Wi-Fi 'Allergies': Is Electromagnetic Hypersensitivity Real?

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How many of you believe that electromagnetic hypersensitivity is really causing people to get sick? How many of you think that it is all in your head?

"People who say they have EHS are clearly ill," said Dr. James Rubin, a senior lecturer in psychology at King's College London, who has researched EHS and was the author of that review. "But the science suggests that it isn't [electromagnetic signaling] that is causing the illness," Rubin told Live Science in an email.
 
I guess....

There is some precedence of unshielded high voltage cables affecting people (paranoia usually I think) so I could see this being barely plausible. As in such a small percentage of people to be 0 essentially.
 
My wife's friend has "this" among other things like "the moon" makers her parasites act up.

I call complete BS.

Stick them in a room with an MRI machine without them knowing and see if they feel sick.
 
It is called the nocebo effect.

That much of it is very real
 
If it was real, you would be in trouble 24/7 and it woukd be just wifi
 
I used to work on fairly powerful microwave equipment (+40dB, or 10W) that operated in the 6GHz band right above the 5.8GHz unlicensed spectrum. I could tell when the transmitter was on without looking due to a slight tingling and small headache I would get when it was. But I was standing fairly close to the transmitter and waveguide, so the signals I "felt" were going to be much stronger than normal. Surprisingly, it only occurred for that frequency band, even thou we had other units that operated in 10, 11, 15, and 23GHz bands.

Anyway, I could see some people being sensitive, but I'll be honest, a normal microwave oven (which operates at 2.4GHz BTW) should probably cause more of a reaction than WiFi, which is at much much lower power levels.
 
This is really fucking easy to A/B test, where are the studies showing people are getting sicker when exposed to EM?
 
MY wife has some extreme difficulties to live with daily, including sporadic hemiplegia, chronic pain, immunodeficiency, random episodes of passing out, etc.

She was in and out of highly qualified specialists for the better part of a decade to find out what was wrong with her. Most doctors were only interested in throwing pills at the symptoms, others used the classic line "it could be worse" and shrugged it off, some blamed her and told her to see a psychiatrist to solve her problems. I know first-hand what it feels like to dismiss your issues and downplay your very real problems. So hopefully that lends me some credit when I say than anyone claiming they have a 'reaction' to electromagnetic radiation are entirely misguided and misinformed. Its a placebo effect that they have vague associations with.
 
The studies are very early, it takes years to assemble a body of evidence to show direct causality. It's absolutely possible and most of the evidence indicates that it is also incredibly rare.

It may reach the point of gluten. Everybody and their monkey claims they have some sort of celiac disease. It's trendy, and those people are oblivious to how serious the actual disease is.
 
The studies are very early, it takes years to assemble a body of evidence to show direct causality. It's absolutely possible and most of the evidence indicates that it is also incredibly rare.

It may reach the point of gluten. Everybody and their monkey claims they have some sort of celiac disease. It's trendy, and those people are oblivious to how serious the actual disease is.

I love me some gluten! But I do see a bit of a difference in my digestive health when I pull back on it. The same can be said about fast food, sugars, cigarettes... I would hardly consider my experience an 'allergy'. Really the big trend with 'gluten free' is more of a 'I'm being healthy' thing than a 'I'm deathly allergic' thing. and people claiming that they ARE allergic should really check themselves. Nobody is going to blame you for trying to be a bit more healthy. People WILL blame you for posing to have a terribly life-altering condition.
 
It may reach the point of gluten. Everybody and their monkey claims they have some sort of celiac disease. It's trendy, and those people are oblivious to how serious the actual disease is.

I had terrible stomach pains and loss of appetite for months, thought I had an ulcer or something so I went to the doctor. He tried telling me I had Celiacs and they were gonna run tests. I decided that I wasn't going to change my diet because giving up pasta, bread, and beer might as well be a death sentence. Two weeks later I quit my job and my stomach problems vanished, not so much as heartburn. So just like wifi sensitivity, im sure theres someone out there this effects, but most of em are likely doomsday preppers with thick tin foil hats on.
 
