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No,there isn't input lag,i tested it with SMTT 2.0

Great thanks for testing!

Can't wait for these to get fixed to order one.

If I could fix it myself I would, anyone wanna offer their services? Anyone think Delock will fix them?
 
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So having not kept up with this thread that much, what's the story? Delock is making that adapter we talked about, but it's fucked up? And there's a way to fix it? Did I get that right?
 

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The story is that Delock asked the manufacturer (the usual factory in Shenzen) to make the adapters like my first sample,but for the final version they chose the new design with their new logo and that fucking golden connector which seems to be a shit.
Etienne51 changed all the cable and it works well,i don't know if the problem is only the connector or all the cable,next week i will test two samples and i have in mind some experiments to do,i sent a report to Delock and i am waiting for an answer.
 

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SO where is the best store to order the 1.2a display port version to USA? I plan to buy one or two and sending one to Moome to test.
 

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I don't know if it is available on USA market,you need to search for Delock 62967.
In Europe the best store for this adapter is jacob.de,joevt in previous pages suggested to use a service like Borderlinx for shipping to USA.
I don't know why but if i use this https://geizhals.eu/1186365303 instead to go directly to jacob.de,the price of the adapter drops from 22 to 16 Euro,some sort of promotion?
If anyone from USA is interested in having a working adapter now,without waiting for Delock fixes or handling with the soldering iron,there is another solution but with some drawbacks.
The cards "Sunix UPD2018" and "Delock 89582" allow the use of the USB-C adapters on graphic cards with displayport connector.
The adapters "Delock 62796" and "Plugable USB-C to VGA" are the perfect candidates for this use.
joevt tested the combo Sunix+Plugable (mainly available in USA) and it was stable up to 330 MHz.
For European users the combo Delock card + Delock adapter (this has not been tested)
Delock adapter has the ANX9847 plus i think another chip (ANX7402) for USB-C functions.
Plugable adapter i'm not sure but it should be the ANX9847 or ANX9837 because i don't know others chip with those performance.
Sunix and Delock cards seem to be identical products

The drawbacks are:
1)It costs more,near 90 dollars for Sunix+Plugable and near 120 euro for Delock+Delock
2)You need a free PCI Express slot,but it can be used even external through the use of another adapter
3)I don't know if that card adds input lag,need to ask to joevt,for what i know about Displayport alternate mode on USB-C,there shouldn't be any lag.
4)The pixel clock is a bit slower 330 vs 340 at least on plugable adapter,don't know about the Delock.

Plugable adapter http://plugable.com/products/usbc-vga/
Delock adapter www.delock.de/produkte/G_62796/merkmale.html
Sunix card http://www.sunix.com/en/product_detail.php?cid=1&kid=2&gid=11&pid=1909
Delock card http://www.delock.de/produkte/G_89582/merkmale.html
 
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this thread will never die until the last FW900 will exist.
in any case, it's pretty ridiculous to continue to buy a monitor like this in 2017.

I had it and it was an impressive monitor but nothing that can compete with a good modern monitor.
leave alone the fact that it consume like an oven :D
 

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Nice troll. :LOL:

Note that if you dig into the specs of the monitor he displays in his signature (Eizo S2433WFS-BK), it's also an "oven" for a LCD (95W), and it gets crushed by a FW900 on almost any aspect except the bulk and power consumption.:p
 

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I had it and it was an impressive monitor but nothing that can compete with a good modern monitor.
leave alone the fact that it consume like an oven :D

I know this is probably a troll post, but there is no monitor that does everything better than the FW900. Sorry. Even the highest end displays cannot completely surmount every advantage that CRT can bring to the table. Those areas in which CRT falls behind (in terms of image quality), are so close it's almost negligible.
 

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this thread will never die until the last FW900 will exist.
in any case, it's pretty ridiculous to continue to buy a monitor like this in 2017.

I had it and it was an impressive monitor but nothing that can compete with a good modern monitor.
leave alone the fact that it consume like an oven :D


hi, can you please recommend me a modern monitor with the following features that so far, i have only been able to find in the fw900?



1. life like realistic motion clarity at any refresh rates and resolutions (no blurry motion) without sacrificing brightness, no double image effect. From 55 to 120hz would be fine for me, ficker would not be a issue to me on the lower refreshes as long as the flicker is like a crt flicker.

2. no angle viewing distortion image (no glow, no gamma shifting no color distortion)

4. excellent accurate color quality.

