1170 faster than 1080ti?

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Random image I found on the internet saying this :)
posted before I saw the other thread

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You believe everything you read on the internet?

The "Valid Result" picture on the top-right is a dead giveaway that this is an HTML edit that was screenshotted. 3DMark also won't recognize unreleased hardware, so it would say "Generic VGA Adapter" instead of 1170. The driver version also points to a WHQL driver that is already available (398.36). If there were support for the 1170 in the driver people would have found it in the .inf by now. Also notice how the "Driver Status" entry in the data box is mysteriously missing. The fact that they didn't edit "EVGA Corporation" out is also funny. 3DMark also also reports memory speed as QDR, so 2,552 * 8 = 20,416 MHz? GDDR6 speeds are reported to be 12-14 GT/s in the first run.

Here, I found another one:
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Link to actual result I edited the HTML for:
https://www.3dmark.com/fs/14373012
 
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I'm expecting around 2 GHz from NVIDIA. The big compute chip in the Titan V was 1.5.

All the Pascal+ gen chips can hit 2GHz, including the Titan V, on air. I have never seen an Nvidia card hit 2.5 on air. That's what I am referring to.
 

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Rumor Has It"
The email mentions at least four Turing models, and claims the following release dates:

  • Nvidia GeForce GTX 1180 (August 30th)

  • Nvidia GeForce GTX 1180+ (September 30th)

  • Nvidia GeForce GTX 1170 (September 30th)

  • Nvidia GeForce GTX 1160 (October 30th)
The release of this new line of graphics cards was delayed due to a glut in Series 10 cards, according to the email. Nvidia supposedly planned to first lower supplies of older cards before announcing and releasing its new product line.
 

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That email could be true I mean everyone will Jump on the 1st card for me it really depends on how good all the cards compare to previous gen. Everyone's eyeballs needs modern Ray Tracing though :p
 

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Not sure how well they will sell after the big release day, reason being is that most current generation cards are playing today games rather well. This will be a very interesting release when it occurs and what will happen. Due to the time length between Pascal and upcoming generation I would hope to see something close to what Pascal had over Maxwell. 1070 ~ Titan X (Maxwell), 1080 ~ 20%+ over 980Ti. Then the question becomes how much real game play will this make a difference for? For 4K gaming I would think that would be a huge win, everything below 4K probably not that much.
 

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Not sure how well they will sell after the big release day, reason being is that most current generation cards are playing today games rather well. This will be a very interesting release when it occurs and what will happen. Due to the time length between Pascal and upcoming generation I would hope to see something close to what Pascal had over Maxwell. 1070 ~ Titan X (Maxwell), 1080 ~ 20%+ over 980Ti. Then the question becomes how much real game play will this make a difference for? For 4K gaming I would think that would be a huge win, everything below 4K probably not that much.
I haven’t found anything yet that would make me need to upgrade from a single 1080ti at 3440x1440. But, new hardware gets me excited anyway! I expect your percentage gain estimates are about right.
 

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All the Pascal+ gen chips can hit 2GHz, including the Titan V, on air. I have never seen an Nvidia card hit 2.5 on air. That's what I am referring to.
Right, which is the result of a limit on the amount of power NVIDIA allows to go through the chip. Smaller node and different power profile will change that. The denser chip may prove problematic when it comes to cooling, so either way I believe 2.5 GHz is way out there being too optimistic.
 

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Even if this is fake, I wouldn't be surprised if the 1170 beats out the 1080. For it to beat out the 1080Ti would be fantastic though. Main question is the pricing. Does it retail for $499? Is it that much better than the 1070 Ti to make it worth the buy?
 

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Does it [1170] retail for $499?


1180 = $800 (or maybe the + will be since that's a thing now) - dropping to $700 after just a couple months. Will be 20-30% faster than 1080TI, so no way they'll sell it at the same MSRP as the 1080TI, which is still selling fairly well.

1170 = $650 - dropping to $550 after just a couple months. Will be on par with 1080TI, but will have Ray Tracing, lower power use, and be faster and more efficient at crypto mining.

That's my guess. Nvidia said pricing would go up this generation, and the market has already let it be known that it will support higher priced premium cards.
 
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That pricing doesn't make a lot of sense as you can buy a 1070 TI right now for just $500. What's the incentive to buy the new card at those price points?
 

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That pricing doesn't make a lot of sense as you can buy a 1070 TI right now for just $500. What's the incentive to buy the new card at those price points?
It's just more FUD being spread. Ever since Kepler people spread doom & gloom about how NVIDIA is going to increase prices to an unreasonable level.
 

