200M Workers Want Windows 8 Tablets, Not iPads

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Ok, so 3 links about Microsoft Surface Pro. You do realise Advil was talking about something entirely different, right?

ASUS VivoTab Smart ME400C is not a Microsoft Surface Pro. It is a rival product. Yes it runs Windows 8. No it is not a Surface Pro.
 

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I love my Sony Vaio Duo 11. Absolutely the best Ultrabook/Tablet I have ever bought. Battery life is better than the surface pro, with the extended battery I get around 11 hours. Though it is quite pricy, 1900~ total after taxes and the extra battery, but it is damn fast, thin, light, and super flexible. I wouldnt hesitate to buy it again.
 

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I'd probably also use a Surface Pro. The only tablet that could provide enough powere to do what I need at an acceptable pace. This itereation of wacom helps, too.
 

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If it is free, I would like to have one. MS is asking for $800.00, I went to the apple store and got an iPad.
 

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Good news for Microsoft, people that are actually doing work want Windows 8 tablets....not an iPad. Obvious survey is obvious.

Wow.. Whole lotta misleading info and false conclusions drawn at that blog. Amazing what passes for news sources these days.

There's a difference between saying IT Pro's *want* a Windows 8 Tablet instead of an iPad, and IT Pro's saying they'd rather have a Windows 8 Tab instead of an iPad if they had to pick one. The actual survey was about the latter. The data is really only telling us there's a strong distaste toward iPad among IT Pro's - myself among that group - and not who's rushing out to get a Windows 8 Tab

Stopped reading at "Apple will win next-gen smartphone war". These clowns are clearly confused about how to interpret data and are extrapolating wildly. Anyone can look at historical data and see where the momentum is -- Android will continue to swallow smartphone marketshare and is projected to surpass iPad by EOY 2013. Those are just the numbers.
 

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Oh, and a Surface Pro will rock with Photoshop/etc., look at the specs and use your head a second. My X230T is doing quite well already for modeling, sculpting, painting, etc. already, pretty much done settling in with it and getting down to real work :D.

Yes I'm sure that i5 watered down to 17W ULV is quite the screamer. I'll wait for gen2 and take another look - Haswell is really what Surface needs..
 

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Yes I'm sure that i5 watered down to 17W ULV is quite the screamer. I'll wait for gen2 and take another look - Haswell is really what Surface needs..

I'm inclined to do the same, but I can't deny that this would still be useful out of office for graphic design.
 

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An iDevice is a poor choice no matter how you slice it.... convertibles and detachables for Windows 8 make good sense though ;).
I'm of the same opinion.
I'm on the lookout for something that can reasonably replace my son's desktop/laptop, but he needs touch, keyboard and stylus functionality. Touch was suggested by an occupational therapist because of his limitations, but strictly touch typing wouldn't work so well. I was interested in convertibles, but then the Surface Pro was announced. I was really interested, but sadly storage and a few other limitations hold me back. Just need to find something that fills in those blanks.

As for business, no matter what touch device is used, I think that they're really more suited to business specific apps in the field to streamline things and minimize problems. Although touch devices have been around for awhile, I think that they're still a relatively new approach in many business areas and this will take awhile to become the norm.
 

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So look, this is what needs to happen.

A tablet similar to VivoTab but with a superior CPU (that is downclocked while "mobile")
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Optional Keyboard+Battery attachment
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A dock with a dedicated video card (Lucid's thunderbolt but better)
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A media tablet, a work laptop, and a gaming machine all in one.

Throw a stupid apple logo on it, make a smug white-washed commercial, and you could sell the package for $3000+
 

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So look, this is what needs to happen.

A tablet similar to VivoTab but with a superior CPU (that is downclocked while "mobile")
+
Optional Keyboard+Battery attachment
+
A dock with a dedicated video card (Lucid's thunderbolt but better)
=
A media tablet, a work laptop, and a gaming machine all in one.

Throw a stupid apple logo on it, make a smug white-washed commercial, and you could sell the package for $3000+

i would buy that right now. (minus the apple logo and for half the price obviously.)
 

