alphaqforever247 said:what is the viewable area in inches goining from side too side and up and down???
It's about 230 square inches.
18.98 inches by 12.13 inches
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alphaqforever247 said:what is the viewable area in inches goining from side too side and up and down???
alphaqforever247 said:what is the viewable area in inches goining from side too side and up and down???
yep, the best one ever made...Owskie said:is this one of the best CRT's or something?
Foe-hammer said:Image looks good.
While my brightness didn't change at all, i think the color saturation and vibrance was improved and darkened.....i think.
Nope.XAleX360 said:I noticed only now this post.
So the update kinda improved things over the past.
Would you change something in your color guide, FoeHammer, now that things slightly changed?
Foe-hammer said:Nope.
Just remember to have all three of your color gains maxed at 100, then your color biases will vary according to you monitor; particularily your green and red, while your blue will be around 70-75.
What i meant was apon further testing with other monitors, the color biases will vary according to your monitor. You are going to have to mess with them and see what looks best on your monitor. The color biases number setting that i gave are what looks best on my monitor. Yours will probably be different, but that should be a good starting point for you and you can tweak it from there. Just make sure you have all three color gains maxed out at 100.XAleX360 said:I don't get it.
You said
"7) Now go to the Color Bias and turn up the Red to 55, the Green down to 43, and the Blue Color Bias turn it up to 74. This will give the best, rich, most vibrant picture possible."
What does it mean that they vary according to my monitor?Shouldn't I set them manually?
Oh, forget about that RGB question, of course I was trying the component cable that comes with premium 360.
With these settings+the update do you think we pretty much solved the problem?
No, I said that I saw component connected to 360(on a TV) and I loved the colors. I asked if VGA on FW900 with proper tweaks and the June update reaches such greatness(obviously packed with VGA's unique definition).Foe-hammer said:What i meant was apon further testing with other monitors, the color biases will vary according to your monitor. You are going to have to mess with them and see what looks best on your monitor. The color biases number setting that i gave are what looks best on my monitor. Yours will probably be different, but that should be a good starting point for you and you can tweak it from there. Just make sure you have all three color gains maxed out at 100.
Component? The fw900 does not accept component. This is vor RGB. Set them manually? That is the only way to do this; from the monitors onboard OSD. Not quite sure what you are asking?
XAleX360 said:No, I said that I saw component connected to 360(on a TV) and I loved the colors. I asked if VGA on FW900 with proper tweaks and the June update reaches such greatness(obviously packed with VGA's unique definition).
mathesar said:Unfortunately the VGA output on 360 is less colorful and still slightly faded when compared to Component on a TV ..at least this is my experiance when comparing my FW900 vs. Sony XBR960 HDTV.
Depends. With manually adjusting the color gains and biases on the OSD, and using winDAS to crank the hell out of the contrast, the colors are better, more accurate and more vibrant then what you'll get on any HDTV via component. Not to mention the superior detail that you'll get regardless with vga compared to component.XAleX360 said:No, I said that I saw component connected to 360(on a TV) and I loved the colors. I asked if VGA on FW900 with proper tweaks and the June update reaches such greatness(obviously packed with VGA's unique definition).
Foe-hammer said:Depends. With manually adjusting the color gains and biases on the OSD, and using winDAS to crank the hell out of the contrast, the colors are better, more accurate and more vibrant then what you'll get on any HDTV via component. Not to mention the superior detail that you'll get regardless with vga compared to component.
Yesterday i manually went through the 'white balance test' via winDAS on my HP fw900 to try and get more contrast out of the monitor (i had previously had the 'DRIVE_MAX' maxed out at 255). Deetox mentioned earlier that if you increased the 'C_MAX_B_MAX' that it would increase the contrast ten fold. I tried this earlier but could not get it to save. So i manually went through the 'white balance test' and forced my monitor to increase its 'C_MAX_B_MAX' from 99 to 255. And let me tell you what a difference it made! 360 games are absolutely beautiful on it. For regular use on a PC, i have to decrease the contrast to 65. Anything over 65 causes 'blum' on the PC, but with the xbox this is not the case.
