA has 6 axis color adjustments etc. which are much better suited when trying to calibrate colors overall. My 850G was fairly well calibrated if I remember right, no need to mess with color channel balance.

    850G tend to vary in their color calibration / temperature, gamma setting needed to get closest to 2.2 and in overdrive needed to be set for fastest response time without artifacts.
    Factory calibration of 850G is probably not the most reliable and even pro grade monitors solve this by offering hardware calibration and shipping with calibration tool as calibration does changes over time as well and no monitor will come calibrated perfect from factory and stay that way for long especially without initial long burn in.

    To me, personally, it's hard to justify spending +400 EUR on this LG again only to get double the refresh rate, endless smearing, worse viewing angles and desaturated half of the image due to viewing angles. VA monitor panels still have a long way to go to match their VA TV panel brethren :( those can be pretty nice for an LCD.
     
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    tftcentral "White point was a bit off (9%) and a bit too warm but not too hard to adjust through RGB changes,"

    /pcmonitors.info also adjusted their RGB values since they found their unit was too green

    rtings.com found theirs too blue

    monitornerds.com "the screen is a bit too warm for everyday use, so meticulous users might want to toy around with the various options in the OSD."

    I found mine very warm. (I don't like yellowed/green browned whites, flushed/red whites, or blueberry stain washload whites). It also had muted brightness compared to other monitors. I could use settings that keep it a lot darker overall but then it would be dim and especially far off from my other two monitors perceived brightness levels.

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    pcmonitors.info: "Following some minor tweaking using the flexible OSD, the monitor provided colour output that was rich and natural. The colour gamut was certainly not as generous as some models, but the overall colour delivery was far from washed out. "

    lim's cave review: " out of the box image quality is already very good but colors are not as good as on ips as well as on quantum dot monitors. I mean colors are not bad they are just not as good as on some other monitors."

    ign.com review
    "colors look very good although slightly undersaturated. "

    - That's where a few % digital vibrance can help on desktop/apps and images even though it is a trade-off, and especially in games using nvidia freestyle.



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    tftcentral:
    "Uniformity of the screen was moderate on this sample. The upper corners showed a drop in luminance by 20% in the most extreme measurements, down to 100 cd/m2 and the upper edge was a little darker than the lower and middle regions of the panel.
    Around 60% of the screen was within a 10% deviance of the centrally calibrated point. It's not a screen designed for any colour critical work so these variations are not likely to cause any problems. You shouldn't notice anything for the intended uses of gaming for instance."

    monitornerds.com " The corners are 15% darker than the center, but this flaw is forgivable since the screen is quite large."


    - Worthwhile trade-off for the black level increase for some of us. Personally I hope to never go back to non-FALD ips or TN contrast and black depth levels. VA TVs have much better I agree (usually around 5000:1 baseline but some also have FALD which makes a huge difference past that too). I'm eyeing the samsung Q9FN TV series follow up on hdmi 2.1 in 2019+ which should add 120hz native 4k input along with all of the other great features.

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    tftcentral and other site reviews of this monitor go into detail about the fact that while the fast, well implemented overdrive eliminates some of the worst middle transitions - black trailing and smearing are still introduced above 120hz on this monitor. The response time is good for a VA but...
    Even modern gaming VA's will smear/trail past 120fps~120hz. If the smearing bothers you you need to lower the refresh rate to 120hz. I'd also recommend capping the framerate just under that to 118 to avoid input lag using g-sync when/if the framerate goes above 120 actual during your frame rate average's roller coaster of frame rates. Some games supply their own frame rate cap in their settings which should have no input lag introduced, otherwise msi afterburner/rivatuner to frame rate cap is negligible too. So best use scenario vs blur as well as black trail smear would be to stay in the "sweet spot" of the monitor. Much under 100fps in a frame rate graph and you are dipping into low fps-hz sample and hold smearing blur. Much over 120fps-hz you are diving into black smearing and trailing and outpacing the VA response time.

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    For direct viewing use as a gaming monitor with a few tweaks this monitor can have pretty lush color, still maintain a lot deeper blacks and contrast level than a TN or IPS's 870 - 980:1 and .14, and is a very fun size to play on.

    It would be difficult for me to go back to ~13" display height and 1/3 or even 1/2 of the contrast and black depth I get with this monitor for gaming.
     
  30. JackCY

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    You don't have to quote reviews I've read them long ago, just share links to them if you want for others to find the reviews. You've missed playware:
    http://playwares.com/dpreview/55862022

    And this is probably the most comprehensive one, I don't remember name of the guy who reviews there but others know him from other sites and regard him well:
    https://4k-monitor.ru/reviews/obzor_lg_32gk850g/
    You can find extensive uniformity measurements there.

    Personally I don't care what reviewers who don't buy retail units think about cherry picked monitors they either keep or are otherwise profiting from reviewing. Often too scared to give an honest opinion especially a negative one in fear of losing free samples.

    rtings.com I think buys their from retail and you can suggest and vote on monitors for them to review. Lim's cave had some he bought but many are samples.

