2080S + CPU or 2080 Ti?

matt167

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Yeah, I'm going to wait. $370 is way too much for a motherboard, though. But I will check out AMD's offering when I go to buy. I didn't see a lot of reason to go AMD with the price of the motherboards currently.
Lots of B450 and B350's in the $100 range which will run 3rd gen Ryzens just fine with a bios flash. The MSI B450 A pro is a sweet spot as it's the same board as the Gaming plus without RGB and they both have the same VRM as the Tomahawk and can support up to an R9 3900 without an issue..

R9 3900x plus the B450-A pro would total under $600. If you can find some 3200 mhz DDR4 cheap enough and reuse your power supply you could probably squeeze in a 2080 TI AND a brand new top of the line processor.

3700x is extremely close to 9900k performance at stock clocks for $325 so for sure, reusing some parts you could get it all squeezed in to the $1,500 budget. Which is crazy since the 2080 TI is over a grand on it's own
 

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Lots of B450 and B350's in the $100 range which will run 3rd gen Ryzens just fine with a bios flash. The MSI B450 A pro is a sweet spot as it's the same board as the Gaming plus without RGB and they both have the same VRM as the Tomahawk and can support up to an R9 3900 without an issue..

R9 3900x plus the B450-A pro would total under $600. If you can find some 3200 mhz DDR4 cheap enough and reuse your power supply you could probably squeeze in a 2080 TI AND a brand new top of the line processor.

3700x is extremely close to 9900k performance at stock clocks for $325 so for sure, reusing some parts you could get it all squeezed in to the $1,500 budget. Which is crazy since the 2080 TI is over a grand on it's own
You want the MAX version of the MSI B450 boards though because they are going to be less problematic with Ryzen 3000 series and will work without having to deal with BIOS updates to get it running. The B450 Tomahawk MAX is probably the best purchase out of these and supposedly has a bit better VRM cooling than the A Pro or Gaming Plus. Leave it up to manufacturers to make confusing SKUs.
 

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The Tomahawk does have a different/ slightly better VRM heatsink arrangement, but all 3 boards are largely the same with features added every step up. The Gaming plus adds a red and black theme and some RGB elements. The A pro still has an RGB header. The Max boards are not even available yet which is why I didn't mention them. But yes they will have a larger bios so they will end up with the full featured bios once again. With Bios flashback though, and with MSI working the bios kinks out I don't think there will be much of an issue going forward.
 

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Thanks for the replies, everyone. At this point I will probably just wait and hope that the budget supports an upgrade early next year, hopefully we will see some newer hardware and/or price drops by then.
Last year I built a new system with a 9700k and 2080ti to replace my 5820K@4.5Ghz and watercooled Titan X Pascal to game at 3440x1440 and the difference across multiple titles was not enough to justify the expense so I returned everything, but the 2080ti and am glad I did. Of course I still have the upgrade itch, but cannot find anything worth the cost at the moment.
 

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Yeah, I'm going to wait. $370 is way too much for a motherboard, though. But I will check out AMD's offering when I go to buy. I didn't see a lot of reason to go AMD with the price of the motherboards currently.
Yeah that is the catch these days that I keep forgetting about. Their CPU's are amazing deals at the mid to high end tiers but those motherboard prices are a bit much. If for nothing else than to see the most insanely priced one, I'd recommend checking out Dan's review of the MSI godlike over at The FPS review. Overall a pretty nice kit. Unlikely any of us would realistically commit to but still pretty neat.
 
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Last year I built a new system with a 9700k and 2080ti to replace my 5820K@4.5Ghz and watercooled Titan X Pascal to game at 3440x1440 and the difference across multiple titles was not enough to justify the expense so I returned everything, but the 2080ti and am glad I did. Of course I still have the upgrade itch, but cannot find anything worth the cost at the moment.
I'm on a similar path. Once you have a 6/12 core there's not much reason to really upgrade right now other than the 2080TI. I've got one paired with a 4930k @4.3Ghz and they're very evenly matched. I think that a 6/12 core will be good for one more, maybe two but doubtful, high end gpu upgrade. Nice thing about those 1-2 year cycles of x80TI releases means that we've probably got at least 1-2 years before these rigs really need upgrading.