I posted these pictures earlier on in this thread. The images are from when i had already manually adjusted the monitors color 'biases' and 'gains', and increased the contrast via winDAS by increaseing the DRIVE_MAX. I have since then recently increased the contrast more by increasing the C_MAX_B_MAX via winDAS.XAleX360 said:Can you post some screens?
Thanks for the support btw. What do you think on 1080p anyway? Does it suck still?
Foe-hammer said:I posted these pictures earlier on in this thread. The images are from when i had already manually adjusted the monitors color 'biases' and 'gains', and increased the contrast via winDAS by increaseing the DRIVE_MAX. I have since then recently increased the contrast more by increasing the C_MAX_B_MAX via winDAS.
As far as 1080p goes, i do not use it unless i have too (i only use it for watching 1080p HD-DVD's, and use 1280x1024 widescreen for games). The problem is that 1080p is cropped on both sides of the screen no matter how you adjust it. You miss about 1/2" on both sides of the screen; 1" total. Also on the far left side there is a clear 3/16" distortion that runs all the way down the screen, and on the far right side there is a thin white line that runs all the way down. It's not too much of a problem for movies, but for games i hate to lose that many pixels of peripheral vision.
XAleX360 said:@Mathesar: yeah, but XBR960 costs 2200$.
Still, FW900 compares very well, and this is astounding for a 2000 year-technology-monitor.
P.S.: how much did those screenshots got darker after the June update, Foe?
mathesar said:Dont get me wrong the FW900 is an amazing CRT for PC and the 360 looks very good on it .. I just wish Microsoft would let the user tweak the VGA output (gamma / color / brightness). For example on my PC I have Digital Vibrance enabled (low setting) in my videocard options which boosts the overall color saturation, plus i have the gamma boosted slightly.
No. You cannot convert HDMI digital to vga analog with a simple adapter. You'd have to get an expensive transcoder ($300-400) to do that.ellover009 said:Here comes the hate, is there any way I can get my PS3 running on the fw900? I was thinking of HDMI converted to DVI the problem is I need a female DVI converter to VGA, would this work at all?
Jenova said:What are some of your settings for brightness and contrast?
my brightness is set to 36, while contrast is 70.
Foe-hammer said:No. You cannot convert HDMI digital to vga analog with a simple adapter. You'd have to get an expensive transcoder ($300-400) to do that.
The other way is convert component to vga with a transcoder that would be a lot less expensive ($50-80).
The major improvement was only in contrast. With more contrast i'm able to reduce the brightness to give me a rich, dark black. And in so doing so the colors are more vibrant and rich. I just love having more contrast.XAleX360 said:Yeah I already saw those, I asked to post the new one 'cause you said you had a major improvement in 360 games.
Why don't you use 1280x1024?Games are rendered at 720p, 1280x1024 is 4:3 also.
P.S.: how much did those screenshots got darker after the June update, Foe?
PS2 component cables (not composite) will work on the PS3.ellover009 said:Thanks a lot man, this means it won't be cost effective for me, I got the HDMI cables, but getting the transcoder means I would have to purchase composite cables and sony has yet to release official ones, I think they are letting monster cable sell them for them wich are really overpriced at around $60.
There are two ABL variables on the fw900. One is the ABL_CONT_LIMIT, and the other is the ABL_SHUTDOWN. They both are related to eachother. The ABL_CONT_LIMIT determins how bright (contrast) of whites will be displayed on screen until it will automatically darken the white screen for you. The ABL_SHUTDOWN has to do with if the ABL_CONT_LIMIT value exceeds ABL_SHUTDOWN value, then it will shut down the monitor. The whole purpose for this has to do with harmful radiation caused by the monitor, thereby there is a auto prevent method to keep it from exceeding harmful levels.Shotglass said:the failure log on my fw900 tells me that theres an abl error which causes problems while powering up (somethimes it just wont turn on)
any ideas on how to diagnose what exactly causes the error ?