3. blacks that look like blacks in both dark or iluminated enviroments, at day or night.

4. optimal latency close to 0ms regardless of the Hz being used (from 55 to 120hz would be fine for me,)

5. widescreen resolution, like the fw900 at least, which has 22.5 inches viewable area and can do resolutions such 1920 x 1200@ 55 to 96hz, 2560 x 1600@55to 68hz and also that allow me to use lower resolutions such 1680x1050@55 to 109hz 1200x750@ 55 to 144hz or lower without image being blurry scaled

6. excellent picture quality even on non native resolution (no blurry scaling).

7. very good clear text and static image quality



sadly in 2017 after a lot of waiting and researching i cannot seem to find a monitor with all these features in one monitor like the more than a decade old fw900, from my personal testing unfortunatelly not even 144hz modern gaming monitors (and of course working at 144hz) i have seen can produce such realistic motion clarity the fw900 can at even lower refresh rates.

also i know there are modern monitors that try to mimic crt life like motion clarity using strobing techniques.
i have only seen one strobing gaming modern monitor working with my eyes with "blur reduction" setting on, but the brightness was so drastically reduced and the image became double while in motion that i found it totally worthelss.

also from what i have read in the blurbusters site which covers modern strobing monitors, those still have issues such added input lag, others reduced monitor brighntess, others mediocre color quality, others screen glow issues, poor blacks, strobing rate stuck at 100hz, double image effect, more notable flicker than crt, all those non existant issues on the fw900.

also i see the fw900 can work at 160hz at 1024x640 144hz at 1200x750 and despite those lower resolutions, image does not look so ugly blurry on those resolutions from what i see comparing to modern gaming monitors using lower than native resolutions, the fw900 displays non native resolutions much better that any modern monitor i have seen so you dont feel you are using such low resolutions on the crt as you feel on a modern monitor.



so if its true that such a complete modern monitor exists, please let me know a model, thanks.
 
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I have an HP A7217A located in Geneva, NY, been sitting in a closet for over a year. Contact me if you want it, pretty sure it still works. Was working when I used it last. Have a pair of VGA <-> BNC cables, HD fury (1st gen used for ps3), and the WinDAS? connector?, been a while since I've used it. All is free to good home.
 

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hi, can you please recommend me a modern monitor with the following features that so far, i have only been able to find in the fw900?



1. life like realistic motion clarity at any refresh rates and resolutions (no blurry motion) without sacrificing brightness, no double image effect. From 55 to 120hz would be fine for me, ficker would not be a issue to me on the lower refreshes as long as the flicker is like a crt flicker.

2. no angle viewing distortion image (no glow, no gamma shifting no color distortion)

4. excellent accurate color quality.

3. blacks that look like blacks in both dark or iluminated enviroments, at day or night.

4. optimal latency close to 0ms regardless of the Hz being used (from 55 to 120hz would be fine for me,)

5. widescreen resolution, like the fw900 at least, which has 22.5 inches viewable area and can do resolutions such 1920 x 1200@ 55 to 96hz, 2560 x 1600@55to 68hz and also that allow me to use lower resolutions such 1680x1050@55 to 109hz 1200x750@ 55 to 144hz or lower without image being blurry scaled

6. excellent picture quality even on non native resolution (no blurry scaling).

7. very good clear text and static image quality



sadly in 2017 after a lot of waiting and researching i cannot seem to find a monitor with all these features in one monitor like the more than a decade old fw900, from my personal testing unfortunatelly not even 144hz modern gaming monitors (and of course working at 144hz) i have seen can produce such realistic motion clarity the fw900 can at even lower refresh rates.

also i know there are modern monitors that try to mimic crt life like motion clarity using strobing techniques.
i have only seen one strobing gaming modern monitor working with my eyes with "blur reduction" setting on, but the brightness was so drastically reduced and the image became double while in motion that i found it totally worthelss.

also from what i have read in the blurbusters site which covers modern strobing monitors, those still have issues such added input lag, others reduced monitor brighntess, others mediocre color quality, others screen glow issues, poor blacks, strobing rate stuck at 100hz, double image effect, more notable flicker than crt, all those non existant issues on the fw900.

also i see the fw900 can work at 160hz at 1024x640 144hz at 1200x750 and despite those lower resolutions, image does not look so ugly blurry on those resolutions from what i see comparing to modern gaming monitors using lower than native resolutions, the fw900 displays non native resolutions much better that any modern monitor i have seen so you dont feel you are using such low resolutions on the crt as you feel on a modern monitor.



so if its true that such a complete modern monitor exists, please let me know a model, thanks.