    The advice to lower refresh rate to 120Hz is a stupid myth made by TFTCentral. Doesn't help squat/anything and robs you from 24% of refresh rate.

    Some units are OK, well calibrated and uniform some are not, many also measure under 95% sRGB in case of 850G. This goes for any LCD.

    IPS has much better colors (of the whole screen that you see from 75cm) and viewing angles than VA, especially in monitor sized panels. The difference is still large even with Samsung VA (better color viewing angles than this AUO VA, less desaturation) on 27" where viewing angles don't play as big a role. Compared to IPS yes the AUO VA 31.5" is washed out, not in center of image sure but all the edges are annoyingly so.

    For viewing angle unbelievers rtings.com measures this and shows as comparable plots. And videos too.
     
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  31. bigbluefe

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    Very good post. It's so true. Consumer Reports style reviews and feedback from normal users should be the only information people take seriously. Every big site gets cherry picked EVERYTHING. Their "opinions" are useless.
     
  32. elvn

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    I understand how you feel about that and i always try to include finding verified owner reviews while doing research before buying anything. Home viewers don't have the hardware to complete several of the tests though either of course. The professional review sites do find intrinsic cons in many monitors so it's not all "Fake News!"

    The main point was that review sites experienced the same negatives of off whites, panel uniformity/shift, subdued color, and smear so i don't see how you found those units cherry picked unless they were picked to be rotten cherries. I linked most of those reviews in this thread already but they are easy to find. Just dumping links wouldn't show the repeated finds of each CON found about the monitor concisely as the long detailed reviews.

    I see the viewing angle bias and mentioned it several times as a trade-off (an acceptable con in exchange for other pros/gains) as well as quoting it from those reviews.

    You can claim over 120hz a myth if you want and keep driving past what your response time and overdrive can handle or maybe just ditch the monitor as an overall failure if you feel that way. It's your purchase. The smear/trailing on over 120hz max really not that bad especially if playing games that don't stay over 120fps but for someone who is complaining about smearing that negatively capping it is recommended.
     
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    There is of course PRAD.de as well: https://www.prad.de/testberichte/test-monitor-lg-32gk850g-b/
    The 650F, 850F, PX329 are much much harder to find reviewed if at all. Sadly PRAD doesn't make good response time measurements for out of blacks and not useful to see VA response time speeds.

    Not useless. I like their data which I can interpret myself as I know what to look for, what it should be like and not, their subjective opinion needs to be taken with a dash of salt but one reads enough reviews and you get at least a general idea about how the monitor may perform and it's possible issues. Of course reading user experiences is best as many reviews don't check for: image neutral sharpness, viewing angle issues, inversion issues - buzzing - pattern/object on one part of screen affecting other parts, burn in, important response times especially from black for VA, OD in VRR, dark gray uniformity, ... there are a lot of possible issues that one may not find investigated in reviews easily or at all.

    No review will give info about pixel, dust, BLB, excessive glow issues, ... lottery rates. And for some monitors with panels such as AUO M270DAN2.x and Samsung curved 27" 1440p 144Hz these are fairly astronomical at 90%+ chance of a bad unit. Monitor may get recommended by reviewers based on their working samples provided to them but users buying in retail then have to deal with returning as high as 10/10 I've seen people reporting due to defects.

    Users may often not have a fancy equipment but neither do all reviewers. There are many users that have tried multiple units from retail, I've had 4x XF270HUA, 5x C27HG70 and I could see for myself what a quality mess and huge variance there is between units of the same monitor :( There are others who tried even 10x of a single monitor trying to beat a poor quality lottery. Not many take comparable photos, almost no one. I do and can see the differences between units even when I don't have them all at once, often only 2-3 at most.

    You would have to have a poorly OD calibrated unit to see reduced smearing at 120Hz vs 144Hz+. You can measure this yourself at home on your unit, 120Hz vs 165Hz. Or even just by eyes see if there is improvement or not in smearing. I've tried all the refresh rates, OD levels and checked for smearing length, no improvement anywhere on my unit.

    This is probably one of the worst smearing real in game screenshots for VA panels (well dark horror games with pitch blacks and dark colors are gonna be even worse if you play those):

    tRMu9aMl.jpg

    Gallery with some more here: https://imgur.com/a/VvmSHrX

    Or for quick checking these work well too and are easy to modify to check other transitions, mostly based on Doom colors from screenshots etc.:
    https://www.testufo.com/chase#backg...ailing=482412&distance=256&pps=960&height=180
    https://www.testufo.com/chase#backg...ailing=244812&distance=256&pps=960&height=180
    https://www.testufo.com/chase#backg...ailing=122448&distance=256&pps=960&height=180
    https://www.testufo.com/chase#backg...ailing=000000&distance=256&pps=1920&height=-1
    https://www.testufo.com/ghosting#ba...tion=160&pps=960&graphics=bbufo.png&pursuit=1

    This one shows OD overshoot on Q3279VWFD8 even on OD OFF (not a true off as this preset is still OD on) but good luck finding about OD issue in reviews:
    https://www.testufo.com/chase#backg...ailing=040404&distance=256&pps=1920&height=-1

    Doom demo first starting rooms will show issues with response times and OD on most LCDs.
    Brighter uniform websites then any color calibration issues causing tints, viewing angle vs brightness issues, ...

