$2,500 RTX-5090 ( 60% faster than 4090 )

It seems that this rtx 5000 series is nothing special, only the rtx 5090 and possibly the rtx 5080 will be a real upgrade, we will see when it comes out, the rest zero points.
When the rtx 3060ti came out, it was slightly below the rtx 2080ti, we now have a situation where the question is whether the rtx 5080 will even surpass the rtx 4090.
 
GoldenTiger said:
Sure isn’t going to help you run well on settings that consume 16gb though.
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So are we calling the 5080 weaksauce despite cost? Or were you referring to his 6800 XT?

If your optimistic take of the 5080 being $999 or less holds true, then I think 16GB is fine. If its north of $1k though say $1199 or up, I'm going to say that's bogus and it should have 24GB for the money spent. It just prolongs the amount of time before you have to reduce texture settings.
 
Sir Beregond said:
So are we calling the 5080 weaksauce despite cost? Or were you referring to his 6800 XT?

If your optimistic take of the 5080 being $999 or less holds true, then I think 16GB is fine. If its north of $1k though say $1199 or up, I'm going to say that's bogus and it should have 24GB for the money spent. It just prolongs the amount of time before you have to reduce texture settings.
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I agree, and yes I was referring to the 6800xt. I think they're going to leave lots of room for intermediate cards. There's no real reason I see that the 5080 16gb should exceed $1k, currently.
 
Strange bird said:
It seems that this rtx 5000 series is nothing special, only the rtx 5090 and possibly the rtx 5080 will be a real upgrade,
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not sure if the 5080 will be on the real upgrade side, the 5060 could be the second biggest according to the rumours.

The gddr7 effect could be bigger on the lower non GDDR6x sku..

Rumours of the 5060 are about 30% more memory bandwith, 50% more cores with 50% more tdp and the leaked benchmark on the laptop low-end skus seem good, a 30-40+% upgrade at the xx60 level this time around would not be surprising and a jump back to $350 for it would also be not surprising.

The 5080 could be the worst one (in term of sku -> sku performance upgrade all those product good-bad are price dependant of course), if it is a debate with the 4090, that would be ~25% or less better than the 4080 super.
 
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Strange bird said:
It seems that this rtx 5000 series is nothing special, only the rtx 5090 and possibly the rtx 5080 will be a real upgrade, we will see when it comes out, the rest zero points.
When the rtx 3060ti came out, it was slightly below the rtx 2080ti, we now have a situation where the question is whether the rtx 5080 will even surpass the rtx 4090.
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from what? form any one thats on 30x0 card itll be good upgrade and any one 20x0 or older itll be great upgrade. its never really be good idea to upgrade every gen since like 2002
 
GoldenTiger said:
I agree, and yes I was referring to the 6800xt. I think they're going to leave lots of room for intermediate cards. There's no real reason I see that the 5080 16gb should exceed $1k, currently.
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Oh there's plenty of reasons I could see Nvidia do it, but we'll see. Lack of meaningful competition at that performance level would be one.

As for intermediate cards, do you mean something to fill the gap between the 5090 and 5080? I'd like to believe that's the case too, but somehow I doubt we'll see a 5080 Ti on GB202 or any card really cheaper than the 5090 utilizing GB202.

Now a refresh of the 5080 with 3GB modules to give 24GB? I could see that and that will certainly cost more than a 16GB 5080.
 
Strange bird said:
I don't know what that vram represents and means to you, I had it on an rtx 3060 12gb, what does it mean to me when the rtx 3060ti 8gb is better in everything, it has a higher fps in everything, even if it is "only" 8gb.
Your card becomes obsolete in 2 years, it means absolutely nothing to you that you have 16 GB on rx 6800xt, 16 GB will not increase your framerate.
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The 3060 and 6800 XT are completely different animals. The latter still holds its own at 4K and beyond, which means that it needs enough VRAM to handle those resolutions. I mostly game in VR at 5K, 36 to 45 FPS, so I’m definitely using most of my card’s 16 GB. Every card is “obsolete” as soon as the next gen comes out, but some obsolete cards can still provide a good experience years later and others age like milk. VRAM is one factor that can make that difference. I’ll grant that it doesn’t matter much if you upgrade every 2 years.
 
Strange bird said:
I don't know what that vram represents and means to you, I had it on an rtx 3060 12gb, what does it mean to me when the rtx 3060ti 8gb is better in everything, it has a higher fps in everything, even if it is "only" 8gb.
Your card becomes obsolete in 2 years, it means absolutely nothing to you that you have 16 GB on rx 6800xt, 16 GB will not increase your framerate.
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The 3060 Ti has the better silicon, so yes it is more powerful. However it will require turning down texture settings to keep within the 8gb frame buffer limit before say a 6800 would need to, all else being equal.

