1080p vs 720p mkv? quality vs size tradeoff?

yowen

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Personally, I dont worry about any of this, I get the dvd, the blu ray, the streaming content, the downloadable content, when I'm done I return or delete it. I hardly ever rewatch anything. Don't see the point of the opening scene causes me to do a full flashback of the movie and I know exactly what I am going to watch, so it's a waste of time in MOST cases.

Some movies are complex enough that I enjoy rewatching them to pick up on underlying information you might miss the first time.

But mostly I don't feel the need to rip/save/store movies.
 

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Because I think it is dumb, and that's all that matters to me. If you don't like me insulting it, either ignore me, report me, or both. I'm not going to act like some happy yuppie to suit everyone else.
So you throw a pouty fit to show your opinion... right.
Moving on.

1080p video is great, the only downside is the extreme file size, but then again, if those who have the storage capacity want to use it, I say go for it.
Personally I store my movies at 720p and SD, due to limited space on my server.
 
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Trepidati0n

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Nope, dumb. I don't need to respect anyone else's opinion, and I don't need to hide the fact that I don't. This is what makes the world go around.
Pulling that mantra in the real world won't go very far; it won't make the world go "around". In all reality, your world will stop going arond because nobody will want to be near you, much less give you a job. You don't need to like everyone's oppion, but you should at least respect if it has at least some reasonable logic behind it.
 

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The logic is: I'm my own person, I can have my own thoughts, and I can be as much of a "prick" about my opinions as I want to be. I'm not throwing any fit. It's all your negative reactions to my comments that are the true hissy fits.
 

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The logic is: I'm my own person, I can have my own thoughts, and I can be as much of a "prick" about my opinions as I want to be. I'm not throwing any fit. It's all your negative reactions to my comments that are the true hissy fits.
Woooaahhh, watch out we got a badass over here! :rolleyes:

These internet tough guys are all over the place...if you wouldn't talk to a stranger in person like you are talking now then it's pure bullshit.
 

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The logic is: I'm my own person, I can have my own thoughts, and I can be as much of a "prick" about my opinions as I want to be. I'm not throwing any fit. It's all your negative reactions to my comments that are the true hissy fits.
Our negative reactions? :rolleyes:
No one is keeping you here and forcing you to waste our time.

I do talk to people like that in person, tough guy.
I would love for you to meet the [H] Jawbreaker, you would only talk like that to him once. ;)

Thank you, this forum and thread totally needed that. :cool:


Seriously, you don't have to act like an asshole if other people don't agree with you.
Your logic is severely flawed, and why do you care that others store movie extras, especially if they have the storage space for it.

Reading through your past threads, you do the same thing, starting fights and arguments over crap that no one even brought up until you did.
Pretty lame, take a chill pill.
 
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grimster

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Yes, you're the ones seeming so annoyed/offended that someone could ever disagree with your opinions or find them stupid. The world is quickly turning yuppie, and yuppies can't handle any negativity or honesty, whatsoever. Ya just can't tell it like it is anymore without someone going all emo on ya and start calling ya made up internet names. That last part was such a laugh at logic.
 

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Telling it like it is (at least your version) and being a prick about it can be separate you know. Talk about calling names...yuppies? :p
 

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Yes, you're the ones seeming so annoyed/offended that someone could ever disagree with your opinions or find them stupid. The world is quickly turning yuppie, and yuppies can't handle any negativity or honesty, whatsoever. Ya just can't tell it like it is anymore without someone going all emo on ya and start calling ya made up internet names. That last part was such a laugh at logic.
You have every right to disagree, but your reasons for disagreeing are not logical, and thus we are calling you on it.

So it's bad that we don't agree with you, but it's ok that you disagree with us?


Yes that was pretty a funny part about logic, haha, considering you have none. :rolleyes:
 

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this thread is being hijacked.

OP, rip to each one and check.

A lot of people are saying it's a waste to buy high def stuff and downconvert but I disagree. 720p is still high def, and the difference from 480p to 720p is very big, however, the difference to from 720p to 1080p isn't as noticable (for me anyways). And since you can't exactly buy 720p movies and most tv's are 1080p anyways, i would completely understand if you ripped most of your stuff to 720p to save some space.
 

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What other word is there to describe a sheep who just follows social trendiness? There seems to be no distinction anymore between telling it like it is and being a prick when someone receives a negative opinion from someone telling it like it is (or telling a person what's on their mind).

Hmm, so simply not liking something is now not logical? Interesting. I'll have to put my head up my butt and start blindly acting like everyone else around me. I simply state my opinion about how stupid I think something is, and everyone jumps down my throat. So yeah, I'm illogical I guess. As I said before, there is a way to ignore users. I'm not going anywhere, and even if I am kicked out, I have instant access to make new domains, and I can just call my ISP and get my IP address changed if you want to go that far.
 