    Checking monitors isn't hard but without automation and wanting to take photos for comparisons it does take a crap ton of time. That's why rtings automates what ever they can for their comparisons and scoring.

    This AUO VA 31.5" AUO_M315DVR01 is about as fast as Samsung 27" HG70 with OD. Which is one of the fastest monitor sized VAs but still way too slow for anything but casual with being OK to see smearing (long dark trails, colored trails, etc.) in games, movies, websites. It's a shame Samsung doesn't use their TV sized VA technology and OD tuning to make monitor sized panels, keep them flat, they would have a damn good VA panel for monitors.

    [H]OCP buys their GPUs right? And you can see what a quality lottery mess that turns out to be lately. It's much worse with monitors for a long long time. Even older LG IPS had color temperature issues, burn in lottery (leave a static image on screen for 1min then see it imprinted on everything for next 10min), ... no manufacturer or LCD type is immune.

    Hopefully new competition will slowly come from "smaller"/less known among normal people LCD/OLED makers to rival the AUO, Samsung, LG oligopoly which doesn't want to invest and improve monitor sized LCD panels anymore really.
     
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  34. JackCY

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    By the way this is how to get to service menu on LG with joystick:

     
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    FFS, many years later, same story, pick a compromise and live with it. I remember testing one of the first LED IPS next to the U2711 and they both had lots of weaknesses which became obvious.
    So fuck that, I'd rather get a bigger screen TV with VRR, VRR and 120Hz with Dp please. they will be far better bang for buck than the PC 'monitor' shitshow that is still a dumpster fire.
     
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    I agree and am looking toward a samsung Q9/Q9F/Q9FN 2019 model line continuation in 2019+ that should have hdmi 2.1 with 120hz native 4k, VRR, 480zone FALD, HDR 1000+, QFT, 4:4:4 HDR quantum dot filtered color, 120hz 4k, VA + FALD black depths and contrast, pretty low input lag on interpolation mode for consoles too relative to other tvs ("With Game Motion Plus enabled, input lag is 21.0 ms with 60 Hz interpolation, and 27.3 ms with 120 Hz interpolation."). Those samsungs are generally 65" (and over $2000) though so I'd have to rearrange my pc room for a more distant view of the display... which I'm more than willing to do for the feature set.



    The problem is nvidia has a monopoly on the high end gaming gpu segment and will prob skip on hdmi 2.1 for at least this whole gpu generation and likely only support g-sync rather than VRR for who knows how long after that. AMD gpus and xbox and samsung Q8 and Q9 series' already support VRR on hdmi 2.0b. The 65" nvidia BFG 4k hdr is rumored to be priced at $5k+ which is already $1700 more than the Q9 series' slot and it will prob be hdmi 2.0b and unable to do 4:4:4 over 98hz. That on top of the monopolistic high end gpu g-sync pricing. The nvidia fald monitors also have 384 zone vs 480 zone FALD on the samsungs, and the smaller nvidia fald hdr models reportedly have banding over 120hz too.

    I'm happy with the size and black level gain on this 32" LG to ride out my 1080ti gpus and my game backlog.
    I've become really tired of the poor black levels on ips and tn

    ...which are up to 2/3 less than a modern gaming VA and way less than a fald VA tv. VA tvs typically have around 5000:1 native contrast and go to 7000:1 - 10,000:1 to 19,000:1 or more in SDR (or the smaller ~ 13" tall nvidia fald IPS g-sync hdmi 2.0b models's 1000:1 to 8700:1 to 11,900:1 sdr) with dynamic FALD active depending on the model . I have a 43" TCL 4k 60hz VA next to the LG and might get a similar 43" VA for the other side on sale at some point too, then I'd have all VA on panels larger than my ips laptop and oled tablet and phone.
     
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    Just a quick note that I've enjoyed reading this thread as I'm in the market for a gaming monitor, but patient enough to see what the new year brings.

    JackCY, good to see you here.
     
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    Anyone figure out a way to manually put the monitor to sleep, or turn it off in a way that doesn't cause windows to disconnect it and shift all your icons and windows to another display? I'm guessing this is a DP issue as it doesn't happen when powering off DVI or HDMI displays.
     
  39. JackCY

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    What do you mean exactly? Multi monitor setup? The LG has a joystick and that is the only way to perform a soft off. I don't remember a hard off switch you gotta unplug power if you want hard off.
    Detection differs between ports, DP does love to detect when it is and not connected to anything, older worse connections may not.
     
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    So I found out today that if the power flickers for a moment while this monitor is soft-off, it turns on and stays on. Apparently our power blinked about 10 minutes after I left for work this morning and my monitor sat powered on, all day. All the more reason to finally invest in a UPS, I suppose. ~.~