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It's just more FUD being spread. Ever since Kepler people spread doom & gloom about how NVIDIA is going to increase prices to an unreasonable level.
Well the 1080 was released with that ridiculously fucking priced Founders Edition. And then the Titan went up to $1,300. And now the latest Titan is $3,000. Nvidia can certainly do some outrageous shit when it comes to prices.
 

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1180 = $800 (or maybe the + will be since that's a thing now) - dropping to $700 after just a couple months. Will be 20-30% faster than 1080TI, so no way they'll sell it at the same MSRP as the 1080TI, which is still selling fairly well.

1170 = $650 - dropping to $550 after just a couple months. Will be on par with 1080TI, but will have Ray Tracing, lower power use, and be faster and more efficient at crypto mining.

That's my guess. Nvidia said pricing would go up this generation, and the market has already let it be known that it will support higher priced premium cards.

It's just more FUD being spread. Ever since Kepler people spread doom & gloom about how NVIDIA is going to increase prices to an unreasonable level.

What’s your guess?
 

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Kyle knows something.

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lol, with Kyle setting straight GPP program, he may have many friends and informats in high places eagerly willing to share some future knowledge with him. :D Maybe a card or two as well ;). Virtually alone saved a number of AIBs from having to buy knee pads to suck up to Nvidia. Now it would be great seeing a review before NDA on secret card from someone that would never be named or implicated :cool:. Better yet, Nvidia just gives [H]ardOCP a card without the stupid current NDA with a handshake and call it a day, a handshake agreement would mean much more to me on Nvidia trustworthiness and respect [H]ardOCP deserves.
 
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Right, which is the result of a limit on the amount of power NVIDIA allows to go through the chip. Smaller node and different power profile will change that. The denser chip may prove problematic when it comes to cooling, so either way I believe 2.5 GHz is way out there being too optimistic.

Even the fastest, binned 1080 Tis like the HOF could only hit 2.2GHz with triple 8 pins on air or water. You had to put them on LN2 to go any faster. Power delivery is not the limiting factor with Pascal.
 

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Only rumor I believe is that price is going up. I am not expecting an epic performance jump Pascal had with full node shrink. its going to 12nm not 7nm. I think true performance jump we will see is at 7nm. Looks like Nvidia will just price these higher until they run out of pascal stock which might be plenty to go around and price these higher to keep selling pascal. Rumor has it they actually won't be replacing pascal. I think Nvidia will just charge more and leave the older gen as cheaper parts to make more money. Thanks to no competition I guess. I don't think AMD will be competing until 2020 in the GPU arena.
 
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"NVIDIA allows."

How is Nvidia stopping the clockspeed increase? Those cards are running on custom BIOSes and custom power delivery. Not to mention even if there was some sort of software limitation, that doesn't explain why the clockspeed can hit 3GHz once the temps are lowered with LN2.
 
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Rumor Has It"
The email mentions at least four Turing models, and claims the following release dates:

  • Nvidia GeForce GTX 1180 (August 30th)

  • Nvidia GeForce GTX 1180+ (September 30th)

  • Nvidia GeForce GTX 1170 (September 30th)

  • Nvidia GeForce GTX 1160 (October 30th)
The release of this new line of graphics cards was delayed due to a glut in Series 10 cards, according to the email. Nvidia supposedly planned to first lower supplies of older cards before announcing and releasing its new product line.

Another Rumour Junk email I get this crap all the time.
 

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So the 1180, how much faster will it be than the 1080 Ti? Is the 1170 worth waiting for, will it compete with the 1080 Ti in speed but how much will it sell for?
 

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So the 1180, how much faster will it be than the 1080 Ti? Is the 1170 worth waiting for, will it compete with the 1080 Ti in speed but how much will it sell for?

You are asking questions that no one has an answer to. Must wait until reviews are out.
 

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True. But I'm really considering just getting a GTX 1080 now rather than waiting for the 1170/1180. A lot of people are selling their 1080's now because they are gonna upgrade. Not sure if this is a good idea or not!
 

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True. But I'm really considering just getting a GTX 1080 now rather than waiting for the 1170/1180. A lot of people are selling their 1080's now because they are gonna upgrade. Not sure if this is a good idea or not!

Wait till next month and I think 1080s will be even cheaper.
 

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Only rumor I believe is that price is going up. I am not expecting an epic performance jump Pascal had with full node shrink. its going to 12nm not 7nm. I think true performance jump we will see is at 7nm. Looks like Nvidia will just price these higher until they run out of pascal stock which might be plenty to go around and price these higher to keep selling pascal. Rumor has it they actually won't be replacing pascal. I think Nvidia will just charge more and leave the older gen as cheaper parts to make more money. Thanks to no competition I guess. I don't think AMD will be competing until 2020 in the GPU arena.
I agree, there are a couple areas AMD needs to improve in its graphics cards before it can seriously compete with nvidia. Like making better freesync, or a card to compete with the 1080ti (and soon the Series 11)
 

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So the 1180, how much faster will it be than the 1080 Ti? Is the 1170 worth waiting for, will it compete with the 1080 Ti in speed but how much will it sell for?