Now there is the argument of can a card utilize more VRAM? Definitely depends on the card. I'd argue a 3070 tier card could have. It's a powerful card that is otherwise hampered by 8GB necessitating lowering texture settings that the 6800 wouldn't need to do by comparison.
 
Anyone else feel like Jensen just didn't give AF about RTX 5000? Here's the price, no details, nothing, then moved on. GPUs used to be the final point in the presentation. Now it's a footnote.
 
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That 5080 price is money. And the 5070? Isn't that cheaper than the last one was?

The game looked pretty damn good. No idea what it was, in the demo section:


View: https://youtu.be/k82RwXqZHY8?t=2201
 
Astral Abyss said:
Anyone else feel like Jensen just didn't give AF about RTX 5000? Here's the price, no details, nothing, then moved on. GPUs used to be the final point in the presentation. Now it's a footnote.
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Why would he care to hype up something that will have no competition?
 
Presentation was sus. I’m holding tight on my 4090 FE until the full Blackwell lineup is released. Sure I’ll get a 5090 asap when I find one at MSRP. But I wouldn’t be surprised to see a dip in 4090 resale prices followed by a surge once people are disappointed with the real world performance of the lower tier 50 series. AMD has opportunity here. Don’t care too much if I lose a few bucks on my 4090 and hope I’m wrong for the sake of the market. Budget PC gamers need a win especially in this economy and I’m rooting for them.
 
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That 5080 price is money. And the 5070? Isn't that cheaper than the last one was?
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yes a little bit, 4070 was $600, but 12GB could be a bigger issue now than back then, will have to see the numbers, I suspect for the skus that got a price reduction it will be just pretty average gen on gen gain, 5070ti real benchmark could be interesting.

A 5070ti will have 10% more RT tflops than a 4080, if it match it in RT games with DLSS on, same vram, that an interesting 1000->750 upgrade.

Numbers are so muddy and few that they are probably not that good in reality..
 
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That 5080 price is money. And the 5070? Isn't that cheaper than the last one was?

The game looked pretty damn good. No idea what it was, in the demo section:


View: https://youtu.be/k82RwXqZHY8?t=2201
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Both the launch 4070 and 4070 SUPER was $599 when they came out, so $50 cheaper. Same for the 4070 Ti. The 5080 is the same price as the 4080 SUPER. The 5090 is the only one that increased in price over last gen, probably because of how massive the chip is. TSMC N4 is only a 6% improvement in density over N5, and the 5090 has 20% more transistors than the 4090. That means the die is probably close to 700 mm² while the other chips down the product stack are around the same size as last gen.
 
Well, I think I'll be in for one 5090 this time around. I skipped the 4090 last generation and I don't want to downgrade VRAM from my 3090. Are bots basically required to buy GPUs these days or is there a chance to get one of these the old fashioned way (spamming refresh)?
 
Bop said:
Well, I think I'll be in for one 5090 this time around. I skipped the 4090 last generation and I don't want to downgrade VRAM from my 3090. Are bots basically required to buy GPUs these days or is there a chance to get one of these the old fashioned way (spamming refresh)?
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Won't know for sure until it releases, but I suspect for 5090 and 5080 the answer is yes. With the AI draw the 5090 especially having higher VRAM there will be plenty of people / companies willing to pay scalpers 3k+ for as many 5090s as they can get. I am personally looking to sit out another gen, though I too would like to move on from my 3090 without decreasing my vram in the process.
 
I guess looks like less performance for less money than expected, so it is kind of a wash.

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26% faster
26% higher watt usage
26% higher msrp
26% bigger chip
almost 26% more vram
almost 26% higher nomenclature from 4090 to 5090

My immediate sentiment is that it could have been worse.
 
Bop said:
Well, I think I'll be in for one 5090 this time around. I skipped the 4090 last generation and I don't want to downgrade VRAM from my 3090. Are bots basically required to buy GPUs these days or is there a chance to get one of these the old fashioned way (spamming refresh)?
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I was able to get a 9800x3d on launch day, and a 3090 not using a bot.

Since they have been stockpiling cards, I think there will be plenty of them out. Have you seen how many AIB cards being shown at CES? Yeah they are ready now imo.
 
Armenius said:
Both the launch 4070 and 4070 SUPER was $599 when they came out, so $50 cheaper. Same for the 4070 Ti. The 5080 is the same price as the 4080 SUPER. The 5090 is the only one that increased in price over last gen, probably because of how massive the chip is. TSMC N4 is only a 6% improvement in density over N5, and the 5090 has 20% more transistors than the 4090. That means the die is probably close to 700 mm² while the other chips down the product stack are around the same size as last gen.
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If you compare the 5070 Ti at $749 to the 4070 Super at $599 that is a $150 price bump.

For that increase in money it better rival or beat s 4080 in performance and give 16GB of vram standard.

The 5090 at $1999 jumps by $400 from the 4090's $1599 release price.

