3 Reasons Why Computers Will Drive Better Than You

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  1. HardOCP News

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    More than 10 million cars on the road today are powered by NVIDIA. Step into our booth in the North Hall of the Las Vegas Convention Center at the CES 2016 tradeshow and we’ll convince you that we’re just getting started. We’re not just focused on cars at this year’s CES. We’re focused on telling a story about how our technologies are helping automakers build smarter vehicles, fusing together next-generation sensors to give drivers new levels of confidence and, ultimately, give cars the intelligence to navigate for themselves.
     
  2. bbs lm-r

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    I'm expexting to be able to pop in Crysis into the head unit while the car drives me in the near future then.
     
  3. macksomerville

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    Ive been vocal about my desire to see this technology for a long time. For 99% of the usual day to day driving frustrations, automated technology, lane keeping, auto merge and proper signaling will remove so much fucking drama from the roadways. Hell once it reaches critical mass... think of driving the 405 without having to touch your fracking brakes once! No more stop and go, no more idiots cutting four lanes to exit in the gore point... NO MORE RUBBER NECKERS and Speed-Nannies!
     
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    it'd be funny if the neural network resulted in autonomous cars driving like Massholes.
     
  5. Skripka

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    It will also put a bunch of people out of work.

    Computer automatons are already capable of putting about 40-45% of humans out of work today if this stuff were put in place today like it could be. The Great Depression for example was "only" about 20% depending on who you listen to.
     
  6. M76

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    Just three?
    1. Computers don't have moods
    2. they're never "under the weather"
    3. they can calculate trajectories and the best course to avoid an accident million times faster than any human can, and not just swerve into the oncoming semi to avoid a much smaller accident
    4. they never get aggressive
    5. they don't retaliate and start brake checking because someone didn't get out of their way fast enough
    6. they'll always keep ample following distance
    7. they can judge precisely what speed is appropriate in any given conditions, making imposed speed limits obsolete
    8. computer controlled cars can communicate between each other, knowing the position and speed of every vehicle in it's proximity
     
  7. M76

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    You look at it wrong. Technology should put people out of work. We should be happy about it. It's the rules of the game that should be changed to accommodate for this change of technology. 40% of jobs displaced by technology? Then everyone should work 40% less. And where does the money come to pay for that? Well the money was always there, as the job that that 40% does is still being done, for free ( there are some maintenance and electricity costs, but that is marginal)
     
  8. Skripka

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    Yea...the problem with your Star Trek ideal.

    You don't eat unless you get small pieces of paper and then exchange them for food. You don't get small pieces of paper unless you "work". How did technology like automoviles work for horses who suddenly could have a substantially easier life? Did horses multiply and prosper, or are they practically an endangered species kept only alive for kid rides?

    40% of people suddenly won't have work or jobs. Which means things like eating or even maintaining the economy for the rest of those left with jobs is an economic problem. That is the problem. And no technology hasn't created tone of more jobs either. The US Census these days tracks hundreds of job titles...you have to get down the list to #33+ in rank of employed positions before you come to a job that didn't exist 100 years ago....the first 30+ jobs are all things doable by robots these days.
     
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    And a simple jamming device is all it will take to cause a huge pileup.

    What happens when a system fails on a car? I have personally driven a vehicle where as soon as the cruise control is turned on, it floors the gas pedal and never lets up.
     
  10. Skripka

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    You're presuming they're networked....AFAIK most of these self-driving jobbies use individual decision making logic rather than networking that can be jammed. The only way you're going to "jam" a fleet of independent robotic cars is with an EMP that fries their brains.
     
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    I can see how more autonomous cars would lead to less accidents. Probably won't be seeing this in mass production soon, since NHTSA is skeptical of them, but it seems promising in the future.

    Yeah, technology, although efficient, often takes away jobs. Heard that even McDonald's cashiers may lose their jobs to automatic cashier machines in the future.
     
  12. Skripka

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    Laugh all you want...but 40% of our employment and thereby consumer economy comes from delivery drivers, fast food, cashiers, baristas and the like.

    Our economic problems and unemployment problems now are nothing compared to what is coming....and that stock portfolio you were planning on retiring on is going to get murdered when the ripples occur. Put them out of work, and you won't be laughing.
     