Last generation a 1070 was equivalent to the previous generation flagship, a 980ti.

A 1080 was ~25% faster than a 1070.

And a 1080ti was ~35% faster than a 1080.

I think using this as your meter stick will ballpark your expectations. I do expect prices to be higher on the 11xx cards than they were on the 10 series. Nvidia has told us they will be, and they know the current market will accept it.
 
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Wait till next month and I think 1080s will be even cheaper.

I couldn't help it. I pulled the trigger on an EVGA 1080 Hybrid for $380 from ebay. I think it will be a really good upgrade in performance for my 1440p monitor.

I really like the fact that it has an AIO built in water cooling solution so it will cool my card much better than air based cards with very little fuss.

If the 1180/1170 is as expensive as expected and gets sold out early, I might be out of luck.

I'm also guessing the 1170 is only a slight step up from 1080 or maybe just matches the 1080 Ti but will probably cost $600+ if it does manage to match the 1080 Ti.

I can't even guess what the 1180 will cost. I'm going to guess $750 if it blows away the 1080 Ti, ie beats it by 30% or more. Maybe it is $699 if it only beats it by 20% but that would definitely be out of my price range. Again this is all guess work on my part.
 

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From what i know.

the 2080 will be 6% faster than the 1080ti at 170watts

the 2080ti will be around 30-40% faster than the 1080ti at 250watts, but also around $1200

any sort of mining though titan V is still faster.

But don't take my word for, lets wait for the real numbers. Though this is a good source.
 
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From what i know.

the 2080 will be 6% faster than the 1080ti at 170watts

the 2080ti will be around 30-40% faster than the 1080ti at 250watts, but also around $1200

any sort of mining though titan V is still faster.

But don't take my word for, lets wait for the real numbers. Though this is a good source.


That seems reasonable given it's not a full node shrink. Likely more cuda cores giving performance bump as I don't think they will get crazy core speed going to 12nm.
 

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I couldn't help it. I pulled the trigger on an EVGA 1080 Hybrid for $380 from ebay. I think it will be a really good upgrade in performance for my 1440p monitor.

I really like the fact that it has an AIO built in water cooling solution so it will cool my card much better than air based cards with very little fuss.

If the 1180/1170 is as expensive as expected and gets sold out early, I might be out of luck.

I'm also guessing the 1170 is only a slight step up from 1080 or maybe just matches the 1080 Ti but will probably cost $600+ if it does manage to match the 1080 Ti.

I can't even guess what the 1180 will cost. I'm going to guess $750 if it blows away the 1080 Ti, ie beats it by 30% or more. Maybe it is $699 if it only beats it by 20% but that would definitely be out of my price range. Again this is all guess work on my part.

I don't believe this about 1170 being faster than 1080ti. We are not getting a full node shrink.1180 will likely be little faster while 1170 will be little faster than 1080. Partial shrinks have always worked like that.
 

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That seems reasonable given it's not a full node shrink. Likely more cuda cores giving performance bump as I don't think they will get crazy core speed going to 12nm.

In my opinion these super cheap 1080tis that we are seeing dumped on eBay are where it’s at since the 2080/1180 will be around. $800

That 6% gain and 80watt difference doesn’t make up for the ~250 difference in price (yes it’s used and probably mined with, not that I have any problem with that)
 

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From what i know.

the 2080 will be 6% faster than the 1080ti at 170watts

the 2080ti will be around 30-40% faster than the 1080ti at 250watts, but also around $1200

any sort of mining though titan V is still faster.

But don't take my word for, lets wait for the real numbers. Though this is a good source.
I think the source of that information is between your two rear pockets...
 

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I agree, there are a couple areas AMD needs to improve in its graphics cards before it can seriously compete with nvidia. Like making better freesync, or a card to compete with the 1080ti (and soon the Series 11)
How about Nvidia supporting FreeSync (VESA Adaptive Sync)? That would be a big surprise and take away a good reason to go AMD. Nvidia probably can make more money selling more cards, supporting an open standard then they make on GSync. That is if they can make enough cards while the next big mining boom wave happens.
 

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Nvidia could probably support Freesync quite easily. But their goal is to take away marketshare which is why they insist on the proprietary Gsync standard which requires Nvidia licensed hardware module and makes Gsync monitors significantly more expensive.

At this point it's probably more about pride and trying to steal market share than offering an affordable solution to their customers for the vsync issue.
 
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