Yea but can you place speakers next to your monitor:ROFLMAO: , and honestly the only one I knows come close is a $5,000 1920x1200 LAB monitor. even then it still doesnt have some features.
 

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Noticed my F520's black levels aren't super black at BRIGHT = 50. I have to take it down to 46 now to beat my VA panel. Must be time for the yearly calibration to commence. Yeah, I could probably do it every six months or so like Vito's customers do, but I'm not doing any graphics work with my computer (I'm strictly gaming on it) so white balance accuracy isn't super important. :)
 

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Had no idea this thread was still going. I still own three FW900's (well one SGi) and use the SGi here in my new apartment to play my console fighters. The other two sit in a storage room with their future's uncertain, not started up in 2 years.

I will have to go back and read if there is any success getting these beasts to run on modern hardware. Ive moved my main PC to a Samsung 40" 4k and while it has its obvious quality limitations compared to the milky color magic of the Sony's.. It has all the real-estate that I need to work. Still want to see that beautiful bastard kick on windows one more time.
 

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I will have to go back and read if there is any success getting these beasts to run on modern hardware.
Well, to sum up things quickly, we managed to have a company manufacture a Displayport->VGA adapter good enough to run a 1920x1200@96hz resolution, but they did shit themselves on the production model (quality issue with the displayport connector and/or wires connected to it).

We're now waiting for a reaction from them.
 

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Well, that's the optimistic part. If they're serious enough they'll surely react, but they might as well not react at all.

In such case, one could buy the faulty adapter and replace the bad part like etienne51 did (that's a solution really fit only for people a bit used to play with electronics and a solder iron), or look/wait for other possibilities.
 

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Me too,jacob.de lost a week just to ship,in the next days i will test two samples.
For those who don't want to wait there is the USB-C version adapter with the PCI Express card,i wrote all the details on the previous page.
 

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Well, that's the optimistic part. If they're serious enough they'll surely react, but they might as well not react at all.

In such case, one could buy the faulty adapter and replace the bad part like etienne51 did (that's a solution really fit only for people a bit used to play with electronics and a solder iron), or look/wait for other possibilities.

If etienne51 wants, he can contribute to the community by offering a service (for pay of course) to modify the part so that it works correctly?
 

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If etienne51 wants, he can contribute to the community by offering a service (for pay of course) to modify the part so that it works correctly?
I can't speak for him, but the modification takes some time. I'm pretty sure he has other things to do than chain modifying adapters and sending them all over the world.

It is much less hassle, and much more affordable to have Delock fix their product themselves. ;)
 
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Received the DeLOCK 62967 today and am having the same issues as everyone else has had so far. However I was able to mate different DP cable to the board like etienne51 has done and am running 2304x1440 @ 70Hz. Thanks again etienne51 for doing the dirty work on this adapter.

I don't know if its me but at this resolution it seems to be a lot easier to read text with this adapter but its more than likely me.
 

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Well done,max pixel clock?
Did you connect the GND associated with the 3 data lanes in use like etienne51 did(pin 2-5-16),or only the pin 5 like original design?
Before the mod,what resolution was stable? (1920x1080 60Hz?)
 
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Didn't really attempt a max pixel clock as it was late.

Nope that was one thing I forgot to mention on the ground. Hooked it back up as designed and it's working great, no extra ground wires.

Before the mod, if it turned on, was 1280x1024 stable. Anything higher it would either not turn the monitor on or the image would randomly flicker/move vertically.
 

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Had no idea this thread was still going. I still own three FW900's (well one SGi) and use the SGi here in my new apartment to play my console fighters. The other two sit in a storage room with their future's uncertain, not started up in 2 years.


Zeos from Z Reviews, I assume? I'd love to see one of those FW900's in a video after this adapter mess is sorted :p

Off Topic: I'd love to see you review a vintage Marantz amp/receiver, like a 2265B or 2238B!
 

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I just bought a new laptop, and it has a couple thunderbolt 3 ports. There are thunderbolt 3 docks out there that have VGA ports. Wonder what the pixel clocks are like...
 