People still with 4/8 cores are the ones that really need to look at upgrading their cpu's. That road's end is almost here, except for maybe the ones running at 5Ghz and even then we're finally starting to see games and apps that take advantage of having a couple more cores vs higher frequencies. My other rig, 2600k @ 4.3Ghz has finally started to show its age in the last year or so with modern AAA single player games often reaching 70-90% usage at 1440p/144hz and that one is paired with a 1080TI. Using it as a reference that tells me that anything beyond a 2080 S is wasted on a 4/8 core system now.
 

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Last year I built a new system with a 9700k and 2080ti to replace my 5820K@4.5Ghz and watercooled Titan X Pascal to game at 3440x1440 and the difference across multiple titles was not enough to justify the expense so I returned everything, but the 2080ti and am glad I did. Of course I still have the upgrade itch, but cannot find anything worth the cost at the moment.
For what it's worth, going from a 4770 and Titan X Pascal to a 9900K and 2080 Ti was worth it for me at UHD 4K. The CPU/Motherboard/RAM will safely last me another 7 years or more like the 4770 did.
Yeah, I guess my motivation was mainly the budget allowing for it now versus in a year when it may not. May just have to put some money aside and then wait and see what happens, not sure yet.
Good deal. The money you can save in the meantime will likely not put you into this conundrum by the time the game is out. I don't necessarily think we'll see new video cards by the time Cyberpunk is out, but there definitely should be new CPUs from Intel.
 

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Possibly, but I don't see my current rig cutting it for Cyberpunk on Max detail and I don't think we're going to see new GPUs before then.
As other people said, if you're upgrading for a specific game, maybe wait until the game comes out.

If it's pretty much all gaming, why not get the 9700k instead and double your ram, get a bigger ssd, put it towards the 2080 ti, or keep the cash?

If you're set on 144 fps at 2560x1440, the 9700k + 2080 super will get that in most games. For 3440x1440 most monitors are 100hz or less, so it's basically a wash. You're fps target is lower by about the same amount as the increased resolution. On the GPU side nvidia should be doing a die shrink next year for 20-30% faster performance and AMD has publicly announced a faster card is coming as well. If those things happen then a gpu buy next year could hold it's performance for a few years (much like buying a 1070 or 1080 in mid 2016).
 

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If it's the only game you really care about coming out next year then it makes worrying about upgrading right now even more silly. And yes we absolutely will have some new gpus within a year.
But will there a faster GPU out supporting DXR before CyberPunk 2077 gets released?
It is also the only comming game I care about.
 

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But will there a faster GPU out supporting DXR before CyberPunk 2077 gets released?
It is also the only comming game I care about.
Get whatever gpu meets your needs when the game comes out if it is the only game you care about.
 

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Buying stuff now for a game that's still 8 months away is not a very good idea. New GPUs/CPUs might be released in the meantime that could be much better purchases, like you might get 2080Ti performance for 2080 prices. Turing cards have been out almost a year already, you have waited this long, surely you can hold out a little longer?

If you really are determined to get something soon, at least wait until Black Friday where you will probably be able to get some good deals.
 

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do you think a 2070 super will be able to handle cyberpunk 2077 at 1440p?
Connected to a free-sync/g-sync display I'd imagine it might, might, hit somewhere near 60fps, averaging 40-50. CDPR are well known for releasing games that just punish the very best GPU's at whatever the popular resolutions are at the time and it usually takes 2-4 years for single GPU solutions to play above 100 fps with max settings. It wasn't until I got a 2080TI that I could play W3, with a hi-res texture pack, at 4k(4096x2160) above 60 fps consistently. It averages 70-90 and that game is 4 years old now. Similarly, it took a 1080TI to get that kind of performance for W2 at 1440p with a couple of tweaks to the cfg file. It's all speculation at this point but so far, considering the rumors from the various public showings they've done, Cyberpunk 2077 will be no different. A 2070S would probably do well at 1080p but my guess it that at 1440p it's going to begin to struggle.
 

