A question I have not seen posed, nor have I read about it in the many speculative articles, is the 4 monitor limit been removed for the new 5090? For those of us with a triple setup and VR, we currently have to unplug one monitor or unplug VR to use either. Really is no reason to have this limit, even with my 4090... any news on this?
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$2,500 RTX-5090 ( 60% faster than 4090 )
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NVIDIA never launches a new generation of video cards at CES, or any convention but their own for that matter (GTC). The only time they have launched a new product at CES in the past 20 years was the SUPER line of 40-series cards this year.
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So with the PC gaming landscape looking the way it does I decided to devote much of my gaming time to my other hobby.
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Why do you think it would be removed? At the end of the day they want as high of a margin as possible, so putting any effort at all into something that a majority of the consumers won't use (hence you haven't seen it mentioned often) is just a waste of some resources somewhere. Nvidia is currently winning too hard to go out of their way in any way shape or form, unfortunately.
Yeah, 4 screens on one card is already an outlier. Adding more is just making everyone else pay more for a few people to get an extra port. Also 4 is what you can fit in one slot unless you use mini DisplayPort connectors. Past that they can't just mount the connectors on the PCB, they have to build something that sticks up into the next slot.
What they ought to do is make a USB-C/4 plug standard on vid cards so VR headsets can get everything through one cable, including power. There are other uses for that. We have USB-C monitors at work. You just plug in your laptop and they take care of power, mouse, keyboard, ethernet, webcam, etc. So a USB port on a vid card can just lean on the whole laptop world. People would use a one plug to the monitor and chain all the desktop USB stuff off the monitor setup.
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3090 was $1499 launch MSRP.
4090 was $1599 launch MSRP.
Seems like $1699 would be a good educated guess in USD. Other than that we have no clue what it will be, it really depends on how much additional costs went into making it (r&d, manufacturing, etc).
Just look at the launch costs in Europe for the 3090 FE, 4090 FE, make an educated guess from there.
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The hope was that blackwell GPUs would have a 200% performance uplift compared to hopper. The latest rumor is that there will only be a 38% uplift in processing capability, a 50% bump in top SKU power draw, other attributes are expected to be higher.
If that same or similar extrapolation holds, a 5090 card could land as high as $1800 MSRP. The other thing to consider is for a desktop processor how do you handle the power and heat?
If that same or similar extrapolation holds, a 5090 card could land as high as $1800 MSRP. The other thing to consider is for a desktop processor how do you handle the power and heat?
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Do you need a card now? Buy a 4090. Don't need a card now? Wait for a 5090.
Not really hard.
you are asking a question that would be really hard for others to answer for you would they know
- what do you do with your gpu
- when the 5090 will launch
- will it be easy to buy one in the first 3, 4, 5 months
- its msrp and street price
- its performance relative to the 4090 in what you do
- 4090 resales value
Imagine the answer people asking that about buying the 2080ti before ampere launch how strange in hindsight (and wrong) could it have been people told them to wait for the 3080 while a really cheap we just did not know yet used Turing was a really great deal versus what the gpu market would soon become, or a 3090 before the 4090 launch (who thought it would jump in performance by that much and stay around the same price....).
Would still be hard with those informations in hands (one big variable being quite subjective to you how much do you value money vs gpu), and currently no one know the answer to any of those question, maybe the 5090 will be 20% faster, still on 24GB of vram, $2000 and launch in Q2 2025 and the 4090 will stay about the same price on the used market, maybe it will be gimping on AI stuff to be sellable in China. Maybe it will be 45% faster at $1600 msrp with 32GB of vram and launch Q4 2024, that 2 different world.
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only games in 1440P. Also wanna mix 5090 with new intel ultra 285 when released. And thx for such a large answer
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I'm still using a 1070, and will likely wait for the AMD NAVI 48 to enter the market and push the pricing down. My next move will likely be a 4070 Super, a 5070 Super and or the AMD Navi 48 equivalent. That $400-$500 price point is likely to be the higher band of price point competition. Above $500 Nvidia is more likely to own the market, but you're going to have to pay for that luxury if you want that.
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People who buy a video card for $2500 then complain about inflation and how they don't make enough money.
The article even mentions "AI". It's got all the buzzwords to give you FOMO.
Vote with your money, you don't need this overpriced hardware. It will be in a bin in 3-4 years.
As far as "60-70% over last gen"...so just like the rumors every gen, that get walked back into a 10-20% modest gain while increasing TDP.
Enjoy the chip in your computer like it's a pair of shoes you want to last as long as possible. That's my advice.
The article even mentions "AI". It's got all the buzzwords to give you FOMO.
Vote with your money, you don't need this overpriced hardware. It will be in a bin in 3-4 years.
