12nm AMD Polaris Up and Coming Alright - Pretty Soon Already

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  1. Pieter3dnow

    Pieter3dnow [H]ardness Supreme

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    https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/12nm-amd-polaris-up-and-coming-pretty-soon-already.html

    So it is a little bump in speed and let us hope it is more power efficient as well.
     
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  2. KazeoHin

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    I was hoping for it to be closer to the Vega 56 (not super close) to fill in the massive gap in GPU power there...
     
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  3. Pieter3dnow

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    Yeah Vega 56 performance for $200-$250
    Not likely is it ;) .
     
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    It seems that there is a refresh coming between October 12 and 15 but that only covers RX570 refresh. The RX580 is a bit later in November.
     
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    Araxie [H]ardness Supreme

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    which its still weird, the RX 570 it is already too close to the RX 580 performance, then a refresh of RX 570 will cannibalize actual RX 580 sales, I also dont think they will ever offer vega56 performance at 200$ - 250$ however i really think they need to close the gap between rx 580 and vega56.. which it is what the refresh of rx 580 may achieve if they focus to keep same power levels as current rx 580 and focus the die shrink in getting much higher clocks, if for any reason they decide to go with a 384 bit bus it could really be an amazing GPU but thats just a dreaming thing for me right now.
     
  6. Pieter3dnow

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    The problem lies in where most of us "know" that this might be a release for the sake of needing a refresh, expectation low = no disappointment, expectation high = bound to be a disappointment.

    Good price performance ratio = everybody happy ;)
     
  7. KazeoHin

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    Like I said, fill in the gap between the 1060 and 1070 / between 580 and v56. Not replacing the higher end cards.
     
  8. Dayaks

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    These wishes haven’t been granted the last 2-3 releases.... I wouldn’t hold my breath.
     
  9. legcramp

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    Can't we get a 9700 Pro type release in 2018? lol
     
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    When your buying a 1,300 dollar graphic card, you kinda have different expectations then a guy buying a 250 dollar card. With the right tweaks they can likely get it close to Vega 56, really depends on how much work they vested into the update.
     
  11. Dayaks

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    I was talking more about AMD’s value. Everyone hopes they will price is half as much as nVidia for the same peformance for some reason.

    Well, with the cluster that RTX is it might happen! nVidia locked themselves into a pretty high BOM 2070 and up.
     
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  12. Araxie

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    Nvidia may know AMD have nothing soon to be released in the market and by the time that day come they will have a new gen and a wave of cheaper and more powerful RTX Gpus.
     
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  13. Pieter3dnow

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    Yeah I doubt you believe this yourself :).
     
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    It would take an entire redesign of the chip (at this point making it no longer "Polaris" as we know it) to even begin to get near 56 performance, especially custom cool cards that can breathe and let VEGA stretch it's legs...The RX580 has half the ROPS, ~1/3 less shaders, and much lower memory bandwidth...

    What AMD could DO (if the old rumors are true of Polaris having a GDDR5x compatible memory controller) is replace the ram with some 10~12Gbps DDR5X, which would open up the memory bandwidth, which many complain is a significant bottleneck with Polaris..Even if it cannot use '5x for cost or the lack of IMC support) they could at least go with 9Gbps GDDR5 which would help a bit.

    The 50% reduction is ROPs is a big deal as well..Again, AMD would have to design an entirely new chip with "Polaris" cores to fix this issue...There is a reason that AMD/MS only had 32 ROPs in the XB1X. I think with faster ram, and a 15% core bump, you will see it slot in where a 1060ti would be (if it existed).
     
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  15. crazycrave

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    I don't see the issues with RX 570 or 580 at the current prices as they run great and the bitching about power savings as I don't get it , I can now game with a 65watt 6/12T Ryzen 5 and run a RX 570 and still be below just what my 290x needs to live and have same performance , so how is that bad if the fresh tech and power savings was the benefits as it was worth it to wait till drivers and prices was at there best .

    I think just like Ryzen 3 and 5 the RX 4XX-5XX offer the AMD core value and well balanced pricing with long life spans ,
     
  16. Pieter3dnow

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    https://fudzilla.com/news/graphics/47374-amd-12nm-polaris-coming-in-november

    The last line is funny because this is what they started with:
    So their sources do not know what the speed increase is, Otherwise that line would have looked very different.

    Wait now this:
    Odd
     
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    It seems there is something going on not to sure what to think of this:
    HKMynyb.jpg

    Only a code name on a piece of paper and it says RX-590.
    Original post from: http://tieba.baidu.com/p/5910241075

    Let us hope no one was in a trolling mood ;)
     
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  18. Dayaks

    Dayaks [H]ardness Supreme

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    I hope to god they didn’t waste money crossfiring low end GPUs on a single PCB.
     
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  19. Pieter3dnow

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    That makes no sense whatsoever.
     
  20. Dayaks

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    I know it would make no sense. Crossfire is terrible. Unless they are making it appear as one GPU but I highly doubt that.

    Only a fool would crossfire low end GPUs over a single higher end GPU.
     
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    hard to say, could just be an internal code name for it, but could also be that they don't want to waste the RX 600 series brand for a single gpu refresh.
     
  22. DigitalGriffin

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    480 <= 1060 < 580 < 1070 <= Vega56 < 1070ti < Vega 64 <= 1080

    There's such a narrow gap now. If a 580 can be clocked higher than it will cannibalize the Vega56 sales. And as the 56 is cost limited due to memory cost, I see 56 being phased out.
     
  23. DigitalGriffin

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    Maybe a RX585? Wouldn't be the first time. RX280->RX285.
     
  24. Pieter3dnow

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    Actually that would work out nicely for AMD ;) If they can cut out a money losing prospect as Vega 56 or Vega 64 for that matter and replace it with something cheaper to produce 2 birds 1 stone ....
     
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    Silicon's a tough business to be in nowadays.
     
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    If they can give me Vega performance for the next Polaris and it's a sing GPU card, then I would happily upgrade my RX 480. I've noticed it is starting to struggle a bit in some of the latest games.
     
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    LoL to all the people that expected 50% performance improvemente because of the die shrink. There were several youtubers claiming it would beat a 1070Ti/1080.
     
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    Looking at the XBox One X, the Polaris with more CU's is equivalent to a GTX 1070, IMO.
     
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    I'm hoping it's more than just a die shrink. Afterall going from 14nm to 12nm it not that much of a big deal.
     
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    My first ATi was a 9700pro and back to Nvidia until the refresh of HD4870 was the 4890 rewired .
     
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    My first ATI card was also the 9700 pro. Out was an absolute beast back in the day. I remember being at a lan and everyone was gathered around my PC watching how well Farcry ran. Really loved that card.
     
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  32. Pieter3dnow

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    Well there is little of an argument to have 2 gpu on 1 card because that would defeat the purpose it being cheap and serving a purpose on a budget there should be easier ways to make money for AMD rather then performance driven but if Polaris can come close (lets say through overclocking not by default) then it has a nice side effect.

    But I'm not thinking that Polaris 30 will break any records.
     
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  33. Stoly

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    The 580 already beats the 1060 for the most part (win some, loose some but mostly wins) so its not too far fetched that it can come close to a GTX1070. But the 1070Ti/1080 are in another leage.