The studies are very early, it takes years to assemble a body of evidence to show direct causality. It's absolutely possible and most of the evidence indicates that it is also incredibly rare.

It may reach the point of gluten. Everybody and their monkey claims they have some sort of celiac disease. It's trendy, and those people are oblivious to how serious the actual disease is.

Celiac disease is no joke. My wife was diagnosed with it a few years ago and had to have a colonoscopy just to be positive it was actually celiac. Every once and a while she'll get "glutened" and wind up in the bathroom all night either puking or shitting her brains out.
 
That being said, it drives me nuts when people avoid gluten because "it makes me feel so much better, more alert, more energy, blah blah blah". The good news is that so many people are cutting gluten from their diet that restaurants and grocery stores are starting to give people with Celiac a lot more food options.
 
Lol. I bet little Johnny was just fine when in the back seat of their Prius on the interstate, when I blow by them while keyed on a 250w modified uniden CB radio.

People meed to quit raising pussies
 
The studies are very early, it takes years to assemble a body of evidence to show direct causality. It's absolutely possible and most of the evidence indicates that it is also incredibly rare.

It may reach the point of gluten. Everybody and their monkey claims they have some sort of celiac disease. It's trendy, and those people are oblivious to how serious the actual disease is.

I always thought I was sensitive to gluten, turns out I'm not but...

I have a laundry list of things I actually am allergic to. Totally sucks, but I'm feeling better these days, though slightly depressed all the time since I can't eat or drink what I want anymore.
 
I suppose it's plausible that some people are sensitive to this, but I think it would take some scientifically sound tests to rule out it being "in the head" and my guess is that most of the time it probably is. They'll have some other health issue, either chronic or temporary and just blame it on the EMI. Like someone who gets lot of migraines might start to think it's all the wifi.

So have these people participate in an experiment/testing where they have to do stuff to simulate what they normally do every day, but in a Faraday cage. It would be setup so it looks like say, an office environment or something. Ensure there are wireless devices visible with blinking lights, but that they are actually not transmitting. Have them perform basic tasks and at certain intervals also say if they feel the effects of EMI. At some point "turn off" the devices around them, but actually start turning a transmitter on/off. Basically "trick" them, to see if it's really all in their head or if perhaps they really do feel when the stuff is on.

Wifi is very similar frequency as a microwave oven, and those cook food, so technically all these waves could very well be slightly heating up the water in our bodies. Mind you, we're talking fractions of watts, but perhaps some people are simply more sensitive to it where it actually does affect them.
 
Electromagnetic Hypersensitivity.

Basically, if someone tells you there's electromagnetism in the area, you get all hyper-sensitive and bitchy about how it's doing bad things to you.
 
I suppose it's plausible that some people are sensitive to this, but I think it would take some scientifically sound tests to rule out it being "in the head" and my guess is that most of the time it probably is. They'll have some other health issue, either chronic or temporary and just blame it on the EMI. Like someone who gets lot of migraines might start to think it's all the wifi.

So have these people participate in an experiment/testing where they have to do stuff to simulate what they normally do every day, but in a Faraday cage. It would be setup so it looks like say, an office environment or something. Ensure there are wireless devices visible with blinking lights, but that they are actually not transmitting. Have them perform basic tasks and at certain intervals also say if they feel the effects of EMI. At some point "turn off" the devices around them, but actually start turning a transmitter on/off. Basically "trick" them, to see if it's really all in their head or if perhaps they really do feel when the stuff is on.

Wifi is very similar frequency as a microwave oven, and those cook food, so technically all these waves could very well be slightly heating up the water in our bodies. Mind you, we're talking fractions of watts, but perhaps some people are simply more sensitive to it where it actually does affect them.


Thing is, it "isn't in their head". They're experiencing real physical symptoms....but their symptoms stem from the belief that something is painful, regardless of whether it is or isn't.

See this helpful video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2hO4_UEe-4
 
This has already been debunked as hypochondriacs ages ago, repeated double blind tests, and there has been a lot of them have proven that this "Illness" is one entirely made up in their head

Truth is you are bombarded which much stronger/higher EM bands all the time, a low power WIFI signal isn't going to do shit to you given the strength of cell phone towers/radio waves/background radiation around you
 
It's bollocks, pure un-adulterated bollocks. That's not to suggest that the people with problems don't actually have symptoms, they're simply psychosomatic.
 