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I laugh @ the people trying to remote into Server 2012's UI

USE POWRSHELL
 

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So look, this is what needs to happen.

A tablet similar to VivoTab but with a superior CPU (that is downclocked while "mobile")
+
Optional Keyboard+Battery attachment
+
A dock with a dedicated video card (Lucid's thunderbolt but better)
=
A media tablet, a work laptop, and a gaming machine all in one.

Throw a stupid apple logo on it, make a smug white-washed commercial, and you could sell the package for $3000+

There is one already, though it lacks the dedicated video card though. My Sony Vaio Duo has an i7 ULV which is pretty damn fast, has a Keyboard that can slide out, it is the ONLY one at the moment that has an option for the extra attachable battery. Its also not gimped with the SSD, mine comes with a 256GB SSD and 8GB of ram, there is an option for a 512GB SSD. Plus it has full VGA port, HDMI, 2 USB 3.0 ports, Full Ethernet port, and a card reader. I also use it to play WoW every now and then when I am out and about and have some free time. The next generation of my Vaio Duo is going to be amazing with Haswell. Sony sells it all for $2500 or so with the 512GB SSD and the upgraded i7+ sheet battery.
 

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The one he was talking about isnt the one in those reviews. His has an Atom processor, like a netbook. Netbooks used to get up to 8hrs.

Correct thank you.

I fully understand that this thing is slower than the i5 Surface, but neither I nor most (I said MOST) other tablet/notebook users need a device that rivals desktop performance. We want something that has the performance capability of an iPad, but acutally does something useful like run full Windows.

Unless you are sitting down to do some serious data entry or design it's nice to just be able to cradle a tablet in your arm and get a few things done.

This does that. Very well.

The Surface Pro is just plain crazy expensive... just like the iPad.

And I've already put between 3-4 hours of use on this VivoTab Smart and it's still at 72% right now. I even made my earlier post on it.

Look, I'm not trying to fanboy too hard here, just state that at under $500 we have really arrived with the tablets running Windows FINALLY.

It's a good thing, right?
 

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Yes I'm sure that i5 watered down to 17W ULV is quite the screamer. I'll wait for gen2 and take another look - Haswell is really what Surface needs..

the SB ULV's are quite good, their next iteration should be quite awesome though as it looks like they stripped quite a bit more logic + smaller logic and got the damn thing sub 10W. Either way I haven't been dissapointed by the current ULV's and most people running them in ultrabooks/MBA's aren't either.

My brother in law uses the i5 ULV and does quite a bit of photoshop, haven't heard one complaint about it yet.

My biggest gripe is that putting that in this device is ruining the battery life but I doubt MS really cares, I see this device as more of a kick in the ass to OEM's as "do better then this," please!
 

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This is excellent news for MS now they won't have to sell me their bulk Windows 8 License for 1 dollar. It seems that their 200 million potential buyers for their excellent new version of Windows7 + free awkward user interface.

Got to admire MS for paying for this nice report..
 

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Got to admire MS for paying for this nice report..

It's like asking someone if they were given the choice if they take a $25 mouldy donut or a $50 cupcake.

Everyone will say they want to cupcake, because it's the better option, but who will buy a $50 copcake... 0 people...
 

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Good news for Microsoft, people that are actually doing work want Windows 8 tablets....not an iPad. Obvious survey is obvious.

how much do I want to bet:

Forester only allowed the selection of Ipad or Windows but did not include Android
Forester neglected to include pricing or specification
Forester neglected to include battery life consumption
Forester neglected to mention that the Windows tablets would be using Windows 8
Forester neglected to mention that any ARM Windows Tablets would still be Windows 8 RT and thus would not run existing Microsoft applications

Once you remove everything that actually matters to a business or a worker, then, yeah, of course you'd get something like 200 million quote/unquote "workers" saying they want Windows tablets.

I'll give Forester some credit for the herculean task of making it look like there is demand for Windows 8 or for Windows tablets... but the price points and winter sales reports speak for themselves.