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If I'm going to spend ~$1000-1500 on upgrades, and I'm running a 4790K at 4.6 GHz, would I be better suited getting a 9900KF and a 2080 Super, or just going for the 2080 Ti alone? Pretty much all for gaming, 1440p but may go 4K in the future.
I would go for the 2080 super and the 9900k at 1440P.
 

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4K is more GPU bound, 1440p is more CPU bound. A CPU upgrade might be better at 1440p if you are trying to hit 120-144hz. If you're only focusing on 60fps, then the 2080 Ti is a bigger upgrade once you turn on more graphical details like DSR.
not really with current GPUs 1440p is not much CPU bound vs GPU. Reviews say so. 1080p is a different story.
 

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Only in average fps. The minimum fps can be as much as 30% faster with a 9900k over a 4790k. Whereas the increase in minimums between 2080 S and 2080 Ti is much lower, more like 15%. Obviously if you don't play CPU intensive games or don't care about framerate spikes then go 2080 Ti and a slower CPU.
I don't think anyone is saying keep your CPU and just buy the GPU. I mean OP could get something less expensive than a 9900k and still get a 2080ti and not see that much of difference. Yes the oldewr CPU will likely hammer the minimums vs current gen.
 

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If I'm going to spend ~$1000-1500 on upgrades, and I'm running a 4790K at 4.6 GHz, would I be better suited getting a 9900KF and a 2080 Super, or just going for the 2080 Ti alone? Pretty much all for gaming, 1440p but may go 4K in the future.
I would suggest a whole new x570 build for $1500...and use your current GPU. The 4790K is choking your gaming.

ed: You can mitigate the cost of your new rig, by selling off your old parts.. or as a shell.
 

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If you want to use RTX in Cyberpunk, your only real option is a 2080 Ti. If you don't care about RTX, go with a 2080S.
 

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Last year I built a new system with a 9700k and 2080ti to replace my 5820K@4.5Ghz and watercooled Titan X Pascal to game at 3440x1440 and the difference across multiple titles was not enough to justify the expense so I returned everything, but the 2080ti and am glad I did. Of course I still have the upgrade itch, but cannot find anything worth the cost at the moment.
I'm in a similar spot. I have a 5820K and upgraded to a 2080 last year. I'm a little disappointed the 2080 Ti is now going for close to what I paid for the 2080.

Considering a 3900X to replace the 5820K, but I don't think it would provide any advantage in gaming.

With the 2080 I'm running Witcher 3 at 50-60 fps at 1944p. 60+ fps with the 2080 Ti sounds really nice, but there's no way I can justify that after splurging on the 2080 last year.
 

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I'm in a similar spot. I have a 5820K and upgraded to a 2080 last year. I'm a little disappointed the 2080 Ti is now going for close to what I paid for the 2080.

Considering a 3900X to replace the 5820K, but I don't think it would provide any advantage in gaming.

With the 2080 I'm running Witcher 3 at 50-60 fps at 1944p. 60+ fps with the 2080 Ti sounds really nice, but there's no way I can justify that after splurging on the 2080 last year.
How much was the 2080.
 

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How much was the 2080.
$800. Had the 2080 Ti been $1000 at the time like it is now, I may have gone for that. Not a big deal. I saved a couple hundred bucks and both prices still feel a little ridiculous.
 

