1180 leaks..similar to 1080ti specs?

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  1. Putz

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    seeing alot of "leaks" on the 1180 info and comparing its specs to the 1080, but the specs being posted are the same as the 1080ti other than memory (16gb) and power draw (200w), anyone else notice that?

    funny how they are showing how much faster it is than the 1080...but why not comparing to the most recent 1080ti?
     
  2. Lmah2x

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    1080Ti is a big chip card, so they shouldn't be compared.
     
  3. Armenius

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    This is going off of the TPU database, I bet. It says clearly on the bottom that the page is a placeholder, and on the top that details will change due to the card not being released yet.

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  4. defaultluser

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    I expected the same as the GTX 980. A few percent faster than the 780 Ti.

    When you see the same process node for two different architectures, you usually grow the card (bigger cache) to improve efficiency, and optimize the rest of the architecture.

    The cost savings mostly come from the slimmer memory bus, with denser chips, and some from the denser process node (16->12).

    They left plenty of room for the successor to GP102 to grow the die, as it's only 471 mm².

    The new GTX 1180 should be around 400-450 mm², and the GTX 1180 ti should be around 550 mm². Perfectly doable for a reasonable price on this now optimized process node.

    I'm just not expecting the massive clock speed increase we saw thanks to the efficiency boost from Maxwell. And we're only getting 12Gbps GDDR6 on launch according to the leak, which is then slowest spec they announced. So the functional units should be pretty telling of final performance (even if they could get more core clock, it would be bandwidth-limited).
     
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    Most important thing: does it have TPU?
    If not then (n)(n)(n)(n)(n)(n)(n)(n)
     
  6. polonyc2

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    isn't this how it always works?...1080 same as 980Ti...etc...
     
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  7. defaultluser

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    Well, the 16nm process jump got people's hopes up, after the 1080 was almost 30% faster than the 980 Ti

    But you and I know better :D
     
  8. vegeta535

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    I didn't expect it to be more then 10% faster then a 1080ti. The 1180ti going to be about 30% faster then the 1180.
     
  9. Darkswordz

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    Only fools buy the xx80 variant of Nvidia cards anyways, so this won't affect anyone on [H] forums.



    ;)
     
  10. harmattan

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    I don't know... I had a 1080 at launch and it was top dog for 6 months, then I traded up for a marginal loss. It was really just that the 1080 ti was able to put me over 50 fps in most games at 4k. Otherwise, I'd probably still be using it.
     
  11. Brackle

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    Glad I just bought another EVGA 1080. Looks like this will be a good step-up :)
     
  12. Porter_

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    obviously depends on the games you play but i've had a really great experience with my 1070's. SLI has worked well in the games i play. i'll be looking to possibly upgrade to a single 1180 or 1180ti just because the upgrade bug is biting me.
     
  13. Brackle

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    Very true, it also depends on your resolution. I plan to make the move to 4k, which the 1080 GTX can struggle with. Also I will never go SLI/Crossfire again. Going 1 card is the way to go IMO, and the 1180 possibly looks like a good step-up.
     
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    I don't see it doing much better than a 1080ti if it only has 64 rops.
     
  15. MavericK

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    :(

    Yeah...given how quickly the Ti comes out for the same price, I likely won't be buying a non-Ti card again.
     
  16. defaultluser

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    If it releases at $700 like the GTX 1080 Founder's Edition, I'd be inclined to agree with you. That sucker dropped to $620 once third-party cards were available, then dropped to $520 once the 1080 Ti released.

    But the GTX 980 released at $550, and dropped only $50 when the Ti released. That was a much better value!

    Pricing on this minor process revision could be closer to the 980 than 1080, so maybe $600 for Founders? At that price it would be a lot more tempting.
     
  17. {NG}Fidel

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    Expect Intel Style performance bumps.
     
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    We don’t need 16GB of RAM. 10GB or 12GB is more than enough. Give us more cuda cores, and more raw speed with the ram cost savings.

    We never have memory issues with the 11GB on the 1080ti. Is there even any game that hits the 8 GB limit of the 1070 and 1080?

    I was, and am, expecting the 1170 to be roughly equivalent to the 1080ti based on previous generations. Anything less, after 2 years have passed since Pascal card launch, and I’ll say Nvidia is sandbagging.
     
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    The 16 GB is dictated more out of nesesity based on the width of the buss needed for the memory bandwidth required and sizes of the modules for GDR6.

    12 GB is still overkill even for 4K textures.
     
  20. Fuzzy_3D

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    Looking at the 1080Ti reviews, the last few gens have the old gen 80Ti series close to the new gen 70 series. 980Ti close to 1070, 780Ti close to 970.

    Imagine what the 1180Ti will be capable of if the 1170 is on par with the 1080Ti :eek:
     
  21. defaultluser

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    You're misremembering.

    GTX 780 < GTX 970 < GTX 780 Ti < GTX 980.

    It was tight between the four cards because Nvidia cut the 970 like no other card before.


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    The 1070 = 980 Ti because it had the benefit f a real die shrink, whereas the Maxwell bump was entirely due to efficiency improvements and slightly larger dies.