Foe-hammer said:There is a 1280x1024 WIDESCREEN option for the 360 vga. I use this resolution over 1280x720 because it gets rid of the scanlines.
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No, not the black bars that are on top and bottom of a 4:3 monitor for widescreen content. Scanlines are the hundreds of black lines that run horizontally across the screen on crt monitors. They are very noticable a low resolutions, such as 640x480. But i can still notice them in 720p. They make the picture look grainy and less colorful.XAleX360 said:Scanlines?
Do you mean black bars?I thought there would simply be a distortion from 1280x720 to 1280x800(16:10 equivalent).
I am using 1280x1024 widescreen too on my actual 4:3 CRT monitor, but it is quite a distortion. I got used to it, but in sports games it is odd. I thought with this widescreen one the distortion would have been a lot less evident...
Foe-hammer said:No, not the black bars that are on top and bottom of a 4:3 monitor for widescreen content. Scanlines are the hundreds of black lines that run horizontally across the screen on crt monitors. They are very noticable a low resolutions, such as 640x480. But i can still notice them in 720p. They make the picture look grainy and less colorful.
1280x1024 is technically 4:3. But 1280x1024 widescreen for the 360 is 16:9 ratio, somehow. I have it streched to fill the 16:10 ratio of my fw900 monitor, and the distoration/stretching (16:9 content streched to 16:10) is minimal. To strech a 16:9 image to fill a 4:3 image would be horrible. I don't know how you could stand it.
If you want a perfect 16:9 ratio on a 16:10 monitor, then of course you will have black bars on top and bottom. About 3/4" black bar on top and another on bottom, on the fw900. To make it fill the entire fw900 screen you will have to manually adjust it like you would normally on any other pc monitor.XAleX360 said:There are no black bars at 720p on FW900, then?
On scanlines...You do notice them at 1280x720 but you don't at 1280x1024? There shouldn't be much difference.
Also, native resolution should be better, and it is 1280x720.
Anyway, do we have to stretch the the image manually on the FW900 or is there some automatic sort of thing?Reading the manual that I found on Sony's website I understand that it should be manual, though.
Foe-hammer said:If you want a perfect 16:9 ratio on a 16:10 monitor, then of course you will have black bars on top and bottom. About 3/4" black bar on top and another on bottom, on the fw900. To make it fill the entire fw900 screen you will have to manually adjust it like you would normally on any other pc monitor.
Yes it is noticeable. Pixel spacing from eachother is noticeable in 720p, whereas it is not in 1280x1024 widescreen (i suspect that the 360's 1280x1024 widescreen is actually a higher resolution then normal 1280x1024 res). The V. freq. for 1280x1024 widescreen is much higher then 720p, and almost exactly the same as 1080p (only 2Hz difference, whereas there is over 20Hz difference between 720p).
Why should native be better? The 360 has a very advanced upscaler that does an excellent job. The only time you really need to worry about native resolution if if you have an LCD (matching an LCD's native resolution is much more important with it's fixed pixels then with a CRT), or when the upscaler on the console or TV does a poor job; most HDTV upscalers do not do an adequate job at upscaling games.
Foe-hammer said:There are two ABL variables on the fw900. One is the ABL_CONT_LIMIT, and the other is the ABL_SHUTDOWN. They both are related to eachother. The ABL_CONT_LIMIT determins how bright (contrast) of whites will be displayed on screen until it will automatically darken the white screen for you. The ABL_SHUTDOWN has to do with if the ABL_CONT_LIMIT value exceeds ABL_SHUTDOWN value, then it will shut down the monitor. The whole purpose for this has to do with harmful radiation caused by the monitor, thereby there is a auto prevent method to keep it from exceeding harmful levels.
You can fix this with winDAS and interface cable. Just see what you values are for ABL_SHUTDOWN and ABL_CONT_LIMIT, and change them to something like 125 and 150 (ABL_SHUTDOWN being the 150).