Nvidia keeps stretching the price tags higher because they know that people seeking HALO performance have an IDGAF attitude to price tags.

Ngreedia sticking to their standard procedure of asking for more money while fooling the masses into thinking it's a 'good deal' somehow.
 
vjhawk said:
If you compare the 5070 Ti at $749 to the 4070 Super at $599 that is a $150 price bump.

For that increase in money it better rival or beat s 4080 in performance and give 16GB of vram standard.

The 5090 at $1999 jumps by $400 from the 4090's $1599 release price.

Nvidia keeps stretching the price tags higher because they know that people seeking HALO performance have an IDGAF attitude to price tags.

Ngreedia sticking to their standard procedure of asking for more money while fooling the masses into thinking it's a 'good deal' somehow.
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4080 to 4090 was a good deal for 400 diff and about 25% perf diff.
I do agree I am not sure if 5080 to 5090 is a good deal for 1000 diff.

Having said that 3090 to 4080 was a good deal with 300 in your pocket and ~25% performance bump. This might still be true for 4090 to 5080 and 600 less.
 
cesarioFL71 said:
Im in for a new 5080. I'm glad I will have a great card at a reasonable price this generation. Good job Nvidia!
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You only think $999 is a good price for a 5080 because Nvidia initially sold the 4080 for $1200. A price that it sold in very few quantities and NEVER should have been released at.

They walked it back with the 4080 Super which was essentially almost the same card at $999. This price now "sounds" like a good deal because the prior price was ridiculous, psychologically this technique is called price anchoring.

The real issue is that the 5080 Nvidia is selling you for $999 should have been badged a 5070 because of how much gpu they are actually giving you.

An 80 series usually had around 70% of the cores of the 90 series. With the 5080 it's only 50%, this makes it essentially a falsely badged GPU that is a 5070 but marketed as a 5080.

Consider just a couple of generations ago that the 3090 cost $1499 and the 3080 cost $699. And the 3080 of that time offered you around 70% the cores of the 3090.

Now you have to pay $1999 for the 5090, a $500 increase and $999 for the "5080" a $300 increase while only getting 50% the cores of the 5090.

NGreedia strikes again!
 

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You only think $999 is a good price for a 5080 because Nvidia initially sold the 4080 for $1200. A price that it sold in very few quantities and NEVER should have been released at.

They walked it back with the 4080 Super which was essentially almost the same card at $999. This price now "sounds" like a good deal because the prior price was ridiculous, psychologically this technique is called price anchoring.

The real issue is that the 5080 Nvidia is selling you for $999 should have been badged a 5070 because of how much gpu they are actually giving you.

An 80 series usually had around 70% of the cores of the 90 series. With the 5080 it's only 50%, this makes it essentially a falsely badged GPU that is a 5070 but marketed as a 5080.

Consider just a couple of generations ago that the 3090 cost $1499 and the 3080 cost $699. And the 3080 of that time offered you around 70% the cores of the 3090.

Now you have to pay $1999 for the 5090, a $500 increase and $999 for the "5080" a $300 increase while only getting 50% the cores of the 5090.

NGreedia strikes again!
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Yes. My initial reaction was likely due to the MSRP. That said, after some solid research I am having serious doubts about this card. This gen was likely going to be my last as far as serious pc gaming as other hobbies and life in general have shifted my priorities. I was looking to "go out with a bang" this gen. I just don't see the value versus cost in this hobby anymore. Modern pc gaming quite frankly sucks and I don't see that changing..........
 
cesarioFL71 said:
Yes. My initial reaction was likely due to the MSRP. That said, after some solid research I am having serious doubts about this card. This gen was likely going to be my last as far as serious pc gaming as other hobbies and life in general have shifted my priorities. I was looking to "go out with a bang" this gen. I just don't see the value versus cost in this hobby anymore. Modern pc gaming quite frankly sucks and I don't see that changing..........
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sounds like someone has kids now :)

i know the feeling about modern gaming...i can barely finish any game these days without losing interest.
 
THRESHIN said:
sounds like someone has kids now :)

i know the feeling about modern gaming...i can barely finish any game these days without losing interest.
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Actually, my kids are all college grads and out of the nest. :) I'm just heading towards my 60's and been gaming since the 70's. The wider world beckons for me to get out from in front of the pc and go see more of it while I can. The general lack of great pc titles combined with the current state of the gpu industry just makes my decision all the easier. :)
 
lee0539 said:
What do you guys think will be more popular? The 5080 or 5090?
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I would have said 5080 was going to be a dud prior to announcement. But since it's $1000, I can definitely see nV and resellers moving units. It's priced right below a lot of people's "non-starter" price limit, and I expect a lot of people who were expecting to pay ~$850 i.e. 5070 ti will rationalize spending another $150 for the (albeit small) bump in performance.
 
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