28 - Core Intel Demo Questioned on Cooling

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  1. Kyle_Bennett

    Kyle_Bennett El Chingón Staff Member

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    We mentioned the 28-core CPU shown off at Intel's Computex keynote this morning, and immediately our eagle eyed HardForum readers picked up on the cooling in the systems shown on stage. Certainly the cooling was not shown on stage however. If you look you will see two huge leads running to the CPU "water blocks." It looks as though Intel was likely using some sort of chiller system on the quick demo, or perhaps even a phase-change system of types. Who knows? Dunno. Legit Reviews picked up on this as well, and have a few pics on their site of another one of these systems shown off at Computex as well, but it remains under question if there was any type of load on it.
     
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  3. DigitalGriffin

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    Would you call me crazy if I thought they were variants of 10nm Tremont glued together onto one massive die.

    That's about 280 watts dissapation.

    I just can't imagine 28 full scale processors on a single chip package
     
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    28 cores, available in Q4 if I heard the video correctly. Carrier, Rheem and others are gonna love this new cpu ...
     
  5. DigitalGriffin

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    Trust me, that is not going in white space.
     
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  6. Riccochet

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    phase change smoke'n'mirrors. :)
     
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    This chip runs on LGA 3647 socket so it is huge but, there are 22 core xeons that one can run on LGA 2011 v3 X99 chipset mobos with 50 megs of L3 goodness.. Interesting that intel is bringing this chip to HEDT. It's also running 6 channel DDR4.
    I guess AMD's threadripper lit a fire under their greedy asses :D
     
  8. Qthulu

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    It'll be a 2k + chip anyway with intels pricing..with a 800 mobo.
     
  9. EBound

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    That's the price point they're going after. This probably isn't being made for you.
     
  10. KazeoHin

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    Haha 2k? Try double that, or even triple. The Xeon equivalent is 8k
     
  11. Jim Kim

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    Upon further review the cooling reservoir only held 1 pint but the 3" lines held an additional gallon and a half.

    wAiT, this isn't the Nascar cheats thread?
     
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    Wow, the crap Intel is reduced to... Just wow. This doesn't look good... To anyone.
     
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    This is so pathetic but i know a few excited fanboys sadly.
     
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    Phasechange is quite likely unless they got 10nm working in a month or two.
     
  15. Kyle_Bennett

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    The fact that the board bridge chip requires a heatsink (passive though it may be) that huge inspires some rather pants-wetting terror on my part...

    Well, at least I never have to turn the heat on in my place again...
     
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    Intel has to play catch up to AMD. This happened before. Then intel came out with the core2duo.
     
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    This just reminded me of when nvidia came out at paxwell launch, claiming 2.1ghz ref cooler 1080 at 60°f or similar lol. Yeah with a kW of AC maybe..
    Still, at least they are trying to compete.
     
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    Here's some pics I found over at Tom's.

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    Now move along. . . .nothing to see here.
     
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    I love how they put a water reservoir in there, just for show.
     
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    Its possible that reservoir and pump are functional. Most of the chillers I have in that size have really weak pumps internally.
     
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    Bullshit was called and bullshit was proven. Not surprised
     
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    Is it OK to admit that the TR cooler got me a little hard?

    Them art deco lines make me feel kind of funny.

    Down there.
     
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    In August 2012, Jim Keller said to AMD "Want me to tell you how to catch Intel with their pants down?".
     
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    I will bet someone at Intel will be looking for work later this week. This is not just embarrassing for them, but HUMILIATING! They would have been better off just announcing and showing non-functional demos than trying to show this! Even if they needed external refrigeration, couldn't they have bought something....nice? There are PLENTY of people making compressor based refrigeration chillers for watercooling rigs...if they had anyone on the team with any experience in building chill rigs, they COULD have shown something that, while not mainstream, would have given the impression that there was some actual engineering involved in the creation of their prototype rig.

    AMD is going to capitalize on this horrible mistake, and in a BIG way!
     
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    Paul's Hardware gives a nice close up of the components and the mobo. Correction* 32 (4x8) pin power for the cpu. Apparently 32 phase power delivery. Absolutely insane.
     
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    It's still watercooled, using standard pumps, reservoirs and tubing...but running through a refrigeration unit instead of radiators. The wrapping on the tubes is to prevent condensation from forming. Half-assed doesn't begin to cover the methods used here.
     
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    Why don't they just require a 440v circuit while they are at it?
     
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    Jesus christ, talk about going to the extreme to try and one up amd and all they did was showcase a totally unrealistic system with cooling for a nuclear power plant.
     
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    Setting aside the extreme cooling rig and the dubious ability of a home used to get anything close to that, at least this motherboard still looks like a purposefully engineered single socket board. The Asus Dominus board over at Techpowerup looks like a dual socket board that had the second socket ripped off of it.

    You also know that if AMD didn't have a 32 core Threadripper waiting that Intel would have probably cut down to half or a mere third the number of PCIe lanes on anything less than the full 28 core chip.
     
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    just a little bit different in the cooling solutions
     
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  35. Putz

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    pretty sure AMD just kicked intel in the balls
     
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    Seeing those two pics next to each other is hilarious. I thought that white cube next to Intel motherboard was for the beer. You know for the build a bad ass PC party. Nope!

    You could hold the 32core Threadripper cooler in one hand AND your beer in the other.

    Well played AMD.
     
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  37. nutzo

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    Let me know when they have something that can be air cooled, with a quite/low speed fan.

    I lowered the speed on my current system to 4.8 Ghz. No difference in speed for 99% of what I run.

    CPU/Case fans are now almost silent. Even under full load, I can barely hear the CPU fan.

    Maybe I'm just getting old, but I now find peace and quiet more important than a few percent in a benchmark.
     
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    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah....(takes breath).....Hahahahahahahaahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahaaaaha.. ahahah... hah... oh, this is just classic.

    Where's the marketing espionage these days??? How did Intel not know AMD would show up with an air-cooled 32-core TR? No dedication anymore to the corporate black arts.
     
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    Looks like one of the kids didn't finish their assignment in time... But seriously, it'll be in interesting to see what clock speeds and cooling intel actually ships with. That AMD cooler looks pretty sweet though. Bet that thing is super heavy.
     
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