  13. Rahh

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    Even if it hits the mass we will still see bad drivers. Maybe even a new form of bad drivers/speed demons and etc.. I'm all for this technology if done properly and autonomous vehicles/ taxi services would be great to see but they will never take the freedom of driving your own vehicle away nor would I want to see such a thing.
     
  14. Darunion

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    Agreed, Hopefully a road with autonomous cars could easily adapt to a human driver amidst them. It would also be nice if the cars could monitor drunk drivers and report it and provide tracking information to police. As much as we think cars like this would let drunks get home better, too many would "I dont need shome shtoopid car to drive me home" and do it anyways.
     
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    Clearly you can't comprehend what I wrote. The money in the system doesn't get less, because because 40% of jobs is no longer done by humans. The remaining 60% of jobs is done by people, everyone doing effectively 60% of the work as before.But the money distributed between the people will remain the same. So you'll work 24 hours a week, instead of 40, but get paid exactly the same. It's basic math.

    Instead what is happening now, is people get replaced by technology, and the wages go to the pockets of the 1%, instead of benefiting everyone. While this shit is going on, of course we think technology is bad, but it's not technology that is your enemy, it's the way the economy is wired, to maximize profit, instead of maximizing efficiency.
     
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    Actually...it is more like....these vehicles will be prohibitively expensive and most people cannot or will not afford them. Think Chevy Volt+ in terms of pricing to consumer. For as much as people joke about hybrids like Prius being everywhere...recent cars have very low market penetration IRL. All hybrids combined are only a few percent of the vehicles on roads.

    Odds are high that guy you read about getting shitfaced and wrapping his 1995 Toyota Corolla around a tree last night....cannot afford a self-driving car.
     
  17. Yakk

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    Hacking opportunities will be truly frightening.

    Other than that customized/tuned driving algorithms... Etc... Looks like it could be quite the show in the future.

    For those who can still generate income at any rate.
     
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    Except "everyone" isn't doing "effectively 60% of the work". All those 40% we are talking about, are out of work and not able to find any. And the rest are doing exactly the same amount of work as before. When suddenly nearly half the people are unemployed, they quit buying crap they don't need because they no longer have an income. Which YES does mean less money is in the system, 40% unemployment ripples back to causing consumer spending to drop, which ripples into loss of corporate profits, which make for more job cuts at the remaining employers. And corporate profit drops ripple back to your retirement fund. And so on. It is a wonderful example of a feedback loop.

    Further it ain't just the "low skill" stereotype jobs. Like baristas and fast food.

    The stock market used to be a place where 100s and 1000s of people had to go to manually transact stock purchases. These days the floor of the NYSE is literally just a movie set, Dow/NYSE/NASDAQ can all run just fine without what you see on TV. It is all just show. Bankers, accountants, stock analysts, manufacturing, hell even legal analysis....all doable far more reliably without human involvement and done far faster with modern computing power.


    The wild new future of technology isn't one where our lives are made easier...so much as a wild new future of hoping someone still wants to employ humans.
     
  19. DukenukemX

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    Nvidia AutoWorks will only work on Nvidia branded cars with Nvidia branded gasoline.
     
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    this. can't even trust them now to make sure the systems aren't hackable, and they are, how in the world can we trust them when the whole vehicle is automated.
     
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    Anyone noticed the PX2 is liquid cooled? doesn't bode well for shield tablets or consoles.

    On second thoughts maybe I'd like a liquid cooled shield tv.
     
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    First of all, it isn't "sudden". We have been losing jobs to technology for hundreds of years.
    Should we go back to picking cotton by hand?
    Maybe hand weaving cloth or digging ditches with a shovel?
    I don't know about you, but I'd rather be working on computers in a nice air conditioned office than picking cotton or shoveling horse stuff.

    A bigger problem for job losses is the artificial minimum wage increases. Here in California it's now $10/hour, and some cities have raised it to $15/hour. These high minimum wage laws are doing more to kill unskilled labor jobs than automation. Businesses are either shutting down, or laying people off and using more automation to try and keep their business open.
     
