2080S + CPU or 2080 Ti?

Discussion in 'Video Cards' started by MavericK, Aug 3, 2019.

  1. matt167

    matt167 Gawd

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    Lots of B450 and B350's in the $100 range which will run 3rd gen Ryzens just fine with a bios flash. The MSI B450 A pro is a sweet spot as it's the same board as the Gaming plus without RGB and they both have the same VRM as the Tomahawk and can support up to an R9 3900 without an issue..

    R9 3900x plus the B450-A pro would total under $600. If you can find some 3200 mhz DDR4 cheap enough and reuse your power supply you could probably squeeze in a 2080 TI AND a brand new top of the line processor.

    3700x is extremely close to 9900k performance at stock clocks for $325 so for sure, reusing some parts you could get it all squeezed in to the $1,500 budget. Which is crazy since the 2080 TI is over a grand on it's own
     
  2. kasakka

    kasakka [H]ard|Gawd

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    You want the MAX version of the MSI B450 boards though because they are going to be less problematic with Ryzen 3000 series and will work without having to deal with BIOS updates to get it running. The B450 Tomahawk MAX is probably the best purchase out of these and supposedly has a bit better VRM cooling than the A Pro or Gaming Plus. Leave it up to manufacturers to make confusing SKUs.
     
  3. matt167

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    The Tomahawk does have a different/ slightly better VRM heatsink arrangement, but all 3 boards are largely the same with features added every step up. The Gaming plus adds a red and black theme and some RGB elements. The A pro still has an RGB header. The Max boards are not even available yet which is why I didn't mention them. But yes they will have a larger bios so they will end up with the full featured bios once again. With Bios flashback though, and with MSI working the bios kinks out I don't think there will be much of an issue going forward.
     
  4. Sorcerer_Tim

    Sorcerer_Tim [H]Lite

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    Last year I built a new system with a 9700k and 2080ti to replace my 5820K@4.5Ghz and watercooled Titan X Pascal to game at 3440x1440 and the difference across multiple titles was not enough to justify the expense so I returned everything, but the 2080ti and am glad I did. Of course I still have the upgrade itch, but cannot find anything worth the cost at the moment.
     
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  5. lostin3d

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    Yeah that is the catch these days that I keep forgetting about. Their CPU's are amazing deals at the mid to high end tiers but those motherboard prices are a bit much. If for nothing else than to see the most insanely priced one, I'd recommend checking out Dan's review of the MSI godlike over at The FPS review. Overall a pretty nice kit. Unlikely any of us would realistically commit to but still pretty neat.
     
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  6. lostin3d

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    I'm on a similar path. Once you have a 6/12 core there's not much reason to really upgrade right now other than the 2080TI. I've got one paired with a 4930k @4.3Ghz and they're very evenly matched. I think that a 6/12 core will be good for one more, maybe two but doubtful, high end gpu upgrade. Nice thing about those 1-2 year cycles of x80TI releases means that we've probably got at least 1-2 years before these rigs really need upgrading.

    People still with 4/8 cores are the ones that really need to look at upgrading their cpu's. That road's end is almost here, except for maybe the ones running at 5Ghz and even then we're finally starting to see games and apps that take advantage of having a couple more cores vs higher frequencies. My other rig, 2600k @ 4.3Ghz has finally started to show its age in the last year or so with modern AAA single player games often reaching 70-90% usage at 1440p/144hz and that one is paired with a 1080TI. Using it as a reference that tells me that anything beyond a 2080 S is wasted on a 4/8 core system now.
     
  7. Armenius

    Armenius I Drive Myself to the [H]ospital

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    For what it's worth, going from a 4770 and Titan X Pascal to a 9900K and 2080 Ti was worth it for me at UHD 4K. The CPU/Motherboard/RAM will safely last me another 7 years or more like the 4770 did.
    Good deal. The money you can save in the meantime will likely not put you into this conundrum by the time the game is out. I don't necessarily think we'll see new video cards by the time Cyberpunk is out, but there definitely should be new CPUs from Intel.
     
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  8. andrewaggb

    andrewaggb Limp Gawd

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    As other people said, if you're upgrading for a specific game, maybe wait until the game comes out.

    If it's pretty much all gaming, why not get the 9700k instead and double your ram, get a bigger ssd, put it towards the 2080 ti, or keep the cash?

    If you're set on 144 fps at 2560x1440, the 9700k + 2080 super will get that in most games. For 3440x1440 most monitors are 100hz or less, so it's basically a wash. You're fps target is lower by about the same amount as the increased resolution. On the GPU side nvidia should be doing a die shrink next year for 20-30% faster performance and AMD has publicly announced a faster card is coming as well. If those things happen then a gpu buy next year could hold it's performance for a few years (much like buying a 1070 or 1080 in mid 2016).
     
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    But will there a faster GPU out supporting DXR before CyberPunk 2077 gets released?
    It is also the only comming game I care about.
     
  10. misterbobby

    misterbobby 2[H]4U

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    Get whatever gpu meets your needs when the game comes out if it is the only game you care about.
     
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    Factum [H]ard|Gawd

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    So that was a long way of saying “No”?
     
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    123Lanoix 2[H]4U

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    do you think a 2070 super will be able to handle cyberpunk 2077 at 1440p?
     
  13. reaper12

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    Buying stuff now for a game that's still 8 months away is not a very good idea. New GPUs/CPUs might be released in the meantime that could be much better purchases, like you might get 2080Ti performance for 2080 prices. Turing cards have been out almost a year already, you have waited this long, surely you can hold out a little longer?

    If you really are determined to get something soon, at least wait until Black Friday where you will probably be able to get some good deals.
     
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  14. lostin3d

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    Connected to a free-sync/g-sync display I'd imagine it might, might, hit somewhere near 60fps, averaging 40-50. CDPR are well known for releasing games that just punish the very best GPU's at whatever the popular resolutions are at the time and it usually takes 2-4 years for single GPU solutions to play above 100 fps with max settings. It wasn't until I got a 2080TI that I could play W3, with a hi-res texture pack, at 4k(4096x2160) above 60 fps consistently. It averages 70-90 and that game is 4 years old now. Similarly, it took a 1080TI to get that kind of performance for W2 at 1440p with a couple of tweaks to the cfg file. It's all speculation at this point but so far, considering the rumors from the various public showings they've done, Cyberpunk 2077 will be no different. A 2070S would probably do well at 1080p but my guess it that at 1440p it's going to begin to struggle.