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What other word is there to describe a sheep who just follows social trendiness? There seems to be no distinction anymore between telling it like it is and being a prick when someone receives a negative opinion from someone telling it like it is (or telling a person what's on their mind).

Hmm, so simply not liking something is now not logical? Interesting. I'll have to put my head up my butt and start blindly acting like everyone else around me. I simply state my opinion about how stupid I think something is, and everyone jumps down my throat. So yeah, I'm illogical I guess. As I said before, there is a way to ignore users. I'm not going anywhere, and even if I am kicked out, I have instant access to make new domains, and I can just call my ISP and get my IP address changed if you want to go that far.
You have some serious mental problems. :(
 

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If you say so. I'm not the one getting all bent out of shape by someone having a non-mainstream/non-yuppie opinion. In fact, I'm sane, and pretty much anyone who can't handle reality is actually insane.

Ohhhh, you edited out the "mental problems"! I was looking forward to an insult more like that.
 

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this thread is being hijacked.

OP, rip to each one and check.

A lot of people are saying it's a waste to buy high def stuff and downconvert but I disagree. 720p is still high def, and the difference from 480p to 720p is very big, however, the difference to from 720p to 1080p isn't as noticable (for me anyways). And since you can't exactly buy 720p movies and most tv's are 1080p anyways, i would completely understand if you ripped most of your stuff to 720p to save some space.
I said that myself....however, in my case it is just an opinion that decides what I do...I have zero problems with others doing as they please....for whatever reason. different strokes, folks.
 

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I'm not the one getting all bent out of shape by someone having a non-mainstream/non-yuppie opinion.
Different strokes. You all seem to be hypocrites about that one...
That's why you are calling us names and insulting us. Right.
Moving on!
 

grimster

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Who did I call names? If you're referring to yuppies, it's just what some people simply are. Just like human is a name for what people are. Defend the fact that you're not a yuppie and I'll take it back.
 

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Sticks and stones. ;)

Oh, and now you're banned, good riddance.
 
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grimster

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I guess you're a yuppie then. Enjoy smelling your own farts and being smug about it.
 

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You guys can debate, even argue the facts all you want. But, when it turns personal or folks are being trolled to provoke a reaction, folks will be infracted or banned as required to make the point. That is completely in your control.
 

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What I do:

TV Shows: Compressed to 720p @ 4000Kbit Video (~2GB per hour), 256 AC3 Audio
"Standard" Low action Movies: Compressed to 720p @ 9000 Kbit (~4GB per hour), 448 AC3 Audio
Movies with lots of action/special effects: Compressd to 1080p @ 16000 Kbit (~7 GB Hour), Original Audio

Saves space and still looks very very good.
 

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Bit-rate affects the video quality far more than the resolution does. At least between 1080p and 720p. Obviously going way below 720p in terms of resolution will look bad no matter the bit-rate.

Example, a 2 hour BluRay encoded at 720p and 1080p both 8GB in size with handbrake looks identical as far as I can tell on my 136" 1080p projector from about 15ft. The original BluRay source at 35GB looks a bit better though but it's not night and day difference IMO.

Personally I'd rather go for number of movies over having a perfect quality rip of less. My ~1000 collection of 720p rips take up about 4TB right now. It would be much, much larger to store them all at 1080p at a bit-rate increase where you would start to see any real differences. Probably double the size.
Same question to you. What do you use to rip and then encode?

Personally I've had issues with handbrake as it usually can't pass on a dts stream to the encoded video.
 

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What I do:

TV Shows: Compressed to 720p @ 4000Kbit Video (~2GB per hour), 256 AC3 Audio
"Standard" Low action Movies: Compressed to 720p @ 9000 Kbit (~4GB per hour), 448 AC3 Audio
Movies with lots of action/special effects: Compressd to 1080p @ 16000 Kbit (~7 GB Hour), Original Audio

Saves space and still looks very very good.
I basically agree with this, there is a certain amount of variation as to what a given type of programming requires to be acceptable, and this will vary based on all the things discussed above, screen size, distance, personal preference, etc.

That said. if I am really concerned about the quality of a movie that I'm going to dedicate a couple of hours to watching, and I want to have quality without compromise for that particular movie, I personally don't consider it too much trouble to spend a minute or 2 getting out the BluRay and just watching it off the disc.
 