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    Yea that is likely the real outcome. I feel it will penetrate best as limos and mass transit. The upper class will get them just for fun. I will just drive my camry until the frame falls apart.
     
  24. lcpiper

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    But I LIKE driving.

    You give it up, I don't wana :D
     
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    Agressive uh, I'm aggressive, I'm 55, I've never had an accident.

    Idiots think aggressive is the problem, aggressive isn't the problem, aggressive isn't a negative driving trait. An aggressive driver is for the most part at least paying attention to what the fuck he is doing. It's not aggressive drivers that are texting, falling asleep, jamming up the passing lane while they drive side by side with a guy on their right.

    It's these clueless sheeple idiots that think that as they hog that passing lane and collect 20 cars behind them that they are fucking justified because they are doing the speed limit.

    Self-righteous, Holier-then-thou, inconsiderate assholes who are the ones driving others to rage. that's my response to people who think aggressive drivers are a problem on the roads.
     
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    I am 1000% for this, I personally hate driving now. There are too many idiots out there that either do not know how to drive at all, or get distracted by something simple like a leaf on the side of the road. If you take the human element out of driving, it will probably elevate a lot of traffic accidents/jams and most of all headaches from driving. Sign me up now!
     
  27. chaos4u

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    Tbere is no way that a computrr cab drive better than me... i am the avsoultebest driver out there i M watchin g cod ths other xrivers as itype this i weave nyaround the slower drivers.
    who are noy paying attentiom to what they are doing. like this idiot in feont of mw theight has been green for a whole 5 swconds and he aint gone yet. da,n incomming call gota take this ill brb. k can you belive this! so. eja k ass triesto ram me off the road unfreaking belivable oh well stupid co.puters and people are going to o ruin this world nustwqit and see. gotta go gotta text in my lunch order before i arriveto pick itup.

    sent from my iphone

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  28. HvyMtl

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    Your faith in the product, and coding, is disturbing...

    Remember the running joke of "if Microsoft built a car?" (It crashing every so often, driving very slow, etc.)

    So, the "brain" of your car will have to make a decision which may not be beneficial to you. Example: You are going to hit the bus full of 32 passengers, which may cause severe injury, or death, to an estimated 3 to 5 people. To prevent this, the car drives you off the side of the bridge, which may cause immediate death to the 1 passenger: You.

    Sound acceptable?
     
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    I think you're reading too much into it. Jobs for people who don't want to start their own business or work in IT are disappearing. But it's more of a switch to an IT-centric workplace than actually eliminating jobs. Right now it looks like the only jobs that will still exist in a few years are IT, skilled trades and mid-high end customer service (because there will never be a time where mid to high end establishments can automate their service).

    The stock market is a poor example because the majority of those jobs were very low-skill and the high-end stock market jobs still exist, they're just back at headquarters running statistical analysis rather than barking orders to the peons on the floor.

    The biggest issue is that we're moving to an IT-driven economy but don't have anywhere near the number of qualified people. If 50% of the students graduating from University were studying computer science, IT management, stats and math then we'd be in good shape. Right now 90% of those university degrees are in academic fields for which there are very few jobs such as sciences, history and geography. A undergrad degree in any of these disciplines is not very useful in landing you any kind of job and you're saddled with huge loans unless you happen to have rich parents.
     
  30. Darunion

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    Ethical decision making is what will prevent this system from becoming an everyday thing.
     
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    Heyyyy, it's a feature :D
     
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    IT ain't got a great future either, not unless you are a coder. Loaded Windows lately? You are a network god aren't you, even if you don't know a damn thing about networking Win7 set up my entire network, printer and all.

    More and more IT is becoming automated as well. You can set up a virtualized environment now where a developer can fill out a request form for a group a servers, a domain controller, a wsus server, a couple of sql servers, etc, and the system can deploy a VAPP with all of it, and a network to go with it, and it takes a couple of hours for it to be ready for use. IT people all know that business sees IT as overhead, a cost that reduces profit, IT is always seen as part of the negative just like salaries and paying for benefits. If they can reduce IT overhead they will, every time. And there are business trends that are all about reducing IT overhead because that product sells.