My wife's friend has "this" among other things like "the moon" makers her parasites act up.

I call complete BS.

Stick them in a room with an MRI machine without them knowing and see if they feel sick.

lol tell your wife to get a friend that isn't a mental head case :)
 
That being said, it drives me nuts when people avoid gluten because "it makes me feel so much better, more alert, more energy, blah blah blah". The good news is that so many people are cutting gluten from their diet that restaurants and grocery stores are starting to give people with Celiac a lot more food options.

When my wife eats wheat, she gets a headache. No gut issues, no energy issues, just an annoying headache. But... only American wheat. We travel to Canada, or elsewhere... no headache. It's not the gluten, it's how it's grown, stored, processed - something in there is causing the headaches. It's quite odd as she loves bread... mmmm... bread. I've done blind tests making pancakes even :(
 
I love how it's just Wi-Fi and not radio, satellite signals, TV, Cell Phones, WiMax and everything else that is literally everywhere and totally unavoidable. I can't believe anyone would be stupid enough to believe that this was a real thing, it's really unbelievable and then I remember that most people don't do any sort of research into anything before going off half-cocked and it makes more sense. Dammit, people can be immensely stupid and yes I'm including myself because everyone has done something without thinking it through first.
 
I used to work on fairly powerful microwave equipment (+40dB, or 10W) that operated in the 6GHz band right above the 5.8GHz unlicensed spectrum. I could tell when the transmitter was on without looking due to a slight tingling and small headache I would get when it was. But I was standing fairly close to the transmitter and waveguide, so the signals I "felt" were going to be much stronger than normal. Surprisingly, it only occurred for that frequency band, even thou we had other units that operated in 10, 11, 15, and 23GHz bands.

Anyway, I could see some people being sensitive, but I'll be honest, a normal microwave oven (which operates at 2.4GHz BTW) should probably cause more of a reaction than WiFi, which is at much much lower power levels.

I use to work on a 10Kw microwave radio and while I do not think the radiation from your 10w device did anything I do know that sometimes the HPAs of microwave devices have a high pitch hum. The sound might have been giving you a headache.
 
This has already been debunked as hypochondriacs ages ago, repeated double blind tests, and there has been a lot of them have proven that this "Illness" is one entirely made up in their head

Truth is you are bombarded which much stronger/higher EM bands all the time, a low power WIFI signal isn't going to do shit to you given the strength of cell phone towers/radio waves/background radiation around you

This.

Every test I've seen done on these "sensitive" people has been a complete fail.
Plug in a router in the next room, and they do no more than random guessing if it's on.
It IS all in their head, as they think they have a problem, so they do.

As other people have noted, there is so much other EM around that doesn't seem to bother them because they don't know about it.
 
Stick them in a room with an MRI machine without them knowing and see if they feel sick.

I'd let the person see the MRI machine but say that the magnet is off. Then see what happens after you tell the person that you just turned the magnet back on. :D
 
More offen then not most of it is in these people's heads. I remember a story some time ago a town complained a cell tower was causing them headaches etc. cause the RF waves. The owners agree'ed to turn the tower "off", to which people claimed they felt much better cause lack of RF waves from it. Sad part in all that, the tower was already off FOR last 6 months before hand yet they complained of RF waves from a tower that wasn't even admitting them.
 
I represent a company marketing hermetically* sealed Faraday cages. These cages block out all EM waves, including UV, WIFI, vis, IR, microwave and terahertz. Mounted on wheels, simply load your child or female friend into the cage, roll them to wherever they need to be and they can carry on with their life like a normal person!

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The major problem with this WI-FI sensitivity thing, is that it is BS. While there is a distinct" voltage difference between neurons, this is simply because of an ion difference. There is no "electricity" travelling along neural pathways in the sense of a copper wire. This is why that an EMP does not seriously OR normally affect a human being. Even the EMP from a nuke has a minimal effect, assuming we are not in the "incineration" zone.
 