Anybody who thinks that Surface Pro is somehow going to be a multi-million seller that will rekindle the Microsoft dominance? Well, let's see them actually front some money to buy some Microsoft stock first.
 

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I think there is a gap in what consumers and enterprise want for computing ...

PCs on the consumer front are dying quickly as most consumer users are not high end users, nor are they tied to the MS software train - for them Android and Apple tablets are fully functional products and do what they need them to do ... PCs in the home environment will continue as laptops primarily with a smattering of HTPCs, desktops, and home servers ... but tablets will definitely become the dominant form factor for the home user

On the enterprise side it is exactly the opposite ... although tablets have some neat features and the novelty of being new they aren't suited for doing serious work ... nor are they compatible with the MS Suite of products that enterprise is tied to with very strong chains ... desktops are also becoming more rare in enterprise because workers are now expected to be available 24x7 and mobile devices support that far easier ... so if your choice is a bulky laptop or a sleek tablet (both of which run external monitors and the full MS Suite of products) which would you choose ;) ...

when I am at my desk I run everything off of my dock for my laptop (monitors, keyboard, mouse, speakers) ... when I am at home or traveling a tablet would actually be more convenient (if it ran MS products like Project, PowerPoint, Excel, Word, and Outlook) ... if MS can convert enterprise types to buy SP tablets (or other Win 8 tablets) instead of laptops they could do very well in enterprise ... enterprise is still primarily a Windows based environment for most companies and countries and is unlikely to change anytime soon :cool:
 

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It's like asking someone if they were given the choice if they take a $25 mouldy donut or a $50 cupcake.

while neglecting to mention there's also an ice cream sandwich as an option thats cheaper than both

thank you. somebody gets it.
 

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Tablets.... overpriced toys. If I want to get real work done I'll use a real computer, or at least a laptop. Tablets are for Angry Birds and watching videos and showing off how cool you are for owning a tablet.
 

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Steve, you're saying that it's obvious people want Windows tablets instead of iPads? I'm sorry but that sounds so idiotic I'm not sure if I read that correctly. I think you need to relax on the Apple crusade :D
 

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For me there is 0% chance I would ever buy a apple product. I don't care if the thing gave blow jobs.

Anything else is a better choice.
 

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I would take a Surface Pro over an iPad too. Duh...

In other news, water is wet.
 

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W8 flows much better than Win7 imo. and as far as touch screens goes it is a badass. Not sure why so many h8 W8? Have they actually used it? I will agree it does have remote problems but I have used GoToMeeting to help several clients on it and didn't have any trouble with W8.
 

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maybe those 200 Million information workers are really after something the iPad hasn't been able to manage which is the capability to get real work done.
 

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If you work in an environment where you actually do stuff, then yea a Windows 8 tablet is better then iPad. ONLY because it can run Windows legacy applications and usually comes with a attachable keyboard.

Windows RT tablets though, are total shit.
 

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I've never had a problem remoting using windows 8.

Also, the hardware power button has been the fastest way to turn off/restart/sleep your computer since XP. Its weird to keep seeing people bitch and moan about this.

You must not work in IT with remote servers. I just started deploying Server 2012, and while it's usable, it's a pain to do some things. Having to wait for the system to finally see you hovering the mouse in the corner takes way too long when working remotely. I also find myself running commands by typing them into the task manager's "File/Run new task" menu as it's faster than trying to bring up the start screen & find the app.

It's a real step backwards in usuability.
 

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Tablets.... overpriced toys.

True. The pro would only be usable as a 2nd system for some of our managers and light users.

The Surface Pro, with the 1.5 Ghz i5 CPU and 4Gb ram, is too slow for most my users.
That's about the same speed as the 6 year old laptops I'm phasing out (2.2 Ghz dual core, 4GB ram) from our lower end users. On the high end, we are currently buying 2.8Ghz i5's with 16GB ram.
 

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Either way, poking the power button doesn't work if you can't lay your paws on the box.

I'd also like to add that the power button is disabled on most Windows server installations. Thus you can press it all you want and it won't do anything. Unless you hold and do a forced shut down... Which I don't think was MS' intended way to shut down Windows.
 
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