    There are still companies with standard IT staffing practices, but many are starting to grasp the new wave, hiring IT staffing firms to send in specialists who do all the heavy lifting so the company can hire lower skilled IT guys. But as soon as all that stuff can be automated or moved to cloud services, bye bye IT department, they'll keep one guy around for the little stuff ... maybe.

    So the new IT guy is getting hired on as a traveling gun, if he is good he get's the better work, if he is OK, average, he gets the leg work, if he isn't that good, seeya, wouldn't want to beya. Ronin for hire, IT mercs, that's where it's been headed for the last few years from what I have seen.
     
  33. Skripka

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    I read posts like this all the time...and can't help but wonder at the madness that makes people think this way. See:



    Attainment

    During the 2015–16 school year, colleges and universities are expected to award 952,000 associate's degrees; 1.8 million bachelor's degrees; 802,000 master's degrees; and 179,000 doctor's degrees (source). In 2012–13, postsecondary institutions awarded 966,000 certificates below the associate's degree level, 1.0 million associate's degrees, 1.8 million bachelor's degrees, 752,000 master's degrees, and 175,000 doctor's degrees (source).



    So...are there 2 million new or vacant IT jobs lying around unfilled every year? Because every year roughly 4 million people graduate and get a college degree of some sort. And for your statement to be remotely possible, it would take a yearly vacancy of 2 MILLION IT or IT related jobs. Where are these 2 million annual new vacancies? Oh that is right...there is nowhere near that many, and every year there are fewer positions as more jobs become automated or simply phased out and merged. Lay off the Kool-Aid mi amigo. If suddenly 50% of college graduates were in IT, then suddenly 50% of college grads would be unemployable in their field of study.
     
  34. [21CW]killerofall

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    This is an easy problem to solve.

    Rule 1: Car must stay on the road at all times.
    Rule 2: Avoid all collisions if avoidable without breaking rule 1, else minimize impact.

    These 2 rules will remove all ethical decisions.

    Note that these rules are not required if there are no human drivers as the only way an accident could occur without drivers would be due to mechanical failure, ie breaks failing, axle breaking, tire blowout, etc.
     
  35. Tuxon86

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    No you won't. You'll be paid for 24 hours and the investor will cash in the rest.
     
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    Actually we should be going back to manual labor. Less waste and over consumption, more equitable trade. Especially today that we have better workplace health norms and accident prevention. People would be in better physical shape too.
     
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    haha, exactly. And AMD cars will promise 750hp and 100mpg in marketing slides because they run on vegetable oil mixed with candycanes... but only 300hp and 32mpg IRL. And regular unleaded.
     
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    Company are also cutting back on IT position. My firm, one of the biggest tech and engineering firm in my country hasn't offered a permanent position for the last five year and are cutting post via attrition on the existing one. And this is after they got rid of the external consultant... More and more of what the IT were doing are now being transfered to the end users. The end users are being trained to self diagnose their problem and needs and to call for on site repair by the manufacturer of their computers or to buy new gear and software that are automatically installed without human intervention.

    My retirement is in 8 years and I may be the last batch to have had a permanent position. The rest will have to make do with temporary status and yearly evaluations.
     
  39. As the movie "Her" with Scarlette Johansen show us, complex jobs (like programming the robots, computers, and engineering) will still be there. A world where simple jobs are eliminated by machines leaves humans to more creative pursuits...like writing greeting cards for other people. Creative pursuits unfortunately is code speak for being poor. (Ever hear of the term "starving artist?")

    Remember when you could make a good career at the post office? The small mom and pop store? The clothing factory? The shoe factory? The assembly line like TV's, Tools & appliances? The automotive assembly line? All of these have been offshored and/or automated. While all of these were not great paying, they certainly paid better then the alternatives left (ie: Walmart)

    This will cause income to continue to stratify. It will make the difference between haves and have nots even worse as the required skill level to make a decent living keeps escalating.
     
  40. Skripka

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    Not for long. Humans are slow and error prone.

    Look at AMD's CPU design department...mostly computer designed as I understand. Computers focus better and do a consistently superior job with no expectation of pay or rest as opposed to humans. The days of humans being needed to write code ain't long for the world.

    Horses thought they'd be needed forever too.