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my $0.02: a good quality 720p rip is perfectly fine for most situations. sure 1080p may be better sometimes, but most of the time it is just a bigger file that taxes the computer more to decode/move/copy/whatever. most PS3 (4gb) compatible 1080p rips are ok, though quite obviously not as good as a larger 720p rip, as a decent 40"+ 1080p monitor/tv will show. all in all, i've got about 700 movies on my server with most being 720p and a few favorites being 10gb+ 1080p versions.
 

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best quotes from earlier in the thread that sum up my opinion/recommendation:
My rules are this:

1) If it is my most favorite movie that I will watch often, encode to 1080p w/ full audio
2) If it is something I don't watch often 720p w/ full audio
3) If it is something I rarely watch or not an action film, 720p w/ 2 channel audio
4) All TV is encoded down to 720p and 2 channel audio
I would take a 720p GOOD rip over a 1080p high compression rip any day. The compression artifacts bother me a lot more than resoution fuzziness / upscaling does.
A lot of people are saying it's a waste to buy high def stuff and downconvert but I disagree. 720p is still high def, and the difference from 480p to 720p is very big, however, the difference to from 720p to 1080p isn't as noticable (for me anyways). And since you can't exactly buy 720p movies and most tv's are 1080p anyways, i would completely understand if you ripped most of your stuff to 720p to save some space.
 

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my $0.02: a good quality 720p rip is perfectly fine for most situations. sure 1080p may be better sometimes, but most of the time it is just a bigger file that taxes the computer more to decode/move/copy/whatever. most PS3 (4gb) compatible 1080p rips are ok, though quite obviously not as good as a larger 720p rip, as a decent 40"+ 1080p monitor/tv will show. all in all, i've got about 700 movies on my server with most being 720p and a few favorites being 10gb+ 1080p versions.

Resolution is only one part of the mix. Your color quality, macro blocking, sound quality is going to be awful on a 4gb "hd" movie.

Might even be better to watch a dvd9 movie really. Granted i don't do my watching on a Sansui, but man you are going to need 11 beers not to notice the substantial quality difference in a blu-ray and your 4gb file.
 

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I tried many MKV 1080/720 but I would say BD9 rips provide the best quality vs size tradeoff. One week ago I heard about BD9 rips and when I finaly watched few I was totally amazed. Compression artifacts wasn't so apparent and sharpnes finaly looked PERFECT, more like photo. I could see small details just popping on from every textures, no MKV ever impressed me that much.

Guys, I thought that MKV and BD9 use the same picture stream, only different containers? But I clearly see that picture quality is so much improved on BD9, even compression noise isnt so apparent!!!!. I dont know, maybe it has something to do with resolution and scaling, I looked at resolutions and all of my BD9 are 1080p, even 2.35:1. On the other hand 2.35:1 format "1080p" mkv was always 1920x800, so 800p not 1080p. Maybe BD9 use anamorphic format ? I also quessing that my graphic card 680GTX have build in some hardware support (maybe processing engine for m2ts structure?) but even my BR player showed improved picture ( sharpness and clarity ).
 

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I tried many MKV 1080/720 but I would say BD9 rips provide the best quality vs size tradeoff. One week ago I heard about BD9 rips and when I finaly watched few I was totally amazed. Compression artifacts wasn't so apparent and sharpnes finaly looked PERFECT, more like photo. I could see small details just popping on from every textures, no MKV ever impressed me that much.

Guys, I thought that MKV and BD9 use the same picture stream, only different containers? But I clearly see that picture quality is so much improved on BD9, even compression noise isnt so apparent!!!!. I dont know, maybe it has something to do with resolution and scaling, I looked at resolutions and all of my BD9 are 1080p, even 2.35:1. On the other hand 2.35:1 format "1080p" mkv was always 1920x800, so 800p not 1080p. Maybe BD9 use anamorphic format ? I also quessing that my graphic card 680GTX have build in some hardware support (maybe processing engine for m2ts structure?) but even my BR player showed improved picture ( sharpness and clarity ).
They count the black bars at the top and bottom too, which makes the television as a whole 1080p. The fact that a movie is considered 1080p only means it'll fill up a 1080p television from side to side without stretching it, not necessarily top to bottom or the entire screen.
 

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Nice necro bump.
it is forbidden to comment older threads ? I didnt wanted to make a new one just for my post.

They count the black bars at the top and bottom too, which makes the television as a whole 1080p. The fact that a movie is considered 1080p only means it'll fill up a 1080p television from side to side without stretching it, not necessarily top to bottom or the entire screen.
Well Azhar, probably you right, but I thought that maybe BR movies also use anamorphic format like most DVD 16/9 enchanced films. On DVD discs even 2.35:1 presented films use all resolution lines (720x576 pal or 720x480 ntsc)
 
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