My wife's friend has "this" among other things like "the moon" makers her parasites act up.

I call complete BS.

Stick them in a room with an MRI machine without them knowing and see if they feel sick.

Parasites? She's got bigger problems than low-grade EM radiation.
 
In regards to WIFI:

No, I do not believe it is actually the cause. There is so much energy floating around in the 2.4 and growing in the 5ghz band that wireless networks are an issue to get running. Either at speeds or distances that they are supposed to easily do. I live in an MDU and have an Aruba IAP 105 in my living room, just on the other side is my bedroom and there are times where it's a off despite getting full signal. There are 60 nearby APs it can see. Secondly there is a friend of mine that lives not too far from high-power transmission lines and WIFI in his place is just about impossible.

So far I've only seen people cite themselves as allergic to sources they see and know are there. There are those that have bought special paint and so on but I'd wager that they still have emitting devices in their house.
 
Celiac disease is no joke. My wife was diagnosed with it a few years ago and had to have a colonoscopy just to be positive it was actually celiac. Every once and a while she'll get "glutened" and wind up in the bathroom all night either puking or shitting her brains out.

I used to think it was just a trendy disease until a close friend was diagnosed with it. Scary what that does to your body. I do agree that avoiding gluten is probably better for digestive health in anyone, but hate when people say it's the same thing.
 
Parasites? She's got bigger problems than low-grade EM radiation.

My uncle claims this too. "there are parasites in my brain that the doctors have never seen before and cant cure". So he tries natural herbs and stuff to keep in controlled (i guess). My thought was maybe he should go get studied as if this were real, there would be a lot of interest in it. But I and the rest of the family just think hes nuts lol.
 
I am sure there are a few people on the planet that are sensitive to wifi type signals. How many of those live where wifi signals exists is the next question. I am equally sure that the number of folks claiming to be sensitive is much greater then the number of folks truly sensitive.

In one of the reports on the UK girl who committed suicide because of wifi induced pain, she was texting just before killing herself. Guess that she had made the decision that being connected was more important than avoiding the alleged cause of her pain.
 
Cellphones use
2G bands GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 - all versions
CDMA 800 / 850 / 1900 - USA
3G bands HSDPA 800 / 850 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 / 900 - EU (XT1572)
HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1700(AWS) / 1900 / 2100 - USA
4G bands LTE band 1(2100), 2(1900), 3(1800), 4(1700/2100), 5(850), 7(2600), 8(900), 12(700), 17(700), 20(800), 25(1900), 28(700), 29(700), 40(2300), 41(2500) - EU (XT1572)
LTE band 1(2100), 2(1900), 3(1800), 4(1700/2100), 5(850), 7(2600), 8(900), 12(700), 13(700), 17(700), 25(1900), 26(850), 41(2500) - USA

With the few exceptions the entire world is bathed in em waves if some one truely wished to get away from them they would need to live inside a Faraday cage.
 
Cellphones use
2G bands GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 - all versions
CDMA 800 / 850 / 1900 - USA
3G bands HSDPA 800 / 850 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 / 900 - EU (XT1572)
HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1700(AWS) / 1900 / 2100 - USA
4G bands LTE band 1(2100), 2(1900), 3(1800), 4(1700/2100), 5(850), 7(2600), 8(900), 12(700), 17(700), 20(800), 25(1900), 28(700), 29(700), 40(2300), 41(2500) - EU (XT1572)
LTE band 1(2100), 2(1900), 3(1800), 4(1700/2100), 5(850), 7(2600), 8(900), 12(700), 13(700), 17(700), 25(1900), 26(850), 41(2500) - USA

With the few exceptions the entire world is bathed in em waves if some one truely wished to get away from them they would need to live inside a Faraday cage.

Or live near a radio telescope which by nature of design have to be in the most EM-dead areas in the world, of which there are many all around the world. Of course having a condition where being around antennas fools your brain into creating symptoms (whether those antennas are on or off), living near some of the largest antennas in the world may not help. :D
 
Imagine if those people were to figure out there was something in the sky that's radiating broad spectrum EM at around 1400W/m^2.
 
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