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I just bought a new laptop, and it has a couple thunderbolt 3 ports. There are thunderbolt 3 docks out there that have VGA ports. Wonder what the pixel clocks are like...
I really wouldn't get my hopes up. Nowadays VGA is only a mere fallback for old 1024x768 beamers or cheap full hd monitors. Maybe 200mhz pixel clock?
 

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I tested the two adapters bought from jacob.de,first on nvidia 1070,first sample 347 MHz,second sample 345 MHz,both perfectly stable.
Second test on AMD 7950,the card has only mini DP so i use an adapter between the Delock and the card,here i tested only the second sample and it didn't work correctly past 180 MHz,the prototype here works perfect at 340 MHz.
On AMD 5850 they work both well but the card with two lanes is limited to 180 MHz because connector is DP 1.1
Now i need to find why it works so bad with my 7950 when on GTX 1070 it is perfect at 345 MHz,but probably it's the bad connector and the mini DP adapter makes things worse.
The connector is not that bad,but comparing it to that of the DP cable i have,there is more space between the rows of pins,the row of pins 2 to 20 is too far from the center and in this row there is the second data lane.
Soon i will try some things and if nothing works i will change only the connector,i don't think the cable has any problems,otherwise it wouldn't work so well on GTX 1070.
 
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I tested the two adapters bought from jacob.de,first on nvidia 1070,first sample 347 MHz,second sample 345 MHz,both perfectly stable.

Could you please post a link? They were supposed to be available in Poland some time ago but still can't find them in any shop.
 

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Use this https://geizhals.eu/1186365303 and choose the shop,jacob.de has good shipping costs out of Germany.
Are you aware of the problems of this final version?
Have you read the previous discussions?
The GTX 1070 of my brother is the only positive result for now (it's a MSI Gaming X),etienne51 has a GTX 1080 and the adapter worked badly with that.
Three others report with AMD and Nvidia are all negative.
 

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So my adaptor arrived today. Tried testing it out, but here's the rub. My laptop has onboard Intel HD 630, and an Nvidia GTX 1050 Ti, but apparently it's impossible to get the Nvidia GPU as the primary GPU to control the display.

So I was limited to using intel's custom resolution stuff, which doesn't work properly at all (for one thing, the vertical front porch, vertical back porch, and vertical sync width don't add up to the total vertical pixels). And it wouldn't reliably make the CRT click when i tried hitting apply.

However, I was able to get the default resolution of my laptop to show on the CRT (1920x1080 and at 85 hz). When I hit the OSD button on the CRT, it said 85 hz and a horizontal frequency of 96.4 KHz, which if I'm not mistaken corresponds to a pixel clock of 252.9 MHz. The image looked stable and fine.

So my guess is that this adaptor might actually work. The issue is getting it connected to a thunderbolt / USB-C port through a decent GPU (i.e. not Intel).
 

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So my adaptor arrived today. Tried testing it out, but here's the rub. My laptop has onboard Intel HD 630, and an Nvidia GTX 1050 Ti, but apparently it's impossible to get the Nvidia GPU as the primary GPU to control the display.

So I was limited to using intel's custom resolution stuff, which doesn't work properly at all (for one thing, the vertical front porch, vertical back porch, and vertical sync width don't add up to the total vertical pixels). And it wouldn't reliably make the CRT click when i tried hitting apply.

However, I was able to get the default resolution of my laptop to show on the CRT (1920x1080 and at 85 hz). When I hit the OSD button on the CRT, it said 85 hz and a horizontal frequency of 96.4 KHz, which if I'm not mistaken corresponds to a pixel clock of 252.9 MHz. The image looked stable and fine.

So my guess is that this adaptor might actually work. The issue is getting it connected to a thunderbolt / USB-C port through a decent GPU (i.e. not Intel).

Sounds kind of promising. Dumb question though - are video cards coming out with USB-C and/or thunderbolt?
 

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just looked into that. This one does.

But I don't think you need a GPU with USB-C or Thunderbolt 3, just a motherboard that has the port. And you can get add on USB-C cards for regular motherboards, I believe. So it may easier than expected :)
 

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How to best transport a bare FW900, without a box, in a car? Face/screen down or upside-down?
 

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How to best transport a bare FW900, without a box, in a car? Face/screen down or upside-down?
I'd say face down but stick a clean sheet of paper or soft plastic on the bezel to protect the AR film. A little stone laying around might do some damage there when the screen moves.
 
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