    WE may see a similarly-aggressive cut of the GTx 1170 as the GTX 970, but it won't magically make the parent card faster.
     
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  22. Fuzzy_3D

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    Fair enough. I arbitrarily picked Guru3D's Witcher 3 scores from their 1080Ti review, since they tested with those cards.
     
  23. Spoonie_G

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    Next gen miner cards are around the corner.
     
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  24. sirmonkey1985

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    hopefully, i'd like to buy a 1080 for cheap even though i don't really need it, lol.
     
  25. defaultluser

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    No you're right, in newer games the performance of the new architecture rose by about %5 as games became better optimized.

    On launch there was a noticeable gap between the 780 Ti and the 970, but not later.
     
  26. harmattan

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    Noted that as well, likely nV designing for cost. Exactly the same as the 1080.

    Speculation, but this may be a bottleneck for sure in some situations, especially at high AA (one of the reasons 1080 gets killed by 980 ti and 1080 ti with higher AA). Another reason to hold out for the real-deal ti card.

    Also, if I'm not mistaken, ROPs have little to do with mining hashrate, so nV isn't gaining anything there by adding ROPs.
     
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  27. Fuzzy_3D

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    :ROFLMAO: $3k voltas will be a steal when the crypto market jumps another order of magnitude or two...

    We'll have no choice but to start playing board games. Unless the miners find I way to mine on those too...
     
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    It was an aggressive cut because NVIDIA didn't want it so close to the 980 in terms of performance. 9-series Maxwell was also at the end of a 6 year run of 28nm across 3 microarchitectures, so I don't think the same will happen with the 11 series as it is already moving to 12nm from 16nm. It won't have the same transistor density limitations that Maxwell did compared to Kepler.
    Again, nothing has been announced. The placeholder information is based off of Titan V, a compute card where ROP count isn't as important, and Volta may not even be the architecture being used in the 11 series. Computex is in a few weeks and is the next event where an announcement could be made should NVIDIA not decide to hold an exclusive event for the 11 series.
     
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  29. Raendor

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    1080 gets kiled by 980ti? Stop smoking crap. :facepalm:
     
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  30. Digital Viper-X-

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    980ti is on par with a 1070, not a 1080. So what this guy said. :)
     
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    Agreed, 980 ti shouldn't have been included in that sentence. To qualify that, 980 ti does start to narrow the gap vs. 1080 when AA is cranked up -- that's likely due to the extra ROPs on the 980 ti.
     
  32. Digital Viper-X-

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    I Don't remember that being the case, do you have links to some reviews? the ones I've just looked up show the 1080 using more AA and maintaining higher fps :p
     
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    Err, no. That's some imaginary case that you're describing that doesn't have anything to do with reality. Even 1070 equals or beats 980ti at the same settings, no matter what they're.
     
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    As a owner of a 980ti and 1080 GTX. The 980ti could not come close to the performance of a 1080 GTX even with AA cranked up. Even when you max overclock each card the 980ti falls behind. Now not saying the 980ti is a crap card far from it. But the 1080 GTX was leaps and bounds ahead of it in performance all while having lower power usage.
     
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    The last two generations the Ti's came out a year after the x80's. Buying a card in an odd year doesn't make you any [H]arder than buying it in an odd one.

    The only fools are the people who have a last generation x80 Ti and then go out an buy an y80 non-Ti or vice versa for the modest gain it gives.

    At the current rate of GPU improvement, unless you've got money to burn it doesn't make sense to buy more frequently than every 2 or 3 years. Depending on your timing that means x80 to y80, to z80, or x80ti to x80ti to z80ti, or x80 to y80ti, to aa80.
     
  36. ssnyder28

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    wtf?
     
  37. Master_shake_

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    i have never seen anyone finish a sentence with they're.

    it looks weird.

    what this guy said though. the 980ti is beaten handily buy a 1080 and bested by a 1070.
     
  38. DPI

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    On what specific basis, or just talking out of your ass? Nvidia new GPU's have been far more power than "Intel style" bumps.
     
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  39. {NG}Fidel

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    It's me guessing, relax I'm not here making a blog post. I'm just saying Nvidia has been so greedy i wouldn't be surprised if they started milking consumers harder. Jesus fucking christ.
     
  40. Spoonie_G

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    Unless something happens soon, my 1070 is probably my last video card. I'll just game on that until I can't game on it anymore. PC graphics are priced out of the price range of the folks who they were designed for. I've never seen anything like this in my life. I was willing to spend up to $750 on a top-end card but that can't even get you into a 1070 these days. The same 1070 that I paid $439 for back in march of 2017 for, a water cooled unit no less.

    Which leads me to this. Graphic cards manufacturers are Beyond dumb. They are still making fancy looking RGB cards (custom PCB) as if gamers are still buying them. These are miner cards now and miners don't care about RGB. So they are basically wasting and losing money on equipping cards with features that the main users of the cards don't even care about. Graphic card makers somehow think that these cards are being sold mostly to gamers and are equipping them as such. Dummies.
     
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