As far as "60-70% over last gen"...so just like the rumors every gen, that get walked back into a 10-20% modest gain while increasing TDP.
Enjoy the chip in your computer like it's a pair of shoes you want to last as long as possible. That's my advice.
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Yes, because product pricing and market separation always progresses on a linear scale.
at 4k in a relatively recent benchmark made
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-super-tuf/32.html
2080ti->3090: +55%
3090->4090..: +64%
with RT on:
2080ti->3090: +91%
3090->4090..: +73%
Does it not often tend to grow over time instead of going down the separation ?, has driver focus over the latest and less on the oldest (same for game dev, and cpu getting faster letting the GPU difference express itself more), when was the last top of the line GPU having 10% modest gain ?
And it is a been a while (sadly or for good depending on the angle) that top of line computer hardware are in a bin in 3-4 years, maybe in the 90s, but a 3090 will 4 years old next month, still get like $600-700 on ebay for used one, can go higher for FE ($900), 5950x are still expensive to buy, the acer predator x38 and other high monitor of 2020 still cost a lot today and so on. WD black SN850 or sabrent of that time are still perfectly fine drive that sell at good price.
Things does not advance as before, you cannot have +10% modest gain and things being in the bin relatively quick at the same time
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I know you're being sarcastic but I also said we have no clue what it will be.
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FOMO is what NVIDIA is counting on from consumers
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I really hope it's not only 38%. That would be incredibly disappointing. As far as heat, I mean the TDP of the 4090 is actually only like what, 450W or so? ("only") There are 4090s out there operating at 600W, so I'm guessing it won't be all too much harder to cool than those. An AIO + slightly better shroud than what my Suprim X Liquid has (shroud meaning the cooling on the actual main board parts that aren't hooked up to the AIO) would probably still put the thing on a decent temp. But having a 775W TDP would still be kind of stupid. I sort of doubt it would be that high. It would probably need some really chonky VRMs and what would they even use as the hookup? 2x12VHPWR? That's about the only option that would suffice at this point, unless you want to use like 5-6 8 pin connectors and turn it into a kraken...
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Correct. Wait another 6 months.
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I don’t follow. Every resource added is charged for. ASUS alone has what? 4 or 5 5090 SKUs? All perform within about a percent of one another. If there’s a mere 30mhz OC which uses virtually zero resources, they charge 100 extra for it.
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I did that 6 months ago.
If you NEED to upgrade, upgrade now. If you WANT to upgrade, wait.
I'm getting very close to NEEDING to upgrade and the 5090 is getting very close to launch. I'm waiting it out. I don't NEED it yet, I just want it. If my current card shit the bed right now, I'd buy a 4090 tomorrow. But, I'm good right now. I can wait a few months.
Currenlty getting all AAA games max settings + ray tracing at 100FPS+ 4k on my Radeon HD6970/s ( i NEEED an UPGRADE)I did that 6 months ago.
If you NEED to upgrade, upgrade now. If you WANT to upgrade, wait.
I'm getting very close to NEEDING to upgrade and the 5090 is getting very close to launch. I'm waiting it out. I don't NEED it yet, I just want it. If my current card shit the bed right now, I'd buy a 4090 tomorrow. But, I'm good right now. I can wait a few months.
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Haven't heard a word from Nvidia and it's September. Not a good sign if 5000 series are intended to launch sometime in 2024. Was really hoping that it'll appear in the Q4 timeframe but it's looking more like the first half of 2025 now. The 1080 is very long in the tooth after more than eight years and I'm starting to get strange issues with it, like screen blackouts when enabling monitors and occasional freezing in gaming. Badly need a new system but gonna stick it out to the new wave of hardware which will be worth the wait.
We hope it will be. Zen 5 certainly wasn't worth the wait. We've yet to see what Intel and nVidia will come with, though the Blackwell delays aren't a promising sign. 5080 rumored to be 10% faster than 4090 isn't horrible, but hardly mouth watering.
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If the 5080 is that + a nice price, it could be very mouthwatering. I'm aiming for the 5090 in all likeliness myself though.
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I doubt it will do better than match the 4090 based on the leaked specs or the clock speeds are going to have be much higher than they were before. Higher wattage pretty much assures they are hitting a wall and are just pushing the silicon. Biggest issue will be what Nvidia decides to price them at though.
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Seems like it will be a smaller jump vs going from Ampere to Lovelace but that was to be expected. I don't expect some crazy 60%+ gain going from the 4090 to 5090 like the title suggests, but I think a 40% or even 50% uplift is within the realm of possibility.
The last time I remember having a nice price and decent availability was the 1080Ti and before that, the 8800GT. I gave up hope on ever seeing that again when the 3080 launched at a decent price that almost no one was able to get. I think nVidia has given up on pricing anything nicely, especially considering how much the silicon is worth in the AI market.