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I still hate 1080P. I think it's safe to go to 2560x1440 or even 3440x1440 as long as you upgrade your GPU often to the higher end parts.
4K really is a huge step up visually. I only use a Vega 64 and I don't regret moving to 4K one bit. I would rather have 4K60 than 1080P120
 

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My biggest issue with 1920x1080 is that any decent sized screen will look like crap due to the dot pitch being so large.
 
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Get a 9900K for 448$. Get a 2080 Ti for 1049$. Should cover everything.
Except that an i9-9900K isn't going to fit in an LGA1150 board, and they'd also have to replace the old DDR3 for a Haswell build with newer DDR4.

That's the tricky thing for us Haswell/Devil's Canyon owners, having to budget for a new mobo and RAM on top of the new CPU. Intel hasn't really offered anything compelling enough to move up in terms of single-threaded performance benefits for the sheer expense involved, and they're only upping the core count because AMD's kicking them square in the ass again with Ryzen, especially the new 3rd-gen/Zen 2 offerings.

Also, I just found out that with my i7-4770K at 4.6 GHz, going from a GTX 980 to an RTX 2080, even if only for an evening (I was troubleshooting the 2080 for someone else's build with an i9-9900K and dual 2080s in SLI), pretty much doubled my performance right there, especially in VR. That's reason enough to prioritize the GPU.

That said, if anything you play going forward benefits noticeably from more than 4C/8T, it may be time to set aside some of the budget for a new platform. Going above 2080 levels of performance is well above the point of diminishing returns, but having more CPU cores always helps a ton with general multitasking even if a game can't utilize them all on its own.
 

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$800. Had the 2080 Ti been $1000 at the time like it is now, I may have gone for that. Not a big deal. I saved a couple hundred bucks and both prices still feel a little ridiculous.
omg... 2080 was $800? T.T damn - highway robbery
 

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omg... 2080 was $800? T.T damn - highway robbery
Yeah, it was a little ridiculous. Not many options though. I had been limping along with a 960 for years waiting for 1080 prices to go down, but they never did.
 

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Yeah, it was a little ridiculous. Not many options though. I had been limping along with a 960 for years waiting for 1080 prices to go down, but they never did.
yeah these models of nvidia are underwhelming...
 

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$800. Had the 2080 Ti been $1000 at the time like it is now, I may have gone for that. Not a big deal. I saved a couple hundred bucks and both prices still feel a little ridiculous.
I did the opposite, I went for the 2080 Ti which was around 1000 euros at the time when 2080 were going for about 800. Seemed like a fair trade. The pricing for some higher end models was ridiculous though, gtfo with those 1300+ euro prices!
 

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I did the opposite, I went for the 2080 Ti which was around 1000 euros at the time when 2080 were going for about 800. Seemed like a fair trade. The pricing for some higher end models was ridiculous though, gtfo with those 1300+ euro prices!
Here in the US the options were 2080 at $800 or 2080 Ti at $1300. There were a few 1080 Ti's floating around for about $700, but they were hard to find.

This after the 1080 series increased in price over most of it's lifetime.
 

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Get a 9900K for 448$. Get a 2080 Ti for 1049$. Should cover everything.
Should only cover gaming with a mere 5% advantage. For any other use like rendering, databases, streaming the AMD 3900X hands down kicks Intel's butt. The Navi gpu that is internally called the 2080TI killer will be available sometime in the 1st quarter of 2020.
 

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So what did op decide?
Already posted above, but I'm going to wait for next year and see what we get in terms of price drops or new stuff. Doesn't seem to be a reason to buy right now.

Maybe AMD will be the right call then, who knows?
 

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Already posted above, but I'm going to wait for next year and see what we get in terms of price drops or new stuff. Doesn't seem to be a reason to buy right now.

Maybe AMD will be the right call then, who knows?
Yeah, for pure gaming right now it’s definitely a 9900KF. I just went through this exercise, only thing that muddies the waters is if you already have an AMD mobo.

Waiting makes sense. It looks like next year competition will heat up for both CPUs and GPUs.
 
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