400 watt for the 5080 being only 10% faster than the 4090, maybe, but if they do not mean furmark type of scenario running at 400 watt but just regular gaming target.... that seem odds.
Could be a significant change in architecture or something... a 4090 game at what around 350watt stock and the gain versus running at 305 watt are minimal, it would be an 33% more power form 15% more performance (86% of the efficacy) of an under control 4090.
If it is not pushing it outside its efficacy band, that would be an incredible decline in efficacy.
All the high power talk around Lovelace did not occur last time, this could be from people seeing cooler design or power delivery design and going from there (which would be worst case scenario and a nvidia that really want to make sure nothing catch in fire this release and overbuild them a little bit, if they test all along running the specs card at 600w-400w during the months leading up to the launch they will know that 450-350 is ok).
I know the die could be smaller so you run it less efficient by mm, but that node got more than 2 years better since, yes B100 > H100 performance explosion (2x+) is only in the 4bits, but it is 77% better by watt at the rest:
If they have gddr7 "free" bandwith boost without adding watts (maybe even reducing it in that regard), why does it use 50 more watt (60-65 on the gpu itself ?) than a 4090 for so little gain, that seem less than the free better node-vram should do with zero improvement ?
Everything they have to decide well advance for cooler-power to be ready will again be in worst maximum case scenario, but once they cook, look at efficacy band and what have performance wise (and what they want with the competition) they could, like for Lovelace) settle with something way lower. Those 4080 were build to be able to drive 400 watt would they have needed to as well, the 4090 could have driven 600 watt.
Could be a significant change in architecture or something... a 4090 game at what around 350watt stock and the gain versus running at 305 watt are minimal, it would be an 33% more power form 15% more performance (86% of the efficacy) of an under control 4090.
If it is not pushing it outside its efficacy band, that would be an incredible decline in efficacy.
All the high power talk around Lovelace did not occur last time, this could be from people seeing cooler design or power delivery design and going from there (which would be worst case scenario and a nvidia that really want to make sure nothing catch in fire this release and overbuild them a little bit, if they test all along running the specs card at 600w-400w during the months leading up to the launch they will know that 450-350 is ok).
I know the die could be smaller so you run it less efficient by mm, but that node got more than 2 years better since, yes B100 > H100 performance explosion (2x+) is only in the 4bits, but it is 77% better by watt at the rest:
If they have gddr7 "free" bandwith boost without adding watts (maybe even reducing it in that regard), why does it use 50 more watt (60-65 on the gpu itself ?) than a 4090 for so little gain, that seem less than the free better node-vram should do with zero improvement ?
Everything they have to decide well advance for cooler-power to be ready will again be in worst maximum case scenario, but once they cook, look at efficacy band and what have performance wise (and what they want with the competition) they could, like for Lovelace) settle with something way lower. Those 4080 were build to be able to drive 400 watt would they have needed to as well, the 4090 could have driven 600 watt.
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Hi guys. Will Atx 3.1 Seasonic 1000W GX be fine with rtx 5090? + Intel Core 285K. I ask because in my country is only availaible 1000W ATX 3.1 Seasonic GX model. Other models will come in 2025 march.
There are higher models in stock but not in my country . In france and germany in stock. Maybe buy from other country 1200-1600W or its bad idea?
There are higher models in stock but not in my country . In france and germany in stock. Maybe buy from other country 1200-1600W or its bad idea?
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I would be extraordinarily surprised if it isn't.
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5000 series may be announced i.e. soft launched be end of 2024, but highly doubt at this point we'll see any cards for sale. Considering all variables (remaining Lovelace stock, stable pricing, what we know about hardware finalization), my guess is Feb for 5090 availability and 5080 shortly thereafter.
Pricing is going to be through the roof for 5080 and above since nV has been let off the leash with not an iota of competition in those segments.
I have an question about Seasonic Vertex 1200 GOLD.
Here in shop they said: Atx 3.0 PCIE 5.0
https://proline.pl/zasilacz-seasonic-vertex-gx-1200-80plus-gold-1200w-p8115664
But on seasonic:
https://seasonic.com/pl/vertex-gx/
Atx 3.1 ,PCIE 5.1
So what is real?
Here in shop they said: Atx 3.0 PCIE 5.0
https://proline.pl/zasilacz-seasonic-vertex-gx-1200-80plus-gold-1200w-p8115664
But on seasonic:
https://seasonic.com/pl/vertex-gx/
Atx 3.1 ,PCIE 5.1
So what is real?
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I hear they are going to switch from a traditional "pricing model"
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This would work gamers would tolerate it